Variety of 3.5L swaps?
03-09-2009, 01:20 PM
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Variety of 3.5L swaps?
is the 3.5L outta the RL the only type of 3.5L swap available for the CL?
or can the engines outta Honda trucks/minivans/SUVs be swapped in there too?
I was looking at the Pilot or Ridgeline 3.5L as a viable swap...I like how the torque is closer or a little higher than the HP rating.
Ridgeline = 247HP and 245lb/ft
Pilot = 244HP and 240 lb/ft
I mean the 2008 RL engine does look nice too with 296 HP and 256 lb/ft but Im not sure how many wrecked '08 RLs are out there and plus with the 'Honda' cars you can have the option for 'regular' gasoline if youre pockets get too tight, am i wrong?
or can the engines outta Honda trucks/minivans/SUVs be swapped in there too?
I was looking at the Pilot or Ridgeline 3.5L as a viable swap...I like how the torque is closer or a little higher than the HP rating.
Ridgeline = 247HP and 245lb/ft
Pilot = 244HP and 240 lb/ft
I mean the 2008 RL engine does look nice too with 296 HP and 256 lb/ft but Im not sure how many wrecked '08 RLs are out there and plus with the 'Honda' cars you can have the option for 'regular' gasoline if youre pockets get too tight, am i wrong?
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03-09-2009, 02:52 PM
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Why do people make a big deal outta premium vs regular? It costs less then $2 a tank more for premium. If you can't afford that, you shouldn't be driving.
03-09-2009, 03:07 PM
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Hes 19, complaining about the minimal price difference between 87 and 91/93 grade... do you really believe he has 2500 to spend on a 3.5 swap, never mind the fact it'd be wiser to just swap a manual and you're looking at 4k plus (Both 3.5 and Manual tranny) and that's if he can do it himself (which I'm certain he can't).
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Did you even try a search? This topic has been discussed for years. It isn't a motor swap. It's a stroker swap. You can use your J32A2 block with internals from other sections of the Honda parts bin.
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i dont know what this is relating to
Hes 19, complaining about the minimal price difference between 87 and 91/93 grade... do you really believe he has 2500 to spend on a 3.5 swap, never mind the fact it'd be wiser to just swap a manual and you're looking at 4k plus (Both 3.5 and Manual tranny) and that's if he can do it himself (which I'm certain he can't).
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03-09-2009, 05:24 PM
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Hes 19, complaining about the minimal price difference between 87 and 91/93 grade... do you really believe he has 2500 to spend on a 3.5 swap, never mind the fact it'd be wiser to just swap a manual and you're looking at 4k plus (Both 3.5 and Manual tranny) and that's if he can do it himself (which I'm certain he can't).
Man this board went to fucking shit.
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But he is right though, the search function has really gone to shit.
The accuracy/relevance is NOT like b4 .........
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03-09-2009, 06:15 PM
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I thought the CL FAQ said the swap was done with an 03 MDX.
03-09-2009, 06:21 PM
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Well I don't know why on earth you'd want to do that.
It's the internals people. You don't just swap the entire engine and in the CL magically make more horsepower than the exact same engine did in the Odyssey or MDX.
The major parts swapped are the crank shaft and rods. You typically retain your block, pistons, and heads. Of course there are things like bearings and other miscellaneous parts that also need changed to get the hybrid motor up and running.
It's the internals people. You don't just swap the entire engine and in the CL magically make more horsepower than the exact same engine did in the Odyssey or MDX.
The major parts swapped are the crank shaft and rods. You typically retain your block, pistons, and heads. Of course there are things like bearings and other miscellaneous parts that also need changed to get the hybrid motor up and running.
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Well see my thinking is that instead of having a skewed HP to Torque ratio like you find normally on Honda/Acuras I want a pretty even one like the engine ratings I described in my original post.
And also the point would be that my engine is about 135k miles old and wanted something a little bit younger
And also the point would be that my engine is about 135k miles old and wanted something a little bit younger
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Well see my thinking is that instead of having a skewed HP to Torque ratio like you find normally on Honda/Acuras I want a pretty even one like the engine ratings I described in my original post.
And also the point would be that my engine is about 135k miles old and wanted something a little bit younger
And also the point would be that my engine is about 135k miles old and wanted something a little bit younger
If you strip down your engine, and install in parts to create the 3.5L stroker motor it doesn't matter if your engine currently has 135k miles on it because you've just completely stripped it down and rebuilt it as new.
