Trading CL for a '02 Maxima
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Hey Maxmaniac here is a stock dyno pulling 198.8 hp: http://www.acura-cl.com/cgi-bin/ulti...c&f=1&t=003166
Also TypeS smokes all had a 207hp stock dyno but I cannot seem to find it right now. Comptech dynoed CL-S at 208hp stock.
[ 07-09-2001: Message edited by: e1828 ]
Also TypeS smokes all had a 207hp stock dyno but I cannot seem to find it right now. Comptech dynoed CL-S at 208hp stock.
[ 07-09-2001: Message edited by: e1828 ]
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So how many CL-Ses have you personally seen dynoed? I've never seen one personally, but I have this URL from comptech - they just MIGHT know what they're doing:
Comptech Dyno results
Also - try a search. I used "dyno wheel stock" and got quite a few hits. Most looked to be in the 198-202 (they say 208 was the peak) range - as Comptech suggests.
Comptech Dyno results
Also - try a search. I used "dyno wheel stock" and got quite a few hits. Most looked to be in the 198-202 (they say 208 was the peak) range - as Comptech suggests.
Originally posted by MaxManiac:
<STRONG>Ummm, never seen a CL-S dyno 200 stock without mods, I have seen 190-194 MOST of them.
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<STRONG>Ummm, never seen a CL-S dyno 200 stock without mods, I have seen 190-194 MOST of them.
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Originally posted by MaxManiac:
<STRONG>Ummm, never seen a CL-S dyno 200 stock without mods, I have seen 190-194 MOST of them.
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<STRONG>Ummm, never seen a CL-S dyno 200 stock without mods, I have seen 190-194 MOST of them.
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Originally posted by MaxManiac:
<STRONG>Yes true, but they dyno 174hp at the wheels for the auto...not near as much drive train loss as you guys.
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<STRONG>Yes true, but they dyno 174hp at the wheels for the auto...not near as much drive train loss as you guys.
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I have been to a few dyno shops that have them posted on the walls.....and recently saw one being dynoed as well. They all were mainly betweeen 190-195 hp.
Originally posted by mrdeeno:
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and where have you seen these? oh, could it be...maxima forums? or from other maxima owners that say that's what they've seen?</STRONG>
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and where have you seen these? oh, could it be...maxima forums? or from other maxima owners that say that's what they've seen?</STRONG>
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This is a CL -S forum, whats with the Maxima love fest. Crap, go preach to the choir. When the Maxima really out runs the CLS, auto/auto and stick/stick, I'll believe it. Until then, hit the Maxima forum.
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I'm an auto user -- until I get a job out in area with high-speed low-congestion roads, I'm stuck with an auto. The one issue (besides the tail lights) that kept me away from the 200x Maxima (I owned a perfect 1992 SE until last year, and it was a great car) was the bad gear ratios and lack of 5- or 6-speed automatic..
Now, understand, this argument gets lost in the world of 6-speed manual to 6-speed manual. But, the reason I went with the CL Type S vs. the newer (and newest) Maxima was the same old 4-speed auto. The gearing left me high and dry up in the hills and that same gearing that was great on the freeway, left me constantly fighting to get around trucks doing 20 MPH on Mulholland drive.
My best budy has a 1993 5-speed (ok, only 190 HP) and he is too scared to ride in my car again. When I gave him a speed run with a ¼ tank he was shaking his head (and he is working on a stroked Shelby Cobra Kit car!
Now, understand, this argument gets lost in the world of 6-speed manual to 6-speed manual. But, the reason I went with the CL Type S vs. the newer (and newest) Maxima was the same old 4-speed auto. The gearing left me high and dry up in the hills and that same gearing that was great on the freeway, left me constantly fighting to get around trucks doing 20 MPH on Mulholland drive.
My best budy has a 1993 5-speed (ok, only 190 HP) and he is too scared to ride in my car again. When I gave him a speed run with a ¼ tank he was shaking his head (and he is working on a stroked Shelby Cobra Kit car!
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Originally posted by GoldTypeS:
<STRONG>All this speculation.....
1) 246 lb-ft of torque for the new Max! Yippee... ummm... fellas... that's only another 14 lb-ft over the CL-S. What... you expect another .5 off your 1/4 miles cuz of that? The extra torque in the Max is simply not that significant.
