does anyone know if the make a turbo kit for the cl type s 6-speed

 

do a search and you will find your answer.. and its yes

 

Actually it's no...allmotor never truly made a "kit"...but since they have connections, and one of them works for garrett, they put what they have together...not even sure that the pipes have been duplicated yet...but all you really need are the pipes and you can make your own...their garrett GT35 is a bit too expensive IMO...

BUt, like kevin said, do a search...you will find everything you need to know about turbocharging your CL

 

Actually the sort of do make "kits". All-motor made a set-up for mtnbkr, and his auto CL-S. You just have to contact him.

And the Garrett was specifically matched to this application. Just look at how much more power he is putting down with this turbo set-up compared to old with the same boost. Not knocking your knowledge, but I would trust BlueCLS6 and All-motors research first.

 

custom manifold from Allmotor (he's the CLS God)

 

Your absolutely right...In fact his research is what a lot of my research came from...and the GT35R is the perfect match for our application, but, that doesn't mean there are not other turbo's out there that have very close specs to the GT35...For instance, my turbo is a T3/T4 50/70...it is a very good turbo for the 3.2...I paid 345 shipped with a one year warranty...Now if I could afford 1400 for the very best, then I would. But why, when I can get pretty good for less than a 1/4 of that...Even though I wouldn't mind having the dual ball bearing...I won't argue this too much further, though, until I have my dyno sheet to show some actual numbers, so we shall see.

 

ok so how do i find this person who is the cl god? and what do i search for?

 

This setup can be made as a kit... just that I don't like to do a half-ass job hence the setup is expensive. The reason its not marketed as a kit is because I don't have 5-10 people buying it!

Yes, you can use a lower-cost turbo with similar characteristics and that is your choice. Keep in mind that NOBODY in a J32A2 has come even close to 419whp at < 6.5 psi of boost. In fact nobody else has even hit 400whp with even 9-10 psi of boost (intercooled or not). I have > 20K miles on this kit and it still runs strong. It is a little overkill for the boost I run but it has not given me any trouble. I am working on the water injection setup to further increase boost and I think 450+ whp is on the horizon at < 8.5 psi of boost.

BlueCLS6 did a great job in matching this turbo for the J32A2... it spools early and does not run out of juice at redline. A similar spec. turbo that is not ball-bearing will NOT spool as fast nobody what you do (aside from spraying NOS to get this going!).

Here's a list of what the kit is composed of:

Garrett GT35R ball-bearing turbo
Garrett high-effciency (high-density fin structure) IC
* The turbo/IC combo can flow upto 600hp on the J32A2
Garrett/Tial BOV
Garrett/Tial 38mm wastegate
E-Manage with plug-n-play harness
Full Stainless-steel manifold with 3" downpipe
* The manifold mates to the Comptech (or any other) exhaust 3:1 manifold
Stainless-steel turbo mount onto tranny
Mild-steel or stainless or aluminum intake piping (2.5")
Walbro fuel pump
Comptech FPR (okay for upto 6psi... beyond that you need the second injector and a lower rise-rate spring)
Earl's oil/fuel lines
Heatshield products protecting everything that gets hot

Other goodies that people usually get:

Secondary RC 750cc injector including holder and lines
Exhaust cutout (QTEC or DMH)
Electric guages (boost, fuel-pressure... whatever)
Wideband O2 with display (TechEdge, AEM... whomever)

Kit is generally fabricated and installed on the car itself... so there won't be any fitment issues. This kit has been made for the auto CLS and the 6spd; although the 6-speed is much easier because it has more space and does not require any cutting.

Some differences between general 'kits' and this setup:

i. Weld construction is superior (trust me on this...)
ii. Turbo is solidly mounted to the tranny... no stress on manifold like most other kits
iii. Fuel/ignition systems are modified and programmed for boost
iv. I've done 4 kits already so experience counts

 

whoah waoh waoh waoh WHOAH!!!! Did you just say 4? there is you, blue, and the turbo'd auto, and who else? Or are you counting your first turbo setup?

 

My first kit... now with Titand19 (not sure if he still has it) but that doesn't count!

My current kit
Blue's car
Mtbkr's car
<mystery> kit in the works!

 

I should have seen that coming. I guess we'll just have to wait and see eh?

 

 

lol, that was the first thing that came to mind steve. don't be spendin all your cash on your car now, ya hear? :P

 

 

Yeah...like I said in my earlier post I can't say much until I get some dyno numbers...but we also have to look at the fact that I have a TL and an AUTOMATIC...gonna rob twice the power...so, If I can get over 300whp at ~6psi then wouldn't you say this turbo is a pretty good choice.