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Hes 19, complaining about the minimal price difference between 87 and 91/93 grade... do you really believe he has 2500 to spend on a 3.5 swap, never mind the fact it'd be wiser to just swap a manual and you're looking at 4k plus (Both 3.5 and Manual tranny) and that's if he can do it himself (which I'm certain he can't).
Man this board went to fucking shit.
Man this board went to fucking shit.
when you search some thing it gives you random threads
03-09-2009, 10:09 PM
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CL-SA just do a search> Go to advanced> limit it to the second gen CL section. I have a post with any kind of 3.5 upgrade you could EVER want.
Not really, he is just an OG and tired of seeing all the repost threads that have been covered at LEAST 20 times. I don't blame him, even tho I like CL-SA.
Not really, he is just an OG and tired of seeing all the repost threads that have been covered at LEAST 20 times. I don't blame him, even tho I like CL-SA.
03-09-2009, 10:14 PM
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Here, you will probably never find it:
Here are the swap options along with brief advantage(s)/disadvantage(s):
BLOCK/HEADS (incl. manifold (upper/lower), tb)
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J30A1/J30A1
advantage: no modification needed.
disadvantage: no torque until turbo/sc kicks in.
J30A1/J32A2
advantage: mid-range and top-end power
disadvantage: J30A1 pistons have to be modified to fit large J32A2 (intake) valves.
Not much torque until turbo/sc kicks in.
J32A2/J32A2
advantage: no modification needed, mid-range, top-end power.
disadvantage: torque is still ok but better than J30A1
J35A4/J30A1 (Odyssey '02-04/ '00-02 Accord V6)
advantage: no modifications needed, adequate torque, adequate mid-range
disadvantage:needed better cams, large intake valves for overal better powerband, top-end power
Option 1:
If budget is limited the solution is to swap J32A2 (CL-S/TL-S) cams into stock J30A1(Accord V6) cyl. heads (see sticky CL-S swap and Cam machining).
Option 2:
Get J32A2 (CL-S/TL-S) complete cyl. heads + IM (intake manifold)
But requires different pistons :p (see J35/J32 below) to clear J32A2 valves.
J35A3/J35A3 (Acura MDX '01-02), J35A4/J35A4 (Honda Odyssey '02-04)
advantage: no modifications needed, great torque, nice mid-range
disadvantage: little less air flow than J32A2 but very close.
This option looks like a good choice if getting the complete engine or even separate short block and cyl. heads/manifold due to a price. And MDX the cyl. heads are the same part # as CL-S, however intake valves and cams are different than CL-S but overall much better than pathetic AV6.
J35A1/J32A2 (Odyssey '01/CL-S '01-03)
advantage: great entire powerband and especially torque.
disadvantage: Need CL-S or RL pistons.
Note: Same options apply as listed below.
J35A3/J32A2 ('01-02 MDX/CL-S '01-03) or J35A4/J32A2 (Odyssey '02-04/CL-S '01-03)
advantage: great entire powerband and especially torque.
disadvantage: Need CL-S or RL pistons.
There are also couple options:
Option 1
With '01-02 complete MDX block or '02-04 Odyssey complete block (crank/rods/pistons) it is required to purchase 2005 Acura RL pistons (new set $50 each) This is a best option still since these pistons have clearance for large 36mm J32A2 (intake) valves thus no modification needed. Despite the fact they have higher 11.0:1 CR still even supercharger can be used here with low boost up to 7psi intercooled (assuming safe AFR). In addition, if 11:1 CR is too high for you, you can use '03 CL-S pistons with 10.5:1 CR.
Option 2
'01-03 J32A2 block (CL-S)
Required to purchase the following:
-= hondaautomotiveparts.com =-
'02-'04 Odyssey (crankshaft)
Product No. 368270 or
Honda part #13310-PGK-A00
'02-'04 Odyssey (connecting rod)
Product No. 368269 or
Honda part #13210-PGK-A00
Main bearings + rod bearings
-= acuraautomotiveparts.org =-
'03 CL-S (pistons) - 10.5:1 CR or
'05 RL (pistons) - 11.0:1 CR
pistons rings (per chosen model)
Note: Odyssey pistons do not have clearance to fit large 36mm J32A2 (intake) valves. Solution - custom job to increase valve pockets.
BTW, The only advantage to get J32A2 block is due to better cylinder sleeves to withstand heat designed for higher redline vehicle, otherwise depending on the price Odyssey or MDX block are the best bet.
