darrinb

whats the eta all motor??

babyblue

how much of $$ are we looking at? plus who make them? The reason I was asking was after all that I have done, SC was next on my list. Saving up, but if the turbo kit is around 6K, how much more would it be for the tranny?

With the upgraded tranny will it be able handle the power? How much work would it be?

Thanks again for your valuable input

allmotor_2000

Probably by the end of June... if all goes well!

Ray Khan

looks good so far all-motor. So you are using 2 side mount IC's instead of an FMIC? I know twin turbos setups are tough to plumb to an FMIC, but it looks so cool. And with the low boost you are running, I don't think you will need a lot of cooling capacity anyway no?

BlueCLS6

It is a single turbo set-up... so we're running a FMIC . I think that will look pretty intimidating on a CL. The intercooler is a custom sized Garrett unit (that I've been waiting 3 months for) with the high-efficiency fin design to attain the lowest charge temperatures possible because of the high compression ratio.

SFLA_Type-S

You guys make me want to trade my 5AT for a 6MT

1killercls

OMFG! :wackit: That would be a trip to blow off an "Italian-type exotic" !!!!

NiteQwill

It is possible. It's been done on a few VWs in the community. You can have one of each run off each other. The question of engine space is the biggest concern.

allmotor_2000

On our motors, either a S/C or a Turbo would, by itself, be sufficient to maximize the engine's capabilities. Even if the motor was highly modified, the incremental gain would not be worth the effort.

One scenario that's interesting would be as follows:

Use a S/C with a electro-magnetic clutch-type pulley. Use the S/C to product power from idle to 4K RPMs. By this time the turbo will be spooled... use a throttle-plate to isolate the S/C charge (kind if like a flap which switches between the turbo and the S/C on the intake side)... disengage the S/C pulley and now you are all turbo! It would be inefficient to run both together... so the moment the turbo starts spooling, the S/C needs to be shut-off. This way you can have a HUGE turbo and not worry about lag. Most folks overcome this by using sequential turbos.

TypeS_boi

Very cool info but you need to quit teasing us 5AT w/ all this turbo talk!

Pure Adrenaline

iTrader: (2)

Sick. It makes me want to get a CL-S6. :bowdown:

By the way, how has upgrades for our 5AT? And will you be marketing/selling this turbo kit? If so, will there be a version for 5AT?

NiteQwill

I just don't think the tranny of a 5AT can handle that power, just too unsafe.

I believe he put a list together of all the parts needed to accomplish this task although he is not marketing it himself.

allmotor_2000

No 5AT for the time-being. The kit could be available on an individual basis... for SERIOUS folks!

JimmyTLS

http://www.velocityresources.com/
Velocity resources makes an upgraded 5AT with hig stall torque converter. I believe they reinforce the transmission with titanium pieces, not sure which pieces though. They can also add in an LSD. A lot of the members over at acur and a-tl have done this upgrade, but be warned it is expensive. But Velocity Resources ensures the tranny and guarantees it to handle up to 600hp!!...I think.

rezurex

600 hp. im guessing the only way to reach that high would be a wet shot...

or with the insanely big ass turbo that we see here in this thread. lol

shinobi

http://www.levelten.com/store/import...s/acura_cl.htm

anyone have this upgraded tranny on their CL/TL?

mantis23

^^^ There has been much talk about the quality of level ten products, or lack thereof. Most people steer clear away from their transmission upgrades.

sxsublime

id get one just for the blow off valve lol

BlueCLS6

Update... added another important part of the kit:

Greddy E-Manage. Installed, awaiting boost

*Special thanks to Scalbert for the sweet custom wiring harness!

Hobo

that looks intense, cant wait to see teh final product

scalbert

That looks great.

I assume it started up and ran just fine with the harness?

BTW, I can send my current program which may help to begin with. I know it will need some tweaking with the FPR settings you guys are running but it would be a start.

allmotor_2000

I loaded my program on BlueCLS6's and it runs fine - we can't tune that much right now as it serves no purpose! We have it set to allow minimal fuel correction by the ECU; essentially leaning out 3% to 5% under non-WOT conditions.

The install took a whole 5 minutes - thanks to you!

We spent most of the time measuring oil-lines for the turbo etc.

Crusher

Why not remove the A/C and mount an Eaton M62 w/ electric clutch there? Have it merge with the piping right before or after the intercooler (depending on your piping configuration) and have some sort of backflow preventing valve to take care of off-boost situations. Control the SC clutch with RPM switches for tachometers that can be ordered from summit racing. Incorporate some sort of manual overide for fuel economy or that extra little boost when needed. Just a thought.

SCTL-SS

I have the VR upgraded tranny. The rating on the tranny is more like 450 hp to maybe 500 not the 600-I don't beleive. My car now has the MAX(9bls) boost pulley and upon completed tuning it will probably be in the 375-385 hp range and after intercooler 400-415 range. I'm hoping to get it to the track for some time runs. If it holds up to the new output #s this might work with Allmotors turbo application- as long is doesn't go beyond 450-500hp??? All this is yet to be determined. I went ahead and had my previous clutches replaced which were kevlar pieces to the new carbon/graphite units. They are supposed to hold up to more power and heat- almost undestructable. I don't believe that my engine will produce what Allmotor's will put out but it may be within 50-100 hp of it and if all goes well we might just have a turbo tranny.

I'll keep you guys posted as to dyno #s and track results.

scalbert

I just emailed the program I am currently using. It can be used as a reference for under boost fuel enrichment.

scalbert

I assume you mean crank HP...

SCTL-SS

Yes, crank HP. Of course I wont know for sure until after the dyno.

allmotor_2000

Thanks, I'll take a look at it later on today.

allmotor_2000

The first thing to see if all the exhaust plumbing can be routed with that hunky 5AT tranny taking up all tha space!!

SCTL-SS

I guess the trannyv is a little greedy in the space department (and HP too).

BlueCLS6

Another pic. Not very exciting but here are the oil lines for the two cars:

Yes allmotor I finally had them made

allmotor_2000

Haha... unfortunateley this makes me want to remind you of something else we need completed!

Does that guy have a -10 AN cap? I want to put the oil-pan on sometime and just plug it. That will make installing the turbo a 1-hour job. You might want to do that as well... I am heading out this Sat... so bring that oil-pan along - I'll call you.

scalbert

I may have asked this before but where are you getting the oil supply from??

ferizzo

allmotor, scalbert, and bluecls6 are my heros! Although I hate them because I don't have their savvy or a CLS6!

allmotor_2000

Tee off the oil sending unit (rear of block near the oil-pump).

scalbert

And how long are those lines in the image??

allmotor_2000

They are each just shy of 4-ft each. Due to the turbo placement, the oil-lines are relatively longer than those in most 4-cyl applications. It's the same length as I had before, so I don't anticipate any problems.

BlueCLS6

Here is a pic of the intercooler parts. Not quite all put together yet but it's getting there. The core is 16" x 8" x 3.5"

allmotor_2000

Just finished installing the oil-pan and all the oil lines (turbo-ends are plugged-up of course!). I have to check for leaks today... I probably shouldn't have installed it this weekend as I have a long road-trip ahead (to SF area)... and if there was a leak, well I suppose it won't be too bad!

But I think I busted my oil sending unit... the oil light never comes on. I have to do the continuity check recommended in the service manual...

SFLA_Type-S

How much longer until the finished product is ready? I can't wait to see it. Hopefully you will post some pics and vids