2) 3.5L... bigger engine, more weight. And don't forget their adding equipment to the Max as well - even more weight. It'll probably still be lighter than the CL-S, but people are talking like this car is gonna be a monster compared to the old Max. I bet it's not THAT much faster.
3) Remember how everyone was creaming all over the Q45 before it came out. "Oh my gawd, 340hp, that thing is gonna fly! It's gonna be a 5 second car, blah blah blah...."
And what's the new Q doing??? 0-60 in mid 6's! Wow, that's really impressive
Here's a thought.... let's just all WAIT and see what the car can actually do! Maybe it will be pretty cool... but I'm placing my bet that it'll be WAY over-hyped.
... my $1.50
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<STRONG>All this speculation.....
1) 246 lb-ft of torque for the new Max! Yippee... ummm... fellas... that's only another 14 lb-ft over the CL-S. What... you expect another .5 off your 1/4 miles cuz of that? The extra torque in the Max is simply not that significant.
2) 3.5L... bigger engine, more weight. And don't forget their adding equipment to the Max as well - even more weight. It'll probably still be lighter than the CL-S, but people are talking like this car is gonna be a monster compared to the old Max. I bet it's not THAT much faster.
3) Remember how everyone was creaming all over the Q45 before it came out. "Oh my gawd, 340hp, that thing is gonna fly! It's gonna be a 5 second car, blah blah blah...."
And what's the new Q doing??? 0-60 in mid 6's! Wow, that's really impressive
Here's a thought.... let's just all WAIT and see what the car can actually do! Maybe it will be pretty cool... but I'm placing my bet that it'll be WAY over-hyped.
... my $1.50
[ 07-09-2001: Message edited by: GoldTypeS ]</STRONG>
2. The max is already lighter than a cl-s and will remain that way because the engine isnt physicaly bigger and heavier. Its just a bored out VQ...
3. The q45 is a bad ass car. 340hp and 333 lb ft is no joke. Have you seen them road test that car. Its peels out all the way thru first. Slap some drag radials on it and it will tear some ass.. Yes i know no one drives around with drag radials but you know what i mean..
This isnt directed towards mark but why are you all soooooooooo damn whiney. It makes me fucking sick to see grown men whine and bitch and throw fits over cars. Go ahead and call my car ugly. If thats the only thing wrong with it i dont give a shit. You all know its a great car, and the cl-s is a great car so why dont you all fucking chill and get over your I drive an ACURA emotional complexes and stop bitching like children.
Flame away....
Adam
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Originally posted by 2000MaximaSE:
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You know Mark, your the only person on this whiney board I respect but all your points are messed up. The new torque mated with a 6 speed is going to kill any cl-s BOTTOM LINE.
2. The max is already lighter than a cl-s and will remain that way because the engine isnt physicaly bigger and heavier. Its just a bored out VQ...
3. The q45 is a bad ass car. 340hp and 333 lb ft is no joke. Have you seen them road test that car. Its peels out all the way thru first. Slap some drag radials on it and it will tear some ass.. Yes i know no one drives around with drag radials but you know what i mean..
This isnt directed towards mark but why are you all soooooooooo damn whiney. It makes me fucking sick to see grown men whine and bitch and throw fits over cars. Go ahead and call my car ugly. If thats the only thing wrong with it i dont give a shit. You all know its a great car, and the cl-s is a great car so why dont you all fucking chill and get over your I drive an ACURA emotional complexes and stop bitching like children.
Flame away....
Adam</STRONG>
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You know Mark, your the only person on this whiney board I respect but all your points are messed up. The new torque mated with a 6 speed is going to kill any cl-s BOTTOM LINE.
2. The max is already lighter than a cl-s and will remain that way because the engine isnt physicaly bigger and heavier. Its just a bored out VQ...
3. The q45 is a bad ass car. 340hp and 333 lb ft is no joke. Have you seen them road test that car. Its peels out all the way thru first. Slap some drag radials on it and it will tear some ass.. Yes i know no one drives around with drag radials but you know what i mean..
This isnt directed towards mark but why are you all soooooooooo damn whiney. It makes me fucking sick to see grown men whine and bitch and throw fits over cars. Go ahead and call my car ugly. If thats the only thing wrong with it i dont give a shit. You all know its a great car, and the cl-s is a great car so why dont you all fucking chill and get over your I drive an ACURA emotional complexes and stop bitching like children.
