Whats up guys...i wanted to ask whether or not anyone has added transistors to your CL.
My friend added them to his 528i, and dynoed at an extra 90 horses. I think it works with your fuel line, and other things...by the way, this is the most illegal mod you can get for a car. You can get your car impounded and a huuuuuuuge fine (in NYC anyway)... Just wanted to know if anyone has em...also on the old Cl. Ill try to ask my shop to customize one for me. I just wanted to know if there were any sideeffects...Thanks

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I've never heard of that. Does it modify the ignition system or something? That isn't illegal.

 

I think your firend is a liar and he is BS ing you. transitors add 90 HP. Why Acura did not do this 5 cents mod and save millions in R&D costs.

He is just BSing. Ask your friend, "show me a a dyno graph".

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I know he is not bsing me...i was with him when he intalled it. They totally recondifure the fuel lines, which is illegal in the united states, for obvious purposes. KABOOM!

I know 100% that he got 90 horses. Im just not sure if those were BMW only...it has like a box, with 5 metal pipes/or cables...going into the engine..its very complex stuff. So, I was just asking if you know of anone who has it on a cl. I dont need you telling me what my friend does and does not have. I know he has it, and I saw them getting installed, and I saw the DYNOs. Maybee bimmers take those mods a lot better...cause bimmers are much stronger than they actually are...like audis, they are severely detuned when they come here from germany. Whatever. Ill keep you guys posted. Ill go to my shop first thing tomorrow morning. And another thing..a lot of people on this post are very paranoid, sceptical, and defensive people. Why would someone waste theit time lying on this forum?
Take a chill

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I've heard of a device that attaches to the fuel line and aligns the fuel molecules. It's supposed to be more effecient and give you a little performance but I've never heard 90hp. Please post some pics and/or specs on this device. I doubt it is just a transistor. Do you know what a transistor is?

[This message has been edited by frederix (edited 04-21-2001).]

 

Hey, Nirv. Can we see some pics of your ride please. Im dying to see. Its like when we all were waiting for MCHTypeS's ride .

For all those who remember.

And whats a transistor?? im clueless

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me.

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he is full of SH*T.
the closest I have seen is the Swift Racing ECU+CAI (40 HP)...which should be arriving in 2 weeks. but there is only so much that you can do with fuel system remapping...

 

If a Bimmer had Turbo and he added a Chip or even a new ECU Box full of transitors maybe I woould believe this story. Bu I would like to know from where those 90 HP are comming from. A Turbo that costs 4,000 would add 90-100 HP, but a single Electronic modiification, I doubt it. Chiping a turbo application may be valid claim but not a stock NA engine.

More info, let us see a dyno graph.

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- 04/13/01: 235/40/18 NITTO 555 on 18x7.5, +45 offset, Koing Imagine in Silver with wheels locks

 

Transistor -- an electronic device. BJT - Bipolar Junction Transistor, etc.

This is a "mis-use" of the word.

Please come back with the "exact" name of the device -- I'm going back to reading the "Skeptical Inquirer" for now...



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Whatever...i wont argue with you people...cause i dont know 100% what it does in bimmers. Maybee M3sins knows. I know, he got 90 horses, i saw it with my own eyes. im gonna go to the shop tomorrow, and find out what it will do for our acura. Ill keep you posted. By the way...i dont think its as simple as fueline/electronic work. Or maybee it re-tunes the bimmer to the german specs. Just like an S4 chip gives a crazy amount of horse. Talk to you guys tomorrow, have a good weekend.

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I could see how someone could toss around some "expressions" and get some more power, but without the "right" nomenclature, there is nothing we can do with a possible good idea (yes/no)? I even looked around for alternative links to BMWs and transistors.

Your ideas are welcome (at least I welcome them). But, it is hard to use them, without some useful tips. Even the major magazines have been fooled by some of this stuff, so come back with a link or more info...


I could see how someone could say, "I messed with the transistors", to imply that they changed or "chipped" the CPU of the car's computer. There are some brands of cars and aftermarket companies for BMW, like Dinan (and others) that make replacement "chips" that will really help up the following:

1. Speed limit
2. Turn off speed limiter.
3. Put cars fuel-air, timing, and other parameters to Euro. spec. for more HP.

There are also Supercharged/Turbocharged cars with electronic or other "limiters" that can be modified to allow this "forced-Induction" engine to make a sh*t load more HP!