Keep in mind, J35A5 '03-04 MDX will not fit on 6th gen. AV6/CL/TL/CL-S/TL-S due to different design, and looks like only for 7th gen. AV6.
Edit: The correct valve dimensions now stand as follows: incl. J30A4/J32A4
J30A1 '98-02 AV6: 34mm/29mm (intake/exhaust)
J30A4 '03+ AV6: 35mm/30mm
J32A1 '01-03' TL/CL: 34mm/30mm
J32A2 '01-03 TL-S/CL-S: 36mm/30mm
J32A4 '04+ TL: 35mm/30mm
J35A1 '99-01 Odyssey: 34mm/29mm
J35A4 '02-04 Odyssey: 35mm/30mm
BLOCK/HEADS (incl. manifold (upper/lower), tb)
------------------
J30A1/J30A1
advantage: no modification needed.
disadvantage: no torque until turbo/sc kicks in.
J30A1/J32A2
advantage: mid-range and top-end power
disadvantage: J30A1 pistons have to be modified to fit large J32A2 (intake) valves.
Not much torque until turbo/sc kicks in.
J32A2/J32A2
advantage: no modification needed, mid-range, top-end power.
disadvantage: torque is still ok but better than J30A1
J35A4/J30A1 (Odyssey '02-04/ '00-02 Accord V6)
advantage: no modifications needed, adequate torque, adequate mid-range
disadvantage:needed better cams, large intake valves for overal better powerband, top-end power
Option 1:
If budget is limited the solution is to swap J32A2 (CL-S/TL-S) cams into stock J30A1(Accord V6) cyl. heads (see sticky CL-S swap and Cam machining).
Option 2:
Get J32A2 (CL-S/TL-S) complete cyl. heads + IM (intake manifold)
But requires different pistons :p (see J35/J32 below) to clear J32A2 valves.
J35A3/J35A3 (Acura MDX '01-02), J35A4/J35A4 (Honda Odyssey '02-04)
advantage: no modifications needed, great torque, nice mid-range
disadvantage: little less air flow than J32A2 but very close.
This option looks like a good choice if getting the complete engine or even separate short block and cyl. heads/manifold due to a price. And MDX the cyl. heads are the same part # as CL-S, however intake valves and cams are different than CL-S but overall much better than pathetic AV6.
J35A1/J32A2 (Odyssey '01/CL-S '01-03)
advantage: great entire powerband and especially torque.
disadvantage: Need CL-S or RL pistons.
Note: Same options apply as listed below.
J35A3/J32A2 ('01-02 MDX/CL-S '01-03) or J35A4/J32A2 (Odyssey '02-04/CL-S '01-03)
advantage: great entire powerband and especially torque.
disadvantage: Need CL-S or RL pistons.
There are also couple options:
Option 1
With '01-02 complete MDX block or '02-04 Odyssey complete block (crank/rods/pistons) it is required to purchase 2005 Acura RL pistons (new set $50 each) This is a best option still since these pistons have clearance for large 36mm J32A2 (intake) valves thus no modification needed. Despite the fact they have higher 11.0:1 CR still even supercharger can be used here with low boost up to 7psi intercooled (assuming safe AFR). In addition, if 11:1 CR is too high for you, you can use '03 CL-S pistons with 10.5:1 CR.
Option 2
'01-03 J32A2 block (CL-S)
Required to purchase the following:
-= hondaautomotiveparts.com =-
'02-'04 Odyssey (crankshaft)
Product No. 368270 or
Honda part #13310-PGK-A00
'02-'04 Odyssey (connecting rod)
Product No. 368269 or
Honda part #13210-PGK-A00
Main bearings + rod bearings
-= acuraautomotiveparts.org =-
'03 CL-S (pistons) - 10.5:1 CR or
'05 RL (pistons) - 11.0:1 CR
pistons rings (per chosen model)
Note: Odyssey pistons do not have clearance to fit large 36mm J32A2 (intake) valves. Solution - custom job to increase valve pockets.
BTW, The only advantage to get J32A2 block is due to better cylinder sleeves to withstand heat designed for higher redline vehicle, otherwise depending on the price Odyssey or MDX block are the best bet.
Keep in mind, J35A5 '03-04 MDX will not fit on 6th gen. AV6/CL/TL/CL-S/TL-S due to different design, and looks like only for 7th gen. AV6.