Flame away....
Adam</STRONG>
NO Flames -- just a comment...
I enjoyed my Maxima. I just buy cars for more than power. If they ever fixed the rear end (ok -- it is my taste here) to something more like the new Infinity or the new RSX, I would seriously consider one for a future car.
Everytime my wife sees the back end (she still has a perfect 1995 Altima), she just cries over the way the prototype drawings looked.
There are some of us that really like a lot of different cars. Sometimes, subtle and small features make a difference to discriminating buyers.
Just a few thoughts -- and yes, the car will be fast (I predicted that Nissan would be following up the HP race with a 3.5L...)
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2000MaximaSE:
Gee, I read this post from start to finish just now. Where in this thread are people "whiney"?? All I read are arguments debating whether a 6-speed CL-S would be comparable to a 6-speed Maxima, a good discussion, until I got to your post. Your post is the most childish and troll-like of this whole thread. Swearing and ranting isn't going to make your point.
I like the comparison, because they are both sweet cars. My brother has a 95 Maxima and it's still running strong. Our CL-S's have been called ugly and boring, so a lot of us know about "different tastes", hell I still don't like the front of my own car! Just like I don't like the back of the Max. As far as who's faster, the only real proof that most people here on this board will accept is more than a few races between a 6-speed CL-S and a 6-speed maxima. Yeah, we'll all have to wait, but until then, all this is just talk right? So why get all worked up about it, let people argue, it's a message board!
Gee, I read this post from start to finish just now. Where in this thread are people "whiney"?? All I read are arguments debating whether a 6-speed CL-S would be comparable to a 6-speed Maxima, a good discussion, until I got to your post. Your post is the most childish and troll-like of this whole thread. Swearing and ranting isn't going to make your point.
I like the comparison, because they are both sweet cars. My brother has a 95 Maxima and it's still running strong. Our CL-S's have been called ugly and boring, so a lot of us know about "different tastes", hell I still don't like the front of my own car! Just like I don't like the back of the Max. As far as who's faster, the only real proof that most people here on this board will accept is more than a few races between a 6-speed CL-S and a 6-speed maxima. Yeah, we'll all have to wait, but until then, all this is just talk right? So why get all worked up about it, let people argue, it's a message board!
Someday pigs WILL fly!
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I hate to say it but we all sound like a bunch of kids in the school yard. "My dad can whoop your dad!". My past car was a 98 Maxima SE 5SPD and I loved it. It was with hesitancy that I let it go. The CL-S is a great car and I love it. But when it's gone, it's gone. It's a car, nothing more. First we get into pissing matches with the IS300 owners (another great car) then we get into it with our own CL-P owners (another great car) and now Maximas (another great car). Let's all grow up. The Max people should realize that this is a CL board and of course we gonna defend our turf just like they would if we invaded their turf with inflammatory remarks. So let's everyone put their guns away. Let's all grow up and realize that this is a great informative medium. And, oh yeah, I'm buying at the bar. I'll have an MGD, please.
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I have to agree with Dacat. I don't see any whining going on AT ALL.
But anyways, Adam... I know you go to the track and I know you know better than to say the new Max with an extra 14 lb-ft of torque is going to kill any CL-S bottom line. I mean, c'mon... that's just pure BULLSHIT! 6spd for 6spd, the two cars will likely be very closely matched. It doesn't really matter if the current 5spd SE is pretty close to the auto CL-S (which, after driving one this weekend, I have my doubts). We'll be talking about two different cars when the 3.5 Max and 6spd CL-S comes out. I drove a '01 SE 5spd this past weekend and I have to tell you... it felt pretty slow compared to my car. You need to hook me up with someone in the valley who has a 5spd cuz I'd really like to run with one to see for myself.
And as far as the new Max being lighter... I already said that. But don't think the Navi and extra equipment aren't going to add a few lbs. As well as the 3.5L engine. Every little bit counts and the new Max will likely be 50-100lbs heavier than the current Max.
Now the Q... shit MY car peels out all the way through first?? Big deal. It's a luxury car... they don't have performance tires on it, ya know! I'm sure it can easily shred its tires with all that power and torque. So can the CL-S. But it doesn't mean the car's a monster. It's still not the performer everyone expected it to be.