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this is great.. Transistor??? Hahaha

Transistors are used in amplifiers in your home/car sterio system. They are also used for circuit(brains) to activate simple things (such as your turn signal, Monitor for your CPU, etc...), now tell me something... what happens when you mix electricity with FUEL????? KABOOM...

What purpose would a switching device serve to your fuel system? Please tell me

 

I agree about the "mis-use", now I'm wondering about "giving him a break" with possible "miss-uses" of the terminology...

It you are talking about the idea of thermal runaway (in semiconductors) and fuel, yes -- Kaboom!



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Im sorry this is off topic but what would you need a power rear sunshade for if you have 0% tint. I didnt know they even made this dark a tint, you could have just spray painted your windows to match your car

"0% tint all around, Comptech exaust, custom installed Valentine 1, custom power rear sunshade"

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im sure by transistor he means a small shot of nitrous...transistors are totally for electronics

 

A 528i will get 90HP only with forced feeding. In NA form it will have to be tuned to turn to 11000 rpm to do that which is impossible to do with just electronic devices and all the transistors in the world.

But what surprised me the most is the way you implied that BMWs somehow react better to mods. And that they are "stronger". Why do you say that? As far as engine durability BMW is not at the top. And as far as overall car durability BMW is not at the top either. As far as engine technology BMW is not at the top either and as far as that specific engine in the 528i, it is nothing special. 2,8 liters and 193 HP is no big deal with the emissions and gas consumption numbers it results. The best thing about that engine is its vibration free characteristics which mainly come from its inline configuration.

The only BMW engine that deserves praise is the one in the new M3. Other than that the 2 engines utilizing the new technology called valvetronic are impressive but they are not imported here for now so not much to comment there for now.

Honda/Acura has nothing to be envious about as far as engines from BMW. Actually Honda was way ahead till lately. Once iVtech becomes more popular the gap will be even closer. That new V8 for the RL/NSX will shut a lot of mouths once out.

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[This message has been edited by gavriil (edited 04-22-2001).]

 

Gavrill:

Are you talking to Mr. Transistor meets Mr. Fuel?

I don't know what is going on here vis-a-vis this transistor in the fuel line stuff.

Let him come back with the goods, and go from there (yes/no)?



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Maybe this guy is confusing a "transistor" with a "solenoid". Sounds like his buddy put a 90 HP shot of nitrous on his car and ran it on the dyno. Nitrous systems use two solenoids, which are nothing more than electrically controlled switches/valves.


Makes sense to me since he mentioned that it had something to do with the fuel lines.

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dead CL-S and M3

 

Alright guys...let me clear somethings up...
The "transistors" he got, we NOT PART OF THE CAR. Now, he has 3 intakes on top of the stock one that came with the car. (the m5 intakes.)Second...as someone said, added something to the car (not a chip) that kicked the governor...we did 185 in the Meadowbrook Parkway in NYC. And he had 2 more gears left!!! He was only in forth. I know..you are all saying, 528i has only 5 gears. He had adaptive 6 speed put in. Im hoping to get a picture of this item...cause maybee they are not "transistors", but thats what the shop called em. I know they are made by bosch. Please stop asking me questions like im a BMW mechanic. I told you, after he got that thing put in(he had other mods done before it) it DYNOED at 90 extra horses. take my word for it. What purpose would I have to lie to you? I want to find out what I can do to the CL. All i am trying to do is help us smoke more cars.
So, well see soon.
As for the other question, I had the rear sunshade before my tints. And I made a mistake in the sig. I have 0% (darker than limotint) all around except the winshield...thats 20%. 0% on the windshield is askin for lots of problems. NYC, cops really dont care about the windows per say...but if your ass gets pulled over, hell give you a ticket in addition to what u got pulled over for. BUT GOD BLESS THE PBA CARD

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One more thing...just for some info...i know everyone is gonna call me a liar...but whatever...some will take it as truth...
He dynoed at 410 Horsepower. And get this.
NO TURBO!! NO SUPERCHARGER!!!NO NITROUS!!!
All air power...and other mods of the sort.
0-60 was clocked on an average of 3 runs 4.3 seconds. By the way, 5 of my friends have 2001 m5's, and this 2000 528i runs circles around them. Its lighter, handles better (also has m suspension) and just plain quicker. Ok, im done. Let the ripping begin.

