WebToker

Tempeture: 77
Humidity: 70%
Weight: 3630 (with me in it)
Tire presure: 22psi


The only thing I took out of the car was my sub and amp. All runs I shifted at 6900 - 7100 RPMs. Also want to mention my V-AFC was not on. I have yet to get it tuned.

R/T ... .575
60' ... 2.217
330 ... 6.173
1/8 ... 9.359
MPH ... 77.39
1000 ... 12.122
1/4 ... 14.443
MPH ... 97.14


R/T ... .893
60' ... 2.258
330 ... 6.208
1/8 ... 9.401
MPH ... 76.44
1000 ... 12.172
1/4 ... 14.501
MPH ... 97.11


R/T ... .787
60' ... 2.249
330 ... 6.229
1/8 ... 9.429
MPH ... 77.13
1000 ... 12.205
1/4 ... 14.543
MPH ... 96.23

R/T ... .877
60' ... 2.306
330 ... 6.269
1/8 ... 9.467
MPH ... 76.79
1000 ... 12.246
1/4 ... 14.580
MPH ... 96.48

R/T ... .544
60' ... 2.254
330 ... 6.251
1/8 ... 9.475
MPH ... 75.54
1000 ... 12.256
1/4 ... 14.611
MPH ... 96.55


I am sure if it was below 55 and low humidity I would at least have run a 14.2. All is well though and I am happy for now

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2001 Acura 3.2 CL Type-S
Comptech Springs, Exhaust, Headers
AEM CAI, Pulleys
Denso Spark Plugs
Apexi V-AFC

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Nashua_Night_Hawk

Congrats.... Excellent times, lowering the tire presure helped a lot in the launch department, right?
2.2s and 1 2.3s 60' times is an excellent achievement.

Could you describe, the wheel spin and steering wheel torque ?

Congrats again ...

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Black, Ebony, 3.2 CL Type-S, NAV.
- 3M clear bra, by Stonguard (full front bumper, and side mirrors, and partial hood)
- Acura Spoiler, Moonroof visor
- Splash guards, Winter mats, Trunk liner
- Valentine V1 Radar Locator
- HELMS Service Manual
- PIAA 19169 road lamps
- 03/19/01: Injen Polished CAI
- 04/13/01: 235/40/18 NITTO 555 on 18x7.5, +45 offset, Koing Imagine in Silver with wheels locks

WebToker

There was no tire spin at all. The tire pressure helped that out. All though I think if I had good tires and did not lower the tire pressure so much my 1/4 mile times would have been better. All launches where with break torqueing at 1500 RPM.



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2001 Acura 3.2 CL Type-S
Comptech Springs, Exhaust, Headers
AEM CAI, Pulleys
Denso Spark Plugs
Apexi V-AFC

Crippen

Shifting technique?

D3/auto and floor it?
SS?

d1>d2>d3 ?

Great times -- how do they compare to your previous track times? Did the pulleys help?


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R.I.P Integra Type-R #932
Black 2001 CL-S
Comptech Headers

WebToker

Well last time in these weather conditions I ran a 14.935 @ 92.95 MPH. When it was about 50 degrees outside and low humidity I ran a 14.688 @ 94.39 MPH with the same mods I had with the 14.9 time. I used D1, D2, D3.



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CLpower

your MPH are impressive

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my mom and bestfriend have told me to tell you guys to stop telling me to spend my money; they are tired of my automobiles getting pampered and them getting whats left over which usually consists of change I find in my car by doing things you guys encourage

Mike

Good job. Time to start the tire fund.

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2001 Satin Silver Cl Type S.
Comptech:Headers, Springs & Sways
AEM CAI
Toyo T1S Proxys 235/45/17
SSR Competition wheels 17x8
35% Llumar metallic tint
My Car

WebToker

Working on that now

Mike

hey, did you remove the drivers side fog light?

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2001 Satin Silver Cl Type S.
Comptech:Headers, Springs & Sways
AEM CAI
Toyo T1S Proxys 235/45/17
SSR Competition wheels 17x8
35% Llumar metallic tint
My Car

WebToker

Na, I was to hyped up about the new mods. I just wanted to get out there and run.


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2001 Acura 3.2 CL Type-S
Comptech Springs, Exhaust, Headers
AEM CAI, Pulleys
Denso Spark Plugs
Apexi V-AFC

Xephyr2K

Toker,

Great times !!!!

But I have to say I feel a bit slighted as I ran 14.4's all stock (stock tires at ~33psi, no headers, no polished heads

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2001 Nighthawk Black CLS Type S - Xephyr Performance CAI, PIAA 19173(Yellow) Road Lamp Upgrades, Full Wood Trim, Spoiler, 1/4 Mile in 14.424@97.23 MPH Atco Raceway Best GTECH Sprint 6.05 Xephyr Performance Intakes

FDao

WebToker,

Great numbers! When you originally ran 14.9, was that with headers only? Did you also lower your tire pressure to 22 PSI like this time?