But anyways, Adam... I know you go to the track and I know you know better than to say the new Max with an extra 14 lb-ft of torque is going to kill any CL-S bottom line. I mean, c'mon... that's just pure BULLSHIT! 6spd for 6spd, the two cars will likely be very closely matched. It doesn't really matter if the current 5spd SE is pretty close to the auto CL-S (which, after driving one this weekend, I have my doubts). We'll be talking about two different cars when the 3.5 Max and 6spd CL-S comes out. I drove a '01 SE 5spd this past weekend and I have to tell you... it felt pretty slow compared to my car. You need to hook me up with someone in the valley who has a 5spd cuz I'd really like to run with one to see for myself.
And as far as the new Max being lighter... I already said that. But don't think the Navi and extra equipment aren't going to add a few lbs. As well as the 3.5L engine. Every little bit counts and the new Max will likely be 50-100lbs heavier than the current Max.
Now the Q... shit MY car peels out all the way through first?? Big deal. It's a luxury car... they don't have performance tires on it, ya know! I'm sure it can easily shred its tires with all that power and torque. So can the CL-S. But it doesn't mean the car's a monster. It's still not the performer everyone expected it to be.
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Originally posted by GoldTypeS:
<STRONG>I have to agree with Dacat. I don't see any whining going on AT ALL.
But anyways, Adam... I know you go to the track and I know you know better than to say the new Max with an extra 14 lb-ft of torque is going to kill any CL-S bottom line. I mean, c'mon... that's just pure BULLSHIT! 6spd for 6spd, the two cars will likely be very closely matched. It doesn't really matter if the current 5spd SE is pretty close to the auto CL-S (which, after driving one this weekend, I have my doubts). We'll be talking about two different cars when the 3.5 Max and 6spd CL-S comes out. I drove a '01 SE 5spd this past weekend and I have to tell you... it felt pretty slow compared to my car. You need to hook me up with someone in the valley who has a 5spd cuz I'd really like to run with one to see for myself.
And as far as the new Max being lighter... I already said that. But don't think the Navi and extra equipment aren't going to add a few lbs. As well as the 3.5L engine. Every little bit counts and the new Max will likely be 50-100lbs heavier than the current Max.
Now the Q... shit MY car peels out all the way through first?? Big deal. It's a luxury car... they don't have performance tires on it, ya know! I'm sure it can easily shred its tires with all that power and torque. So can the CL-S. But it doesn't mean the car's a monster. It's still not the performer everyone expected it to be.</STRONG>
<STRONG>I have to agree with Dacat. I don't see any whining going on AT ALL.
But anyways, Adam... I know you go to the track and I know you know better than to say the new Max with an extra 14 lb-ft of torque is going to kill any CL-S bottom line. I mean, c'mon... that's just pure BULLSHIT! 6spd for 6spd, the two cars will likely be very closely matched. It doesn't really matter if the current 5spd SE is pretty close to the auto CL-S (which, after driving one this weekend, I have my doubts). We'll be talking about two different cars when the 3.5 Max and 6spd CL-S comes out. I drove a '01 SE 5spd this past weekend and I have to tell you... it felt pretty slow compared to my car. You need to hook me up with someone in the valley who has a 5spd cuz I'd really like to run with one to see for myself.
And as far as the new Max being lighter... I already said that. But don't think the Navi and extra equipment aren't going to add a few lbs. As well as the 3.5L engine. Every little bit counts and the new Max will likely be 50-100lbs heavier than the current Max.
Now the Q... shit MY car peels out all the way through first?? Big deal. It's a luxury car... they don't have performance tires on it, ya know! I'm sure it can easily shred its tires with all that power and torque. So can the CL-S. But it doesn't mean the car's a monster. It's still not the performer everyone expected it to be.</STRONG>
You know what the. The current max has 217lb ft and you guys have 232? so thats a difference of only 15lb ft.... And you guys think you are god....... but if its the other way around it doesnt matter. I see...
The max and cl-s are so damn close right now. Even though it may only be 14 more lb ft that a cls its gonna be nearly 30 more lb ft for the new maxima. Its going to be a big difference. I gotta go to work now..
