I did some searching this weekend and found the Toyo Proxes T1-S in a 215/50/17, our stock size. I am just wondering why nobody here has them. Tires have been an issue here for a while. I would think a T1-S in the stock would solve quite a few problems.


Anyway for $140.00 each I'm going for it.....

 

Wouldn't it be better to get a bigger size tire? I don't know...that is what I am personally doing when my stock tires wear out...some 235/45/17s on the stock rim. Check out YuppieCL's post here http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...threadid=70546. This is a post worth noting:

HERES THE SPECS FOR THE 235-45-17

Compared to stock, 235-45-17s @ 60mph, tire RPM is 796 vs. 792 stock. Actual speed is 60mph. Ride height difference is -0.065".

Tire rollout: 78.58" compared to stocks' 78.98"
Tire height: 29.33" compared to stocks' 29.46"

Wow... didn't compare that. The 235-45-17s are actually the closest to stock than the other sizes.

What tire manufacturers make 235-45-17s? I'm only looking to spend around $600 including installation and balance. Any suggestions to where to buy ONLINE?

Here is the post on the 225 also by YuppieCL:
Stock Size is 215-50-17 and many tire companies dont make a tire in that size.

Compared to stock, 215-45-17s @ 60mph, tire RPM is 819 vs. 792 stock. Actual speed is 58mph. Ride height difference is -0.42".

Compared to stock, 225-45-17s @ 60mph, tire RPM is 808 vs. 792 stock. Actual speed is 59mph. Ride height difference is -0.245".

Which tire size would you prefer?
215-45-17
or
225-45-17

IF OTHER, PLEASE POST SUGGESTED SIZE FOR STOCK RIM.

 

Our stock size is 215/50/17. That is what I would like to stick with. I was thinking about 225/45/17 just like most people because limited stock size makes.
No 235's for me thanks.

 

That is such a shame! I have always loved nice big wide tires for better tractions...but to each his own . Well originally I was considering 225s also because I thought it would require much effort to make 235s fit, but not so anymore. The only thing that sucks about tires that big is the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ associated with it!

 

One thing to think about is sidewall fold. If a tire is too wide for a rim It will shift until the sidewall is straight.
Wider isn't always better. Like you said to each his own.
No flames from you guys running 235's.

 

How much per-tire is the 225/45/17 compared to those $140 215/50/17s?

 

Jrock $137.00

 

Hrmmmm...I guess that is another thing to consider. Now you mention "it"...can you clarify what it your refering to in this sentence "If a tire is too wide for a rim It." Is that the rim or the sidewall fold...and when you mention the sidewall fold...your talking about the black plastic thingy that keeps mud and other stuff from shooting all aound right? Thank you and have a wonderful day!

Richard

 

i believe he's talking about excessive side wall flex during turn in...which is not much of an issue with these...also ...they flex less than stock....and grip significantly better than stock....drag racers may wanna concider 225/45 but dail driving comfort will suffer a little...

 

I mean the actual side of the tire folding over. A car as heavy as ours and a tire that sticky. Now you go into a turn real hot. The tire is going to stick. The rim will keep pushing outward on the sidewall. If the tire is too wide or the sidewall is too tall it will fold.
This will hurt handling and cause more wear on the very outside of the tire.

Get a hold of Technique. He lives in San Jose and runs 235's. Go for a ride with him. He loves em.

 

I'm getting some Toyos this Friday, and I definitely want wider tires than the stocks!!!!!



Looks better, and will handle better as well.


What size is everybody getting?

 

Where is this at?

 

tuleman: I figured that there had to be some kind of problem with running 235s...I guess it's still not as easy as I first thought. Thank you for the heads up. Technique...I have never seen him post here or anytime recently...a new member or a busy member? I figured I will get a chance to see different tires sizes when i go meet up with the other CLers at the BBQ on June 8. Are you coming to that one, tuleman? Well thank you for your post...it was extremely helpful!

typeR: Thank you...I get it now!

 

JRock..
Central California Tire
Fresno CA
1-800-273-8473

 

I, too, am looking to keep the stock size tires for the reasons you mention. I hadn't been able to find the stock size in Toyo. Thanks for the lead. The price is right too.

 

Sorry fellas,
Central Cal. Tire is a wholesale dist. only. NO RETAIL. I can get them though. At this point I would suggest a group buy.

 

Thanks for the reminder.


Anyways, there isn't harm in going with wider tires than the stock one's on stock rims, is there?