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Frank
01-S White/Parchment
Comptech Sways & Springs

CO-CL-S

14.5 @ 97 and pretty consistent. Nice!!

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Eat Safe, Use Condiments
Red CL-S, non-Nav, 35% tint, M6 driving lights, M4 map and door lights

WebToker

All stock you say? I think I smell some B.S. I know you posted your time slips with intake and those where 14.4. Like I also said about tire presure, I am sure those times would be a lot better if I wasn't running so low PSI.

What was the tempeture outside?

Tempeture makes a huge difference along with the humidity. I was running a 14.6 with just intake in 50 degree weather with low humidity. I am sure if it was cold I would at least be running a 14.2 if not a flat 14. Also why do you mention polished heads? Did you get your heads polished? Is there something your not telling us about your car? Na, but for real, BeatYalAll with 30 degree weather and same mods was running 13.9 at the track. I can almost promise you that is why my times are not as good.



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Tom2

Why are you wasting your time going to the track?

If you just gave gavriil your specs (mods, weight, etc) I'm sure that he could have fired-up his little super computer and told you exactly what you would have run at the track!

Wouldn't that have been better? You wouldn't even had to waste any gas at the track

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dead CL-S and M3

WebToker

Tom, come on, can we get over it now. Lets just be cool and not make anymore remarks about other people. Thanks tom.

Tom2

Web Toker,

On a more serious note-

Don't believe anything from Xephyr. I suspect that he made his times up anyway, just to promote his intake as the best mod for the money.

What would be a better way to sell those intakes? Nothing would be better than saying that you bolted one on your stock CL-S and ran mid/low 14's.

Why do I doubt him? Simple- He posted pics of time slips from the track to prove his times. But if you look at the date on the timeslips, it was actually AFTER the day he made the post. Simple goof, huh? He prints up some phony slips, but makes a post a day early by mistake......

He's definitely full of it.

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dead CL-S and M3

WebToker

Here is the post from Xephyr2K.

http://www.acura-cl.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/002366.html

WebToker

So Xephyr, I wanna take the Pepsi challenge. Send me one of your intakes and I will take it out to the track. Under your conditions, meaning you tell me what I need to do as in run the AEM intake first or yours. Are you willing to do this? If yours proves better times them I will pay the full purchase price and shipping. If not I will send it back to you.

Xephyr2K

Tom2,

Please stop...- youre hurting my feelings......-NOT !

1. My track times are 100% legitimate ...-as far as the dates go ask ATCO ..- if i were to doctor them do you really think I would make such an obvious mistake? Reread the post and the temps .... you butthead..- at 30 degrees its right on the money.

2. Gavril has posted numbers and formulas obviously beyond your grasp as it requires counting beyond the number of toes and fingers....- You think Honda, BMW, etc start with a chassis and engine then keep running it at the track to design the car ? They all use science to their advantage then tweak at a track.... but then again explaining this to someone who' closest ancestors had trouble walking upright is pointless.....- Maybe Gavril will be kind enough to calculate the amount of time it will take you to get your head out of your ass long enough to realize certain truths....

Webtoker,

the Palm cut off 50% of my message .... The rest should have said .... Great Times considering the temps down there and much Kudos..... Sorry if it seemed belligerent without the other half of the msg..... Good stuff!

Tom2,
UNGA BUNGA OOOHHH AHHHHH EEEHH AHHHHH EEEEEHHHHH NUK NUK FOO

-Translation for our non-primate members-

You are an ass.... and give BMW owners a bad name. And your annoying too.



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2001 Nighthawk Black CLS Type S - Xephyr Performance CAI, PIAA 19173(Yellow) Road Lamp Upgrades, Full Wood Trim, Spoiler, 1/4 Mile in 14.424@97.23 MPH Atco Raceway Best GTECH Sprint 6.05 Xephyr Performance Intakes

eclipse23

WOW TOM, all by yourself you alienate yourself on the board..........

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01' Acura CL Type-S
Piaa 19169 Bulbs
Valentine1 Pig Detector
CompTech Exhaust
Xephyr Cold Air Intake
Founding Member of the NO SCRATCHED RIMS CLUB

01'Acura Integra GSR

Tom2

Hardly. Just a few ignorant jackasses.



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dead CL-S and M3

Tom2

Xephyr you idiot, are you absolutely clueless?

Don't tell me what engineers do.....

What would make anyone think that they keep running a car at the track to design it? That's ignorant thinking, son. Nobody here is stupid enough to think that.

If you're so far up gavriil's ass, then why not hire him as a consultant? He'd type his little fingers off PROVING to everyone that your little intake makes XXX horsepower and shaves XXX seconds off your TRACK time. Idiot.