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No offense Nirvana but until I see a dyno slip, I ain't buying it.

Unless this guy totally gutted his engine and had it rebuilt so that he could get another 90hp out of it there's no way he just fooled around with his ECU and got that much horsepower.

 

as an ex-New Yorker (strong island to be expect) i must ask were on the meadowbrook were you? i lived in NY for 18 years and maybe on the LIE, but 185 on the meadowbrook?



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...so maybe it was this final mod plus all the previuos mods put him 90 over stock ...sound like hotter bosch platinum quads spark plugs...oh ya is the 2001 m5 even available yet let alone 5 people that you know that has one???

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[This message has been edited by typeR (edited 04-22-2001).]

 

Nirvanaib
This guy is as full of it as your ten TVs in your dash. Lets see a dyno printout.
Unless... he took an Fbody engine and stuck in his BMW struck a turbo on it... maybe he will get 400hp. Untill them, he's full of it.

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I'm not sure how good the 2.8 is in the Bimmer but I've heard Ford Zetecs (stock 130hp) with new cams, pistons, heads, etc getting another 50-70hp. It's not really the same engine anymore but ... They run it at a higher compression and can get more hp out of it.

The thing is that the Zetec 4cyl has a ton of upside potential to it. Don't know abou the BMW 2.8 inline six though. It's all moot though as apparently this guy is using some sort of flux capacitor or something instead of new engine internals. =)

I wonder if it goes faster than 88mph?

Hehehe

 

hahahahahhahahahaahhehehehehehehehehehehhe He said transistor! hehehehehehehehehhahahahahahhahahahha I'm dying over here! Yeh I hear if you change the wires to the battery you will gain 100hp! hahahahahahahahheheheheheheh! I have a 98 M3 in the family and my brother almost fell off his chair! He said and I quote "hahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahhahahehehehehehehheh ehehehehehehehehehehahahhahahahahahhahahahahhahaha hahahhahahahahhahahahahahaahhahahahahahahhahhhhaha aaahahhahahhahahhehehehheehehe heheheh"
Peace

 

rwwlaw,

...Well, let's reserve our judgement and give Nirvanaib a chance to show us pictures and a detail list of the mods.

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Nirvanaib,

I live about 20 miles north of NYC, in the suburbs.
I'd love to see what kind of mods you are talking about.......
Plus, I'm a BMW owner and fanatic. Let's meet with your friends, okay?
Maybe you can get your 5 friends that own the M5 to show up too.....

Whadda ya say?

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dead CL-S and M3

[This message has been edited by Tom2 (edited 04-22-2001).]

 

For those who dont belive me, please, dont waste you enegry and dont post here. If you think I am lying and have nothing better to do, thenso be it. Like I said, when I have some free time, Ill me someone YOU pick out from NYC, and hell tell all of you wether or not im bullshittin all of you. Now...for people who belive me...
I was with my friends when he did all his work...first of all, he has about 45 grand of under the hood work...and yes, he is filthy rich. He has intakes, new tranny module, six speed tranny, headers, no governor, chips out the ass, mass air conversion kit...and engine plate, the "transistors", high flow filters...and more shit than I dont even know. ANyway, I gave up a long time ago, its hard to make people belive anything here. Like I gain something from this. By the way, I went to my shop, they told me that they can customize one of those thingys for me...and it would add about 30 horses. BUT!...he said my fuel economy would get slashed by half, increased wheel spin and a bunch of other shit that i dont want. Ill stick with my 300 horse toy for now. Have a good week.

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Did you ask them what it is or how it works?

 

Yeh! Me wants 90 hp from a mod that can not possibly work! Please it's obvious YOU know nothing about cars and should not make such claims!

 

Hehe...I know :-)



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Gabriel
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410 Hp I assume at the crank from 2,8 liters is 146HP per liter. For reference, the S2000 is making 120HP per liter stock and can go to 130HP per liter fairly easily.

