This is just hypothetical! I havent done anything like that and most likely wont! So dont banish me or put out a death warrant on my head

But the thought did cross my mind, and I am kinda curious ... what kinda trade could we expect?

As you all know I regret not having gotten the navi, and I regret not having gotten the CL-S, but more importantly my car has taken a beating in 2 accidents (even though you cant tell cuz of it has been fixed up) ... and it has 17000 miles on it.

What do you guys think?

[ 07-08-2001: Message edited by: nabster ]

 

Trade it for a 2002 6 Speed CL-S ! Even Better, although I'm still P E R F E C T L Y happy with my Auto

Your gona Loose $$ either way, but YOU know the STICK 02 CL-S is Still going to be WAY better than the Stick Maxima 02.

JMO

 

roughly 21k-22k. I was offered 23k for the cl-s from 2 different dealerships. (subaru and lexus)..

you going for the 6speed maxima? I would personally go for something non FWD..

good luck..

 

Right now the 222hp 5spd Maxima has the same exact times stock as the CL-S which has 260hp. Now when the 6spd Maxima comes out, it will perform much better than most cars out there. Like Nissan announced, all there cars will be the fastest in the class. 260hp 5spd or 6spd in the CL-S or TL-S will be a great option, but one thing the cars lack, is torque. Nissan engines and the VQ at that are the best V6 engines ever built and no other V6 has ever matched it yet.

The new Altima supose to do 6.1 sec 0-60 and its gonna be slightly bigger than the current Maxima, the 260hp Maxima will be slightly lighter, but it will also be faster, so figure 5.8 0-60 and low 14s 1/4. Don't expect the CL-S to hang with it very well even with a manual tranny. It will also have Torshen LSD.

 

Well what proof do you have that the CL-S will be way way better? Please explain this too me from your biased opinion. Until the car has released its performance specs, no one will know for sure. Most likely the Maxima will be faster since the current 5spds run with the CL-S.

 

whatever they offer you for a trade... add at least $1000 to it!!

 

If you are looking for something with a RWD the Infiniti G35 will have the same engine as the new Nissan Z35 and will have a 6-speed manual.. expect about 280hp with that car and probably over 250lb-ft of torque. And yes I am sure the Navi will be an option.

 

even mazda is getting into the 260hp+ club with the 626 MPS. AWD 280hp..
http://www.mazdafun.com/626MPS.htm

i think honda had a jump on this thing but it looks like they will quickly be left behind..

 

i would just wait until honda/acura counters...when they gave us 260HP, they weren't kidding around. i expect them to take things up a notch to stay on top-it would be just too easy to do. (i'm crossing my fingers on this one)

...and the maxima is just so fucking ugly, WTF??

 

I'd be happy with just getting control of the 1st gear like the automatic in the rsx..

 

Hope this helps. I traded my CL-P on 7/4/01 for a TL-S non nav. The dealer gave me $24,000 for the car. It had 5100 miles on it and I bought it on 2/10/01. Paid $26,200 (including locks, spoiler and mud guards). BTW I paid $29,600 for the TL-S (including locks and mud guards)

 

It is not ugly....its agreesive looking....

http://www.ofoto.com/BrowsePhotos.js...id=18633276103

[ 07-08-2001: Message edited by: MaxManiac ]

 

do not like the look at all ... just my opinion.

 

If I had bought my CL-P for that much, I wouldve been all over that trade. I think you got a great deal. Unfortunately, I bought my cl-p a good year before you. End of feb early march 2000. and paid a whole lot more too .. almost 5K more. I cant imagine getting a deal half as good as that now that I have 17K miles on mine. I love the TL-S and would take that any day.

Yeah that would be ideal, but unfortunately, more and more people are denying the availability of the 6speed in '02

Thats a real good idea! Is there a new G35 coming out? I love what they did with the new Q that thing looks so perfect! unfortunately it is out of my budget

I am sure Honda will come back with more, but at that time these CL's will be worthless. Why would someone buy a '01 auto CL when there is a '03 6 speed stick CL 320hp (doesnt that sound nice )

Max, I must agree with most people on here regarding the looks of the maxima. It isnt all that attractive. HOWEVER (before you get offended), everything else tho .. is very commendable!

[ 07-08-2001: Message edited by: nabster ]

 

How much will a G35 cost? That sh!t be looking damn good...

 

You're half right: it's not ugly, it's FUGLY!!! The Maxima has one of the worst-looking rear ends of any mass-production car.

 

lol! ouch!

 

Pricing should be around $30K .. maybe a little more.. expect an early 2002 release..got this info from freshalloy.com.. my wonders/worries is that it will be faster than the I35, have more hp and torque, a 6-speed trnasmission comapred to 4-speed in the I35 and be cheaper than it.. strange.. but I think the G35 is aimed towards the IS300, Audi A4 and BMW 3series crowd

[ 07-09-2001: Message edited by: e1828 ]

 

yeah i just looked on the infiniti website. the G35 is listed as a future model and expected for release early next year. the press release looks pretty sweet

It sounds kinda like Infiniti is doing what Acura did with the CL-S and then followed up with the TL-S ... similarly Infiniti redid the Q45 and is now gonna incorporate the lessons it learns into the G35

[ 07-09-2001: Message edited by: nabster ]

 

Oh sh*t.. Nissan 350Z and G35 to have 300hp!?!?!?!?! http://www.motortrend.com/june01/350z/350z_f.html

 

hey, did you follow that link for the G35? those pictures look awesome! Also, it is going to be a 2003 model ..

wow

 

Good, that will give them time to get the steering wheel put in the right place !!