Adam
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Our Torque curve goes from 3500~5500 rpms...it doesn't peak as much as it flattens...can you say the same for your Max!?! I don't think so....besides...until you get a new Altima or Max...I'm still whupping your ass... 
Don't take it personal...just fucking wit ya!!
Don't take it personal...just fucking wit ya!!
Originally posted by 2000MaximaSE:
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You know what the. The current max has 217lb ft and you guys have 232? so thats a difference of only 15lb ft.... And you guys think you are god....... but if its the other way around it doesnt matter. I see...
The max and cl-s are so damn close right now. Even though it may only be 14 more lb ft that a cls its gonna be nearly 30 more lb ft for the new maxima. Its going to be a big difference. I gotta go to work now..
Adam</STRONG>
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You know what the. The current max has 217lb ft and you guys have 232? so thats a difference of only 15lb ft.... And you guys think you are god....... but if its the other way around it doesnt matter. I see...
The max and cl-s are so damn close right now. Even though it may only be 14 more lb ft that a cls its gonna be nearly 30 more lb ft for the new maxima. Its going to be a big difference. I gotta go to work now..
Adam</STRONG>
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Originally posted by moomaster_99:
<STRONG>Our Torque curve goes from 3500~5500 rpms...it doesn't peak as much as it flattens...can you say the same for your Max!?! I don't think so....besides...until you get a new Altima or Max...I'm still whupping your ass...
Don't take it personal...just fucking wit ya!! </STRONG>
<STRONG>Our Torque curve goes from 3500~5500 rpms...it doesn't peak as much as it flattens...can you say the same for your Max!?! I don't think so....besides...until you get a new Altima or Max...I'm still whupping your ass...
Don't take it personal...just fucking wit ya!!
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I would think when I get some new tires instead of these crappy Michelins in front..(yes, I do have re730s..in the rear, can't waste perfectly good rubber even if it is stock Michelins... )
All I can say, is how much does all that new power translate to?? .5 or .6 seconds?? That would put you about even with me...if you drop the clutch right and powershift your way through the gears... I mean sure...if you mod the Max..like I'm sure a lot of people will do, mostly to find my ass and give me a whupping for embarrassing them in front of their gfs...., I'll bow down...but then again...there is that SC..hehehe...
)All I can say, is how much does all that new power translate to?? .5 or .6 seconds?? That would put you about even with me...if you drop the clutch right and powershift your way through the gears... I mean sure...if you mod the Max..like I'm sure a lot of people will do, mostly to find my ass and give me a whupping for embarrassing them in front of their gfs....
, I'll bow down...but then again...there is that SC..hehehe...
Originally posted by e1828:
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Moomaster you think you can take the new Max with a manual? You are running over 290 hp and probably close to 240 lb-fts of torque with the headers.. I say it would be really close</STRONG>
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Moomaster you think you can take the new Max with a manual? You are running over 290 hp and probably close to 240 lb-fts of torque with the headers.. I say it would be really close</STRONG>
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Originally posted by 2000MaximaSE:
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You know what the. The current max has 217lb ft and you guys have 232? so thats a difference of only 15lb ft.... And you guys think you are god....... but if its the other way around it doesnt matter. I see...
The max and cl-s are so damn close right now. Even though it may only be 14 more lb ft that a cls its gonna be nearly 30 more lb ft for the new maxima. Its going to be a big difference. I gotta go to work now..
Adam</STRONG>
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You know what the. The current max has 217lb ft and you guys have 232? so thats a difference of only 15lb ft.... And you guys think you are god....... but if its the other way around it doesnt matter. I see...
The max and cl-s are so damn close right now. Even though it may only be 14 more lb ft that a cls its gonna be nearly 30 more lb ft for the new maxima. Its going to be a big difference. I gotta go to work now..
Adam</STRONG>
Yes we all think we are god I give up...
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Originally posted by moomaster_99:
<STRONG>Our Torque curve goes from 3500~5500 rpms...it doesn't peak as much as it flattens...can you say the same for your Max!?! I don't think so....besides...until you get a new Altima or Max...I'm still whupping your ass...
Don't take it personal...just fucking wit ya!! </STRONG>
<STRONG>Our Torque curve goes from 3500~5500 rpms...it doesn't peak as much as it flattens...can you say the same for your Max!?! I don't think so....besides...until you get a new Altima or Max...I'm still whupping your ass...