From my simplistic math, the engine has to turn at 9761.9 rpm to make that kind of power in an NA configuration. That implies A TON of internal engine work which will be SUPER expensive. I am not saying it cannot be done but only by racing teams. Not so much because they have the momey but mainly because they have the know-how. An amature and his garage tech friend cannot accomplish that even if they have access to millions of $$.

If the 410HP is on the wheels (which something tells me that it might be the case)we are talking 475 HP (or so) at the crank and the math goes to 170HP per liter and 11,309 rpm to do. Even more unlikely.

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Gabriel
CL Type S

 

IS THIS NOT THE GUY THAT CLAIMED HE WAS OFFERED OVER $60k FOR HIS CAR? SAD, VERY SAD

 

410 hp from a normally aspirated 2.8L and no nitrous ??
You must be kidding. Why do you think BMW spends so much development time and money on the engines for the 540i and the M5 if they can extract 410 hp from the 2.8L engine ? Have some sense.

 

this kid is sitting at his terminal ( which is under a bridge, where all good trolls live ) having a blast reading our replies. ( when he isn't popping his zits ) I bet he is really driving moms old 92 Taurus.

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My car can easily run the 1/4 is 3.1 seconds too w/o any mods.

But I am having a hard time locating the 75 degree downhill incline...

why wouls a guy be a dumb A$$ and spend 45K on a 528, and add another 45k when he could have just ordered a Dinnan m5 for 85k. ...someone is FOS.

[This message has been edited by Gs400TRD (edited 04-24-2001).]

 

How about you show me photos of your 5 TV's, 10 speakers (where only 4 of them are custom installs) and your 11 tweeters, 3-5 amps and several 12" subs. I'd like some new ideas of where to stick my equipment in a CL and still have the room to sit and drive with anything other than a soda, of course the cup holders probably have speakers in them too right?
Do you only drive between 11:30 and 2:00 pm in Florida summers? Because with 0% tint all around and 25% tint on the windshield you may as well (and don't wear shades either).

I'd like to see some photos bro, that sounds like the HEAVIEST ride in town. Did you beef up the shocks to carry all that load?
Oh wait, it probably pulls 15.3's too huh?
Must be the complete Carbon fiber chassis and 1/2 pound 24 inch wheels right?
If you had all that in your car I'd smoke you with just two gears.

two can play at this game...

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Cleared bumpers
Clean trunk look
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Hmm..I remember when everybody doubted mchtypes. Everybody felt like an idiot when he proved them wrong. So why dont all of you keep your comments to yourself and shut the fuck up. I'm getting sick of people accusing other people of lying all the time.

Spiro

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I'm not saying he didn't, but I'm not saying he did. Just saying that for me to think of this for the I6 2.8L engine in the 528i (which was the same engine in my old '96 328is) to produce 410hp w/ no supercharger is a tad weird. Lets subtract 90hp from 410hp and you get 320hp w/o the 'transistor' item.

320hp from a 2.8L engine is almost impossible w/o any forced induction. I am not saying that there aren't crazy people out there who 'might' be able to achieve this, I just know that I'm not one of them (nor is Dinan).

I would love to be proved wrong on this and I know that Nirvanaib would love to prove us all wrong and shutup some of the loud mouths who claim to be 'the wisest of the wisest'.

Nirvanaib, the ball is in your court. Get a digi cam pic of your friend's 528i w/ the '4 intakes' and just that should prove that this isn't BS as most are thinking.

One thing I don't understand is, why didn't your friend go with the 540i or the M5 if he is 'filthy rich'? 528i is more for the upper middle class. If you say your friend is 'filthy rich', I would love to know his reasoning.

I have heard of a guy who put a E36 3.2L euro M3 engine (321 bhp) in his US spec 528i and also put the 6-speed tranny from the E36 euro M3. Now that I can understand when you want power to mess around with. That whole transplant for the engine cost him around $10k w/ the used engine. He stated that all the wiring 'plugged right in' and was pretty straight forward. Anyways, just would like to know your friend's reasoning for buying the 528i when he seems like hes capable of buying a 540i or an M5.

Again, I'm not saying he didn't, but I'm not saying he did.

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