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dead CL-S and M3

fender4

It's time for a New York, New Jersey
"Group Hug" then a meet at a local dragstrip

Tom2

Good idea, but there's not ONE SINGLE CL-S DRIVER ON THIS FORUM WITH THE BALLS TO BACK UP THEIR MOUTH. Any takers? I feel like going to the track!! Bookboy, are you listening??



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rwwlaw

I'll race your M3! Big deal if I loose, just gives me more ammunition for mods

gavriil

You know up to now I thought you were just stupid, arrogant and just someone that was getting a lot of sarisfaction to proving to all CLS owners that his M3 is faster than their cars.

Now you prove that you are a vindictive SOB. Because I am 99% that the word vindictive is unknown to you let me give you the definition:

1.Disposed to seek revenge; revengeful.
2.Marked by or resulting from a desire to hurt; spiteful.

How can you post such a thing where your only intention is to hurt someone's business with no proof! People's business is not just their ego you loser. It is one thing to beat me at the track or by knowing more than someone else about something but it is totally different to try to hurt one's business in a public forum on the above premises that hold no ground.

Man that is just wrong. You are beyond pathetic...you can be dangerous to innocent people. People like you need to be locked up.

I took this M3/trackboy/mag racer thing as a joke but you obviously cannot. You have to hurt someone before the fat lady sings. And because you could not hurt me in any possible way because you are simply less smart than I am (as simple as that), you take on Xephyr's business.

Good thing Xephyr is smart and will be able to recover from this mainly because most of the people in this forum are smart to understand that.

Man this just stinks. I quit. I am not going to ever reply to any posts from you or make any references to you from now on. Keep away you freak. You make me sick. Pheww.

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Gabriel
CL Type S

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Tom2

I knew that you couldn't hold up in a war of wits with me. Nice way to cop out, loser.

Everyone knows that I was making you look like an ignorant bookworm, so you just give up, but use this as a pathetic excuse.

LOL.



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dead CL-S and M3

gavriil

Xephyr,

No need to try any of that any more. I thought we were all having fun here but obviously not all can take it. I do not know you, do not know of your product but I wish you good luck...good luck to you and your business. If your product is good and you are a smart businessman I am certain you are going to make money no matter what people say.

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Gabriel
CL Type S

droideka

ALLRIGHT! Settle down, you jackasses!

You know, I used this little app called Cartest 2000 that allows you to plug in all kinds of variables for any given vehicle and come up with it's approximate standing start times for 0-60 and the 1320. Guess what it said Webtoker should've run? 0-60 in 5.9s and a 1/4 mile time of 14.4. I figured with a tranny loss of 23.5% HP and 21% TQ that BHP numbers are 315HP and 274 lb. ft. of torque. I even dropped the height of the car by 2" to account for springs. Is this app infalible? No, but when I plug in WRX specs it gives me the EXACT numbers that people have already been posting across the 'Net from real-world tests.

With all that said, what a colassal fucking waste of money to gain a half second in the quarter mile! I am NOT trying to be a dick like Tom, , but when is spending $2,000+ (parts and install) to gain SO LITTLE a sound investment?

When my number is up next year, this car is going BYE BYE. I was once all excited about maybe keeping the CL-S, but these numbers that everyone is generating are very disheartening. Even with the massive HP gains the headers are supposedly yielding at the wheels, the numbers just aren't adding up to real performance improvements.

Flame the shit out of me if you wish, but you just can't turn the CL-S into any kind of a track monster without some serious surgery.

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'01 CL-S|Sundance Gold|Spoiler|35% Tint|Bridgestone Potenza RE730 225/45/17
a study in pimp daddy gold

Tom2

droideka,

While I agree with most of your post, I've gotta ask ya- Do you realize what .5 seconds on a track equals? I know it doesn't sound like much, but it really is an ass-kicking when two cars race and are separated by .5 sec.

That being said, why would you buy a CL-S to be a "track monster" anyway? Maybe you should have gotten yourself a more serious performace car.

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droideka

Yeah, tom, I realize that every tenth of a second is good for a car length in most 1320 sprints. The point I'm making is that you would think that $2000+ worth of mods is good for more than .4 to .5 seconds. I want to see high 13s or at least 14 flat for that kind of money. A $600 chip in an S4 Tiptronic can put you in the high 13s. An entire fucking second off of the stock times. I know, I know, it's MUCH easier to mod forced induction with engine management changes, but it's still WAY more impressive of a gain.

I was driving a Honda Passport before the CL-S which is a WORLD of difference and does make it seem high-performance. Should I have waited, or gone with my heart (S4)? Probably, but that's what's neat about two-year leases. If I can time it right by next April, I can dump the CL-S and move right into an E46 M3. Then I'll have to drive it up to NY and smoke your ass!


