azn style 2005

i have a 2001 CL type s and i was wondering if there are any turbo kits available for my car. the only forced induction i have come across is the comptech supercharger. i would love to hear the sound of a turbo though instead. anyone know of any kits available for the CL?

Aquineas

I know this is totally off-topic to your post, but you don't by chance play Dark Age of Camelot, do you?

allmotor_2000

WAS available... and YES has been done with very good success (power, E.T's, reliability etc.)

azn style 2005

dont play dark age of camelot....sorry. why is the turbo kit no longer available? i really want to put in a turbo into my CL.

SilverKnight

Put one in and kiss the tranny good bye. I dont think the slush box could handle 345whp and approx. 300lb/ft (umm .. what was the exact number).

allmotor_2000

It's no longer available because I sold it. The person I sold it to was thinking of making a 'kit' out of it with me, but due to ZERO interest on this board... it probably won't happen. You can PM me for detailed info. on the kit including pictures etc.

It made 345whp and 312ft-lbs of torque at 5.5psi

I am RobG

in all fairness, nobody wants to pay 5grand for a turbo kit. i know i dont.

Ray Khan

haha...make it sound like 5 grand is expensive for a COMPLETE turbo kit.....just because kits for miatas and civics are cheap doens't mean they will be for CL's.

There is a lot of work into making a good kit. A lot of time in custom fab amd making eveything fit. A single turbo on a V6 isn't so easy. I'm not saying $5000 is a steal, but a very fair price for a kit made by one person and with numbers that blows the competitions $5000 kit out of the water. If there was interest in over 100 kits, I'm sure the price could come down. This is assuming there are resources to make this many.

Take a look at what Dinan and Active Autowerks charge for BMW kits, what All the Audi and VW tuners charge for their kits. They aren't cheap. Higher end cars have more computer controlled systems that have to be tinkered with to make the car remain driveable when changing and adding hardware.

Aquineas

Hmm... For a good turbo kit, I have to say from my experience owning other cars, 4-6K is about the average. Sure you can buy a single turbo for much less than that, but for a complete kit, I don't think that 5G is out of the range of similar kits for other vehicles. I forget how much the Greddy kit is for the 350z, but Turbo Magazine is quoting under 6K:

http://www.turbomagazine.com/features/0307tur_350z/

Motor Trend got 12.79@106.53 in the 1/4 with it (crossing fingers this becomes available on the Altima).

Bulldog01

You tell 'em, Ray. That said, I'm a broke-ass motherf*cker, so I surely won't be laying out that kinda dough for the opportunity to utterly annihilate my transmission. Although, it would be fun to make a couple passes at the track...traction, of course, being a major issue with which to contend.

You get the skirts on yet?

Ray Khan

thanks for the support Pete....skirts go on this weekend...have to get the clutch in soon too so I can get back to the track and try to get into the helmet club. I wouldn't mess with FI in your car since it's an auto and with the way you go through tranny's with the power you have now. Your car is fast and sounds damn good as is.

I think we are heading into Cambridge for dinner friday night, but I was going to stop by for a drink before we go in. I think we are having a late dinner anyway. Would Friday night be a good night to come by? I doubt Fred will make it since he will be at home waiting for some friends to shop up from NYC.

allmotor_2000

Yup... this kit got 12.9x @ 111.87mph. So, you can tell it makes more power than the Z... but its FWD and I was only DR's with a so-so 60-foot. The car was running 109+ mph consistently and this was at 1000' altitude.

It's possible to make the 'kit' for a tad over $4K, but it has to be in quantity. The biggest difference between a Civic and a V6 is the manifold - the Civic manifold is just a 4:1 collector to which you mount the turbo onto and then you have downpipe going to the exhaust. On a V6, you have to make both collectors route to a central place and fabricate a mount for the turbo and then more piping to route it back to the exhaust - its not easy! Also, some of the less expensive kits (< $3K) don't use intercoolers, external wastegate's etc. This kit is very upgradable without added cost (assuming you build the motor and handle the fuel/timing issues).

ferizzo

If I had a six speed I would definitely consider a custom turbo for 4-5k! unfortunately I have the autotragic and no funds!

I am RobG

if i didn't have misfiring in 4 of my 6 cylinders i might consider it

Bulldog01

Yeah, I go through transmissions a bit, don't I.