 

rofl

 

Did I read the Nissan site totally wrong, or is the 2002 Maxima a 3.5L engine? If so, THAT'S how they get torque!

You can bet your balls (apologies to the women...) that a 3.5L engine will increase their price a bit.

 

another thing to consider is that the updated maxima is also in its last stage of life before another comes out. The CL is gonna be this way for another 3-4 years while this may be the maxima's last year.

 

You're right. 3.5L V6 260-hp engine with 246 ft. lbs. of torque

 

All this speculation.....

1) 246 lb-ft of torque for the new Max! Yippee... ummm... fellas... that's only another 14 lb-ft over the CL-S. What... you expect another .5 off your 1/4 miles cuz of that? The extra torque in the Max is simply not that significant.

2) 3.5L... bigger engine, more weight. And don't forget their adding equipment to the Max as well - even more weight. It'll probably still be lighter than the CL-S, but people are talking like this car is gonna be a monster compared to the old Max. I bet it's not THAT much faster.

3) Remember how everyone was creaming all over the Q45 before it came out. "Oh my gawd, 340hp, that thing is gonna fly! It's gonna be a 5 second car, blah blah blah...."
And what's the new Q doing??? 0-60 in mid 6's! Wow, that's really impressive

Here's a thought.... let's just all WAIT and see what the car can actually do! Maybe it will be pretty cool... but I'm placing my bet that it'll be WAY over-hyped.

... my $1.50

[ 07-09-2001: Message edited by: GoldTypeS ]

 

In real life, its not 14lb, the CL-S engine dynos 190-200hp to the wheels bone stock, the current 222 hp Maxima dynos 185-195 hp to the wheels stock. Your cars have ALOT of drivetrain loss, or false info from Honda on the actual output of the engine. Nissan engines always produce what they are quoted. 260 hp expect 230hp at the wheels. And alot more TQ than the current CL-S. The Max is expected to gain 50lb extra weight. Also the Q45 was a preproduction model and did not have the new ecu they now have. It was a ECU programming error that caused it to not perform as well. The actual production models are faster. They have a article on this somewhere.

 

But are those 222hp Maximas that are dynoing at 185-195hp manual transmissions? Remember that the only trans that the CL-S comes in right now is auto and Maxima's comein both transmissions. =)

 

Automatics lose a lot more hp to the wheels than 5spds. Were you not aware of this?? A quick check of maxima.org will reveal that the auto Maximas are losing about 26% to the wheels!!! I spoke with a guy here in Phoenix with an auto Max SE and he dyno'd at 165hp stock. 165/222 = 25.7% drivetrain loss. Let's compare that with Mike's (one of our members) dyno of his stock CL-S. 198.8/260 = 23.6% loss. So, Acura's automatics are losing LESS hp to the wheels than Nissan's. Honda's manual transmissions are known to be pretty efficient. I'd be willing to bet that Honda's manual tranny will lose no more to the wheels than Nissan's. The difference will most certainly be insignificant.

So, actually, in real life it WILL be about 14 lb-ft or possibly even LESS.

PS - you can see Mike's dyno here: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/Album...564&a=10062050

[ 07-09-2001: Message edited by: GoldTypeS ]

 

Great point - I seem to remember something from a Mechanical Engineering class I took that gave an auto tranny 80% greater loss than a manual because of the - gasp - TORQUE Converter!

 

So that means that we still get 81.25 hp/L while they only get 74.29 hp/L! I'll still take my CL-S! We're still in the lead!

 

Right you are! And if the CL-S had a 3.5L engine as a few privileged individuals do.. then that equates to 285hp with 260 lb-ft of torque!

 

MaxManic,

Who gives a rats ass if the production version is faster. My sister bought one, and it's fun in itself to be the passenger and play with all the toys built into the car. It's one sweet ride.

 

personally i think the new maxima is butt fuckin ugly adn i think the new g35 is very ugly too. i dont give a rats ass about the hp the car has if i am ashamed to be seen driving in it. THe new 01 maxima is nice, i almost bought it but i have had 2 before my cl-s so i wanted change, but my parnets are gettin it and believe me i cant wait to rip into it. well the infiniti is a alright car, the new Q is gorgous, but thenew g35 i ugly and gives the skyline a shitty name, please give us americans the 2 door skyline we want so badly.
but if i was to get one of those machines, i would ge tthe i35 casue it will have the maximas engine and well, it looks nicer and will have the luxury that i have already been accusomed to with acura.

 

Yes true, but they dyno 174hp at the wheels for the auto...not near as much drive train loss as you guys.

 

Oh well....I can still beat your Max!!!

 

Really? Are ALL Maxima-morons as stupid and ignorant as you?

178/222=.78
200/260=.76

Wow! That's a whole lot more!

Damn dumb people without calculators.

Oh - that's right (or would you spell that write?) you have a BIG fucking calculator called a computer in front of you!

 

Ummm, never seen a CL-S dyno 200 stock without mods, I have seen 190-194 MOST of them.

 

Wow, big man, talking such harsh words...sounds to me you need to do a little more growing up and be more adult like.