The nice part is that Brad has this running on the TL-S which has the same ECU as the CL-S5AT. So the harness is the same for those platforms. I will be doing up a diagram for both the 6-Speed and 5AT. Heck, I might even make them available by having my technicians wire them up with the e-Manage harnesses already installed.

It is possible to remove the VSA throttle and control from the system. You just need to fool the ECU into thinking it is still there though with is also easy enough.

 

I would be interested in this, as my harness has been twisted, mangled, cut, grimped, cut again, and mangled some more. None of my connections are soldered, and at this point it's the weekest link. Once we change over to larger injectors, and remove the rising rate fpr, the eman becomes pretty important. Pulling it out because of wiring problems, and going back to the stock maps, is probably not going to work real well, so the harness becomes a critical part as we move forward. My harness is working fine right now, but all it might take is for my :-* to slam on the passanger side brake, and it could be done for.

 

We'll see how it turns out and go from there. Your worries were the same as mine...

 

That sounds great! remember I was one of those who offered to help with your costs associated with dyno tunning the e-manage so the rest of us could use it. I am quite capable of helping with funds on getting some of these prepared harnesses ready for fellow memebers, since you have been doing all the work! Good job.

 

who'd of guessed? Any advice on your launching methods? Do you just kinda "roll" the pedal into the throttle? This was your 13.8 I assume too? Great time BTW!

 

I brake torqued just a bit, and added maybe 1/3 throttle at the green light,...one big wheel hop, a bit of a bog, and off we went. I could not repeat it again with only one hop, but did have a few 13.9s also. It was my first time down the 1/4 mile, and I don't see going back, as it seams hard on the old daily driver. I don't like the wheel hop,...sooner or later something's going to break. If we can cure the hop, I might consider going back.

 

btw, for all that actually cares about what kind of gas milage to expect. I know the gas milage I've posted last time included several hard runs with Matt. So I thought I share with you guys my latest MPG stats.

Note: I filled up last week without topping it off, and I took notice the trip A number as soon as my gas light came on. I'm not exactly sure how many gallons before the light comes on. This is after driving exactly the same highway to streets ratio, including rush hour traffic.

I hit 267 miles. Before the chip, I average about 280. Not too bad at all.. about 10-15 miles per tank if you be nice...

 

that shows how shitty the track is

were u gate shifting or d5??

 

No pun intended

 

None taken...

 

I had it in d3 to hold it thru the traps, but I don't think I needed to.

 

u shoulda gate shifted

 

darrin invented the gate shift..................hehehe

 

Hey CLS2001_97124, anything new with the piggy back? I thought they were going to dyno the car again?

 

Yeah, Jack from UniChip emailed me, and we should be getting the new numbers in a few days, and he also have scheduled my car back in so we can try out the Vtec Controller and see if that makes any difference. I will post the new dyno as soon as I get it.

 

nice..

 

i need one

 

anyone heard anything new?

 

slow news is no news!!!

 

Hum, haven't heard back from Jack yet, I will give him a call when I return from CA.

BTW, my car pass DEQ with no problems.

 

hi

 

wow that was a useful post.

 

Give up on the Unichip, guys? I tried it about 1.5 years ago... we could never get it tuned right in Sonoma

 

I wouldn't give up as they have been in a moving situation. But there are (or rather unproven) alternatives.

 

well, we were able to get it tuned right in Portland.

but if everything goes like we hope it does with the e-manage, Brians' Unichip will be one of a kind.

 

Well that's good Matt....too much downtime for my car...couldn't handle it....

 

it was done on CLS_97124s' car. he left it with them for a week. luckily he had his s2000 to drive.


worked out good for him, he got a free chip for his trouble.

 

Hi everyone, sorry for the delay. I caught the recent flu, but I'm all better now. :o

Anyway, here is his latest response to me about the Vtec point, and raising the rev limit.
So it's you guy's call if we want to start any type of group buys in order to get the PnP harness, now that we have the e-manage as another option.

Steve, can you shed some light to people here who is not quite as technical on that exactly is involved if the N/A guys wants to use the E-manage rather the uni-chip? Any additional cost after buying everything that is needed? Tuning? Install?

Thanks!

Btw, I have the new dyno with torque curve, but it's in PDF, does someone here know what to post that? I can email it to you later today.

 

If you want, email me the PDF and I can put it up and maybe get the image of the plot out of it.

About the e-Manage, right now power gains are unknown but in theory they should be about the same. For a PnP harness; that is also in the works and should be available soon. Within the next month or so we should have a dyno plot available and the PnP harnesses ready (or at least the parts available).

As for the differences, I won't go into the technical aspects of how each does what it does although the fueling changes use the same methods; the timing is different. The main difference is that the e-Manage is programmable and the software readily available for an additional charge.

Also, you can purchase the e-Manage right now, along with all options (excluding the pressure sensor) for about $470. However, this would require hard wiring the unit and complete tuning. Hard wiring would call for tapping or splicing in about 28 conductors into the factory harness. This would be messy and difficult with the limited space not to mention you would not be able quickly remove the unit if needed. For tuning a dyno session with A/F monitoring should be used. This is normally about $100 per hour and expect at least three hours on the rollers.

As mentioned, I am working on getting a PnP harness ready for both the 5AT and 6-Speed. At the same time we will be tuning an NA car with the standard mods, I/H. What should be available are a few options. These are not absolute prices, they are just budgetary numbers until everything is known.

System with the e-Manage main, injection and ignition harnesses pre-wired to a plug and play harness. Without the support tool but with the unit configured and a program loaded for the specific application (NA or Boosted): $550

Same as above but with the Support Tool allowing for custom tuning: $670

Hope this helps....

 

Great. I guess, now it's up to the people here to decide if they want to get the UniChip w/ PnP harness up and going.

If not, the chip is still avilable for hardwire.

btw, can you pm me an address I can use to email you the pdf?

 

Scalbert - Thanks for the effort that you bring to this board.

Those prices sound very reasonable if the gains are decent. If you buy the system without the support tool, can you get the support tool later?

Thanks for the info and please keep us updated.

juice

 

Yes, it is independant of the main unit. So you could get it later or use someone else's laptop and cable.

 

PM sent...

In addition to what I stated, to hard wire the Unichip is much simpler than the e-Manage. There are significantly less number of wire splices and taps from what I have gathered so far. This would make self installation much easier with the Unichip without a PnP harness.

Just FYI...

 

Here is plot Brain emailed me:

Large Image

PDF Document

 

Nice gains. What is that between 5-10 lbs of torque throughout and 5-15 hp throughout at the wheels? I've been a way for a few weeks but it sounds as if the e-manage should be able to get the same gains. So are we just waiting for the final price of both w/ the PnP harness to see which way the N/A guys plan on going?

 

In terms of price at the corrolla forums i know their unichip is 650 with a PnP harness with a GB of about 40 people I believe. Hopefully, we can a deal like that.

 

Thanks Steve for hosting the dyno.

The price for the Uni-Chip is around $700-750. With or without the PnP harness. If we start a group buy it could be lower. They will make the harness basically if we can get 20 people to buy it. Otherwise people can buy the chip now from them directly doing the hardwire method.

 

Thanks CLS2001 and Scalbert!

 

finally, thaks alot for your trouble we have all been wating.

I see about 11 horses and about 8-9 torque

Am I reading it wrong?
so its the same gains as an intake?

 

well the gains are a little higher than that from my inspection, but more importantly they are throughout the entire power band not just in some areas... a cai doesnt do anything for low end torque, this does. also with more mods this could improve i assume...