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'01 CL-S|Sundance Gold|Spoiler|35% Tint|Bridgestone Potenza RE730 225/45/17
a study in pimp daddy gold

WebToker

Damn, I love my CL-S...

droideka

Now go run your ass up against a GS430. Should be interesting since you're probably hitting around the same 0-60 as they are now. Good luck.



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'01 CL-S|Sundance Gold|Spoiler|35% Tint|Bridgestone Potenza RE730 225/45/17
a study in pimp daddy gold

EricL

The scale issue is important here.

If the cars where running 0..60 in 9 seconds and 1/4 miles in 16-17 seconds, a .5 second increase would be worthless.

So, what about a car running a 13... A .5 second increase is excellent.

Until someone want to turn this car into a "true" drag racer, the car will always have the rear weight transfer problem that comes with the front wheel drive.

There is also a point that I think we are taking something similar to a Mercedes (good handling, nice looks, great room, etc, etc) and hopping up the engine to go drag racing.

That was the whole deal with 60s super cars. For the most part they would run 13s/14s down the strip, but my little BMW would wipe their ass all over the twisties.

Is there no compromise. I can only speak for myself, but I bought the mods for all around performance, not drag racing. If drag racing is the be all and end all goal, why not just buy a Mazda or GNX or whatever and just make it a drag monster.

I figured that if my car was near low 14s or high 13s, I would be thrilled. I have driven my car with mods (see below), and outside of a possible brake issue (more from a paranoid chase fantasy), I'm finished.

The car is fast enough that I'm getting concerned about possible tickets. I drive with my wife with traffic flow and a bit faster and it feels like 70 MPH. I look at the speedo, and its take your license time.

If anyone is really unhappy with their modifications: sell the parts; sell the car; get something that meets your goals.

BTW -- someone will always be faster!


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Silver 2001 CL-S with NAVI

• Mud guards
• Wheel locks
• Toyo T1S 235/45ZR17-97W* Proxies on 17x8" SSR Competition wheels (48lbs less than stock)
• Kevlar/SS Brake lines w/Brembos?
• Comptech headers & sways
• Silver AEM CAI
• 9 coats of Zaino magic

WebToker

See that’s why I like this car so much. Not only is it fast as shit but damn it looks good, it feels good, and it sounds good. I have yet to find that many cars that have the awesome looks of our interior with the navi. This car does not only satisfy my need for speed but it also is a pimp little ride with a dependable engine with low maintenance costs. You can't beat that.

JRock

I'm only a CL-S newbie (hell I don't pick mine up until tomorrow night), so maybe I'm wrong about this but:

If you wanted a car to race, wouldn't you have just bought a Camaro/Firebird/Mustang/WRX etc?

I was always under the impression people bought CL-Ses to have a luxury car with some nice performance, but not to actually race the thing seriously.

I mean, if I'd wanted a car to kick some ass, I would have just gotten an Camaro SS and modded that. But I didn't - I got a CL-S because I wanted the luxury, frontwheel drive, and I like the way it looks.

So why do people say things like this:

I would have thought that was completely obvious to anyone who took one for a test drive.

-J

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2001 CL-S Aegean Blue/black interior no-navi
Stock for now.

WebToker

Again, that’s why I bought my TypeS. The last thing I would want would be a shitty camaro or mustang. Have your taken a ride in those lately? They are the most poorly built cars for what you pay. I wanted a nice car that I can go fast in. What’s so wrong with that? Fuck buying a lower class car just to go fast. Some of you will never understand or get what I am saying but I know there are a few of us on the board that know exactly what I am talking about.

droideka

You guys are MISSING MY FUCKING POINT!!!

Would YOU want to be seen in a Mustang/Firebird/Camaro? I wouldn't. I said what I said about the CL-S's performance because I would EXPECT that a mod such as headers which puts down 30 additional horses to the WHEELS would yield better standing start gains than .3-.5 seconds. Understand?

The simple fact of the matter I'm having to cope with now is that horses along aren't going to do it. We need a serious torque upgrade which may only come about with a supercharger. I'd much rather turn a CL-S into a beast and embarass Mustang drivers than resort to driving a Mustang myself. Instead, when I turn in the CL-S next April, I'll be moving over to BMW, Audi or MB.



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'01 CL-S|Sundance Gold|Spoiler|35% Tint|Bridgestone Potenza RE730 225/45/17
a study in pimp daddy gold

WebToker

They call me the Mustang killer here now!!! LOL, I was racing this one 2001 GT auto last night from 0 - 70 and after 3 spankings he finally said, “Man that is the fastest Acura I have seen in Houston!" Now that’s what I am talking about. Not only do I ride in comfort but I surprise a lot of people which is very cool.