Yeah, come on by Friday...I'll be bartending.

dbox

i'd drop 5k to turbo my cl. if i had 8 or 9 trannys laying around.

azn style 2005

well the comptech supercharger isn't too much less than how much a turbo would cost. i really am interested in doing a turbo kit for my CL. i have not had any problems with my auto tranny. i am almost at 50,000 miles of which a good amount is track time. any tranny upgrades i can do? changing to the six speed is too much labor.

juniorbean

iTrader: (5)

Well, as the others said, if you want a turbo you'd be custom building one yourself as none exist. The only tranny upgrade we're aware of would be the Level10 upgrade, but I've heard mixed reviews of it. You'd also probably want to install the Comptech Tranny cooler regardless of it you did a S/C or Turbo.

Ray Khan

yes I know you will be there...but will she be there too?



the turbo setup is way too much torque for your tranny. I agree with the JB...look into a better torqe converter and tranny cooler. I've also heard mixed opinions about lever 10.

CLpower

why, that's a pretty good price for an extremely low volume turbo kit.

Bulldog01

I don't know if she'll be there Friday, but she'll be there Saturday, I believe.

I am RobG

lets put it together then....turbo-4-800$ depending on what you get....intercooler..2-300$...custom manifold/exhaust point to place the turbo id' say about a 1000$...piping 4-500 dollars...so 2500$ give or take....then you get the goodies, BOV, external/internal wastegate depending on what you get add another 300$...boost controller and turbo timer if you must..antoher 2-300...so all out its 3 grand give or take....where's is this 5 grand coming from, if i left something out just tell me

Ray Khan

I think most of your pricing is low. The turbo used was a T3/T4....so figure at least $800....that's for an oil sleeve bearing. Ball bearing will take you above $1000. An intercooler can be had for what you said, but with piping/labor, double the price. Custom manifolds, a good one might run more than $1000. I'm not sure about that one. A cheap electronic boost controller is $300. I wouldn't call a turbo timer a must have...but if you want one, $100. BOV's can get up there too...count on at least $250 for the low end. Then there are all the little hardware pieces...hoses, nuts and bolts, oil lines and fittings, gaskets and such. These things add up. Then figure in R&D time to develope the kit and some profit margin. I think the numbers add up fine.

allmotor_2000

Turbo - $700
Intercooler (Spearco) - $400 + END-TANKS ($100 welded) = $500
Wastegate - $250 - $350
Fuel Pump - $125
FPR - $300 + Fuel Piping ($150)
BOV etc. - $200
Manifold - $1200
Piping - $400

That's $3800 already. If you think I will sell it for <$4K, you have to be crazy... why on earth would I go to the trouble of building a kit and make $200! I never said the kit is $5K... more around $4K to $4.5K

There are other tid-bits like hoses, clamps, plumbing etc. which amount to another $100-$200.

On your list, you forgot the fuel-pump and fuel-pressure regulator and all the fuel piping (expensive stuff). Also, you need the oil-drain tube for the turbo, oil-fittings etc. Also, the oil-pan needs to be welded. On my kit, I included the oil-pan as well!!! That's $300 from the dealer.

allmotor_2000

Another thing... if this was easy and every joe schmo could make one for $3K, then this whole board would be turbocharged! Why is it that only one was ever made?!?

Ray Khan

Allmotor...how did you control boost...mbc or ebc? MBC"s are cheap, but if you were using an EBC...you forgot to add it into you price.

wuzzz619

Exactly

allmotor_2000

I used an MBC - its cheap... like $50 or something.

I am RobG

because not everyone is as mechanically inclined as you. Granted yes i'm mechanically inclined, as advanced as you or scalbert and other people on this board, no...but yes i am...and as for 3-4 grand i definitely dont have that lying around for a turbo kit. I'm just stating my opinion. I gave and still give you a shitload of credit for that kit. I'm sure that a few friends and i could make a kit also, but the time and money isn't there.

digitalgm

Geez.... whining about 5k for a turbo kit. I would absolutley jump at that kind of a price. For a supercharger kit for my car you are looking at around 14-15k That sucks and also the company that makes that supercharger is not very reputable. x 2 but they do make one for the M5 and that guys car is fast as shit!

AdamR

Ray Khan

Allmotor...how is driveability with an MBC? I have heard some people complain about not getting good part throttle response. This is from the Audi/VW crowd. They said with MBC's they can't get part throttle part boost and it hurts their driveability. I know we are taking about completely different cars and your system was pretty low boost compared to what the smaller engine guy are pushing. So I suspenct that might be one big difference in how driveability issues vary. small engine with bog boost vs big engine with lots of engine power and small boost

I'll probably be there either way for a beer or 2 before I meet these other chumps like Ferrizo. Hopefully she will be there as I can't make it saturday.

scalbert

Also remember that the J32A2 is running 10.5:1 CR which significantly helps with the low speed response regardless of the boost controller.