Don't take it personal...just fucking wit ya!!
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I don't understand why you guys are arguing anyways. The 2002 Maxima's and the CL-S stick's aren't out yet. Everyone's "so-called" facts of the 2002 Maxima stick vs. CL-S auto or the the 2002 Maxima stick vs. CL-S stick is all BS. I can understand and except that the Maxima, with a great driver, can run with us. They have similar HP/weight ratio. But there are alot of bad drivers out there and the majority of us CL-S owners have walked on bad Maxima drivers. I myself have never had any problems with walking on a Maxima, but then again, I've never raced one with a stick. They are just that rare. After visiting www.maxima.org and looking at some ET times from stock Maxima sticks, I do believe without a doubt, they can run with us.
p.s. I love it when you nit-pick every little thing you hate about the Maxima, particularly its styling. Makes yourself love your car just that much more huh?
Come on, get real! Our CL-S's isn't gonna win any beauty contest's either. It's not like we're e46 3 series coupes or A4's.
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Originally posted by GoldTypeS:
<STRONG>I have to agree with Dacat. I don't see any whining going on AT ALL.
But anyways, Adam... I know you go to the track and I know you know better than to say the new Max with an extra 14 lb-ft of torque is going to kill any CL-S bottom line. I mean, c'mon... that's just pure BULLSHIT! 6spd for 6spd, the two cars will likely be very closely matched. It doesn't really matter if the current 5spd SE is pretty close to the auto CL-S (which, after driving one this weekend, I have my doubts). We'll be talking about two different cars when the 3.5 Max and 6spd CL-S comes out. I drove a '01 SE 5spd this past weekend and I have to tell you... it felt pretty slow compared to my car. You need to hook me up with someone in the valley who has a 5spd cuz I'd really like to run with one to see for myself.
And as far as the new Max being lighter... I already said that. But don't think the Navi and extra equipment aren't going to add a few lbs. As well as the 3.5L engine. Every little bit counts and the new Max will likely be 50-100lbs heavier than the current Max.
Now the Q... shit MY car peels out all the way through first?? Big deal. It's a luxury car... they don't have performance tires on it, ya know! I'm sure it can easily shred its tires with all that power and torque. So can the CL-S. But it doesn't mean the car's a monster. It's still not the performer everyone expected it to be.</STRONG>
<STRONG>I have to agree with Dacat. I don't see any whining going on AT ALL.
But anyways, Adam... I know you go to the track and I know you know better than to say the new Max with an extra 14 lb-ft of torque is going to kill any CL-S bottom line. I mean, c'mon... that's just pure BULLSHIT! 6spd for 6spd, the two cars will likely be very closely matched. It doesn't really matter if the current 5spd SE is pretty close to the auto CL-S (which, after driving one this weekend, I have my doubts). We'll be talking about two different cars when the 3.5 Max and 6spd CL-S comes out. I drove a '01 SE 5spd this past weekend and I have to tell you... it felt pretty slow compared to my car. You need to hook me up with someone in the valley who has a 5spd cuz I'd really like to run with one to see for myself.
And as far as the new Max being lighter... I already said that. But don't think the Navi and extra equipment aren't going to add a few lbs. As well as the 3.5L engine. Every little bit counts and the new Max will likely be 50-100lbs heavier than the current Max.
Now the Q... shit MY car peels out all the way through first?? Big deal. It's a luxury car... they don't have performance tires on it, ya know! I'm sure it can easily shred its tires with all that power and torque. So can the CL-S. But it doesn't mean the car's a monster. It's still not the performer everyone expected it to be.</STRONG>
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Originally posted by 2000MaximaSE:
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You know what the. The current max has 217lb ft and you guys have 232? so thats a difference of only 15lb ft.... And you guys think you are god....... but if its the other way around it doesnt matter. I see...
The max and cl-s are so damn close right now. Even though it may only be 14 more lb ft that a cls its gonna be nearly 30 more lb ft for the new maxima. Its going to be a big difference. I gotta go to work now..
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You know what the. The current max has 217lb ft and you guys have 232? so thats a difference of only 15lb ft.... And you guys think you are god....... but if its the other way around it doesnt matter. I see...