Edit: The correct valve dimensions now stand as follows: incl. J30A4/J32A4
J30A1 '98-02 AV6: 34mm/29mm (intake/exhaust)
J30A4 '03+ AV6: 35mm/30mm
J32A1 '01-03' TL/CL: 34mm/30mm
J32A2 '01-03 TL-S/CL-S: 36mm/30mm
J32A4 '04+ TL: 35mm/30mm
J35A1 '99-01 Odyssey: 34mm/29mm
J35A4 '02-04 Odyssey: 35mm/30mm
03-10-2009, 05:34 AM
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so just out of curiosity, what HP will stroking your 3.2L to a 3.5L give on an otherwise stock setup?
03-10-2009, 08:56 AM
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03-10-2009, 11:14 AM
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Has nothing to do with being an OG. The very FIRST THREAD that is labeled "STICKY" *** Official 2nd Gen CL Information Thread ***has essentially 95% of any posts noobs will ask for.
And Douchebag?
WTF is a 2004 3.5 CL Type R? Yep... this board went to crap.
And Douchebag?
WTF is a 2004 3.5 CL Type R? Yep... this board went to crap.
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That's what happens when the cars are going for under $10K...
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So lets say you had a CL-S, and you wanted to do a 3.5L conversion (btw, im not doin it, just confirming the info). All thats needed for the 3.5 stroke are the follwing...
02'-04' Honda Odyssey Crankshaft
02'-04' Honda Odyssey Rods
02'-04' Honda Odyssey Main Bearings
02'-04' Honda Odyssey Rod Bearings
05'-08' Acura RL Pistons
05'-08' Acura RL Piston Rings
I looked up all of these parts, and if bought brand new they come to about $1100. And if you know what you are doing, this can be done on a 2nd Gen CL-S in a weekend. Now if these parts are all that are needed Im wondering why there aren't more 2nd Gen CL-S/TL-S's that have done this. I mean you can spend a grand on a set of Comptech Headers, or you can stroke your CL-S to 3.5L for the same amount of money. I mean I understand there are alot of people who wouldnt be able to do the work themselves and dont wanna spend the money paying a shop to do it, but I just think that for the money, and the results this could possibly be the best way to spend $1000 on our cars.
This is just my and I know other people will have their own opinion on it.
( and again, this is all assuming that the parts I listed are all thats needed)
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02'-04' Honda Odyssey Crankshaft
02'-04' Honda Odyssey Rods
02'-04' Honda Odyssey Main Bearings
02'-04' Honda Odyssey Rod Bearings
05'-08' Acura RL Pistons
05'-08' Acura RL Piston Rings
I looked up all of these parts, and if bought brand new they come to about $1100. And if you know what you are doing, this can be done on a 2nd Gen CL-S in a weekend. Now if these parts are all that are needed Im wondering why there aren't more 2nd Gen CL-S/TL-S's that have done this. I mean you can spend a grand on a set of Comptech Headers, or you can stroke your CL-S to 3.5L for the same amount of money. I mean I understand there are alot of people who wouldnt be able to do the work themselves and dont wanna spend the money paying a shop to do it, but I just think that for the money, and the results this could possibly be the best way to spend $1000 on our cars.
This is just my
and I know other people will have their own opinion on it. ( and again, this is all assuming that the parts I listed are all thats needed)
-Mark
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I know that the MDX block wont fit in the 2nd Gen CL because of size issues, but if you were to keep the J32A2 block would you be able to use the MDX Crankshaft and Rods instead of the Odyssey Crankshaft and Rods? Could the 03'-06' MDX Crankshaft and Rods be used? And if so what are the advantages over the Odessy ones?
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ok I apologize for posting a useless thread that has been discussed countless times.
I use to be able to search for stuff and find it very easily because of the relevancy percentage that would result from searching.
Maybe a mod should post a sticky thread about how to utilize the new searcg function better than just receiving crappy search results?
I use to be able to search for stuff and find it very easily because of the relevancy percentage that would result from searching.
Maybe a mod should post a sticky thread about how to utilize the new searcg function better than just receiving crappy search results?
03-11-2009, 11:36 AM
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re: Search problems.
First, when searching for multiple terms, they need to put inside quotation marks or the results will suck.
Also, limiting your search to a specific forum or subforum will also greatly improve the returned results.
Lastly, we have added a relevancy option in the 'Sort results by' drop down, selecting it should be the last thing users need to do to ensure they get the best results possible.
First, when searching for multiple terms, they need to put inside quotation marks or the results will suck.
Also, limiting your search to a specific forum or subforum will also greatly improve the returned results.
Lastly, we have added a relevancy option in the 'Sort results by' drop down, selecting it should be the last thing users need to do to ensure they get the best results possible.
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