On another not, though, I will have to wait until I put those kind of miles to see how it holds up...I do have my turbo braced by the tranny also...

Brian at GRAND MUFFLERS of GA in marietta did an amazing job with my kit...each pipe is specific for the amount of flow going through it...for example he has 2.25inch at the headers which will suffice for the three cylinders flowing through it...then they y into 2.75 up to the turbo...the downpipe is also 2.75 which was the biggest we could go without running into the scraping problem...they are flanged for easy install, and you can disconnect the downpipe from the rest of the exhaust system for race day

 

^which turbo are you using?

 

If you don't mind my petulant inquiry, how much did Grand Muffler charge you to do all the piping, and did you find a manifold, or did you have them make one for you?

Do yous guys think that a T3/T4 .57/60 would be too small for the J32A2?

 

I believe he's using the Xs power T3/T4 "O" trim .50 compressor and .70 turbine turbo I think or something like that.

 

T3/T4 is too small for the J32. Can't flow enough in the upper rpms. It'll spool quick but it'll start to fall on it's face up top.

 

Oh, okay. Thanks, Senior Steve. Reason I asked, I have one laying around from when I had my Accord, before I totalled it, I had aquired all the parts to make it an F22b1-T. But then I that went to hell, so I still have this pretty little turbo laying around. Oh well. Time to sell and get something bigger.

So what would be something of nice size. Something affordable. I don't think I can afford the GT35R.

 

I believe even precision turbo might have one similar but I'm sure its not as good as the GT35R which looking at the numbers and specs are better for the J32A. If the price tag for the GT35r is out of your range you may want to check out precision turbos. Just a thought.

 

The fact that you have the same-size inlet pipe (from manifold to the turbo) and same-size down-pipe indicates that GRAND MUFFLERS is not that experienced with turbocharging.

You need to increase the velocity of the exhaust going into the turbo while creating as little back-pressure as you can exiting the turbo. There is a trade-off between high-pressure/high-EGT. Hot exhaust travels faster. In any case the air-flow through the turbo is probably more critical with respect to back-pressure & EGT to ward off detonation.

Also keep in mind that SS retains heat better than mild-steel so hope you are using stainless-steel. You can fit a 3" downpipe without scraping.... just need to tuck it in there well!

 

Yeah...they said the same thing...they wanted to go as big as possible for the downpipe...but if you remember from my post about he first pipes that I made, the downpipe actually goes under the crossmember...they didn't want to risk scraping...They spent about 2 or 3 weeks testing different ideas...and, I am guessing at the pipe size after the Y because I haven't seen the pipes in nearly 2 months now...but I am pretty sure that is what they used...although 3" might fit, but it should be fine...I also tried to consider some of these guys are dropped a few inches meaning they have less clearance than me. Oh, and the pipes will be Stainless Steel.

As far as what Grand Muffler charged me, it was 1000 straight up...

 

$1,000 to get a few pipes bent and welded?

Either you got ripped off or I'm in the wrong business.

 

steve ur in the wrong business

 

but then you'll have to change your name

 

 

he wont be the only turbo cl with a misnomer

 

Like I said... there's an elegant way of doing this and a non-elegant way of doing it - its upto you. I would never run pipes under the cross-member! On my setups nothing hangs lower than the cross-member!

 

Yeah...wish I had the 6MT...a lot more room...Though I do know you made a kit for the Auto CL...did you run the pipes the same way as on your car?

But...even though they ran just the downpipe under the crossmember, it's tucked away nicely...I'm not going to say that it is elegant...but it's not NON-Elegant either...I was referred to Grand Muffler by quite a few people including scalbert, so they are definitely a reputable place...

And allmotor, I've always respected the quality you put into your setups...thats why you get the respect you do...Props

Oh, and Mr. Steve...I said the same thing to Grand Muffler...1000 just to bend some pipes?!?...but I shopped around...I was quoted as high as 2500 and 2 months of time...so you might want to look at switching jobs...lol

 

On the auto it was still done the same.... there is a slight notch on the cross-member to fit the 3" downpipe but it looks like stock. Nothing hangs below the cross-member.

 

Hmmm. I want one now. Would you be able to give a rough estimate on building a duplicate of your set up?

 

WHos?

All-motor has stated in the past that it will cost rougly 8k to replicate his set-up.

 

Allmotor...did you ever make a jig for either of your turbo pipe systems?

 

Nope...

 

Would it be possible to go with twin turbos? What would be a good choice for the smaller turbo if we could?

 

Ram,
I'm still here, just been busy, I'm moving out of the house and the process has taken me away from the board. Sorry guys

 

titan19 has allmotor's old twin turbo setup. so yes its possible

 

Don't know how much room would be available for that type of work.

 

I don't have twin?