The max and cl-s are so damn close right now. Even though it may only be 14 more lb ft that a cls its gonna be nearly 30 more lb ft for the new maxima. Its going to be a big difference. I gotta go to work now..
Adam</STRONG>
can some of you guys give me websites that state the Acura CL-S will get the 6speed? I would like to know the truth because I am intersted in getting rid of the cruddy sportshift. The thing went out at 11,000miles GRRRRR!
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Originally posted by Wesley:
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Actually, the VQ engine in the Maxima makes 80% of its peak torque from 1,600rpms-5,600rpms peaking out at 217TQ@4,000rpms. It may not be "flat" like ours for 2,000rpms but they sure do have a broader range.
I don't understand why you guys are arguing anyways. The 2002 Maxima's and the CL-S stick's aren't out yet. Everyone's "so-called" facts of the 2002 Maxima stick vs. CL-S auto or the the 2002 Maxima stick vs. CL-S stick is all BS. I can understand and except that the Maxima, with a great driver, can run with us. They have similar HP/weight ratio. But there are alot of bad drivers out there and the majority of us CL-S owners have walked on bad Maxima drivers. I myself have never had any problems with walking on a Maxima, but then again, I've never raced one with a stick. They are just that rare. After visiting www.maxima.org and looking at some ET times from stock Maxima sticks, I do believe without a doubt, they can run with us.
p.s. I love it when you nit-pick every little thing you hate about the Maxima, particularly its styling. Makes yourself love your car just that much more huh?
Come on, get real! Our CL-S's isn't gonna win any beauty contest's either. It's not like we're e46 3 series coupes or A4's.</STRONG>
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Actually, the VQ engine in the Maxima makes 80% of its peak torque from 1,600rpms-5,600rpms peaking out at 217TQ@4,000rpms. It may not be "flat" like ours for 2,000rpms but they sure do have a broader range.
I don't understand why you guys are arguing anyways. The 2002 Maxima's and the CL-S stick's aren't out yet. Everyone's "so-called" facts of the 2002 Maxima stick vs. CL-S auto or the the 2002 Maxima stick vs. CL-S stick is all BS. I can understand and except that the Maxima, with a great driver, can run with us. They have similar HP/weight ratio. But there are alot of bad drivers out there and the majority of us CL-S owners have walked on bad Maxima drivers. I myself have never had any problems with walking on a Maxima, but then again, I've never raced one with a stick. They are just that rare. After visiting www.maxima.org and looking at some ET times from stock Maxima sticks, I do believe without a doubt, they can run with us.
p.s. I love it when you nit-pick every little thing you hate about the Maxima, particularly its styling. Makes yourself love your car just that much more huh?
Come on, get real! Our CL-S's isn't gonna win any beauty contest's either. It's not like we're e46 3 series coupes or A4's.</STRONG>
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Dude - if you're going to post to a topic, READ ALL THE RESPONSES. We had our calculations about hp/L and hp/m (as in mass) discussions earlier. Well, not specifically hp/m but we discussed the weight differences and the fact that the 3.5 gets the same HP as our 3.2.
And are we done with this topic yet? Granted I'm guilty of posting to it too, but it's getting old.
And are we done with this topic yet? Granted I'm guilty of posting to it too, but it's getting old.
Originally posted by Wesley:
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Also with the new 3.5 Altima and Maxima, their HP/weight ratio will be better than the CL-S and so will the TQ/weight ratio. Honda better have an answer to that!
can some of you guys give me websites that state the Acura CL-S will get the 6speed? I would like to know the truth because I am intersted in getting rid of the cruddy sportshift. The thing went out at 11,000miles GRRRRR!</STRONG>
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Also with the new 3.5 Altima and Maxima, their HP/weight ratio will be better than the CL-S and so will the TQ/weight ratio. Honda better have an answer to that!
can some of you guys give me websites that state the Acura CL-S will get the 6speed? I would like to know the truth because I am intersted in getting rid of the cruddy sportshift. The thing went out at 11,000miles GRRRRR!</STRONG>
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Enjoy your rides---no matter what you drive. Plenty of time to experience the many different brands out there, so good are they that we often foolishly argue over their impressive statistics. Right now I'm savoring the taste of my PDG CL-S, and finding it as good as 1 year ago. Who knows what's next and when? That's the beauty of it.............I love cars!!!!!!!!!!!!
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