 

Not really. Keep in mind the wider the tire the higher the side wall.
Here is some helpful info. The middle number or series number is the percentage of the width. For example the stock 215/50/17.
The 50 represents the the sidewall height and is also 50% of the width of the tire. A 295/30/19 will not look like a 30 series tire. It is and again that is 30% of the 295 width. I hope this makes sense.

 

The middle number ( 215/50/17 ) is the aspect ratio. Which is the ratio of side wall height to width. So actually, a 45 series tire is a short ( not taller ) side wall height.

215mm x .50 = 107.5mm in height

versus

235mm x .45 = 105.75 mm in height ( 1.75mm less )

Also, lower aspect ( higher performance ) ratio tires typically have sturdier sidewalls, due to the higher demands of a ultra high performance tire compared to a stock touring tire. So yes, while a 235/45 might bulge out a little more than a 215/50, I think the 45 series is going to have a stiffer side wall so less rolling over.

Now here's some observations from someone who just mounted 235's last Friday.

- when seen side to side ( 215/50/17 versus 235/45/17 ) on stock wheels, the side wall height on the 235 is noticeably lower , maybe 2-3 mm, than the 215.

Now this was interesting. I measured the stock wheel with no tire mounted using 12" calipers. Now i don't have the numbers in front of me but here's what I saw. The overall width ( O.D. ) of the wheel was like 8.5". The ID of the rim was measured at about 7.25" ( measured about a .25" below the wheel edge). I even put a 17x7 inch aftermarket wheel next to the stocker and the stocker was wider by .5" overall, though the flange was also heavier on the stocker. Then the tire tech took a set of plastic calipers they use when measuring a wheel for the alignment machine and he measured the wheel at 7.5 width, and he didn't measure it on the outside but on the inside of the wheel, a little below the top edge. I think our wheels are a little over 7" wide.

So far so good with the SP5000's. Car looks great with the 235's.

 

I had them on for awhile and they were a huge improvement over stock. You'll love em. I moved up to 225-40-18s, Toyos of course

 

Tuleman,

Did you check the load rating on the Proxes T1-S? The stocks are XL. The 235/45/17 Proxes have an XL rating that is higher than the stocks. What is the rating on the 215/50/17?

 

I don't know why you say that no one has them???? TONS of peeps have them!!!!!! I have the 235-45's on my stock rims. NO RUBBING at all!!!!! The tires have made a HUGE difference in traction!!!!!!! I will have a hard time getting a different tire for my CL!!! I have been assimilated by TOYO.

 

I know everyone has the the Proxes. I was stressing the fact that they are available in a 215/50/17. Most tire threads here are about what size will fit because the stock size is so hard to find.


The load rating on the 215/50's is 1356lbs
The load rating on the 235/45's is 1609lbs

 

That settles it, 235/45's for me.

 

I tested the fit/look of the stock size Toyo's. I then fitted the 235's I have now. They fit much better, & I think they look better. They perform great, & I have no issues with them. The price different I was quoted for the stock size was only $60 lees then the 235's. I figured a wider, better looking tire was worth the extra $60.

 

Yup, I agree too.


You can really tell the difference when you are behind the car, the wider tires really make it look different from the stock rubber.

 

So I guess 225s are out because the sidewall height would be way off for our speedo and odometer?

 

All measurements are for fully inflated tires.

215/50/17 has a overall diameter of 25.5"
225/45/17 = 25.1
235/45/17 = 25.4

Rotations per mile

215/50/17 = 816
225/45/17 = 828
235/45/17 = 818

Overall width

215/50/17 = 8.8"
225/45/17 = 8.9"
235/45/17 = 9.4"

 

Well that was easy!

 

O I C, well I think the concensus shows that if you are gonna spend that kind of money, you can spend a bit more and get the wider tire!!!! They look soooo good on the car!!!!! Well worth the difference!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Get 'em....


1. They fit.

2. The only main issue is alignments using laser calipers (was doing some talking to some alignment shops last week). Depending on the alignment setup, there can be a problem with a little scratching with Toyo T1S 235/45-17 on stock rim, but it appears to be in regard to "laser alignment machines" (so I was told AGAIN).

3. The 235/45-17 don't come off, help protect the stock wheels and stick very well in wet and dry.

BTW, be sure to get the pressure right for the best handling (you might want to try some different pressures front-to-rear. I'm running 39 (front)/38 (rear) at the moment and will move the pressure around depending on "conditions". (40/40, 40/39, and so on)

 

I have toyo proxys on my car since i had it, well afted i blew out my stock 4 and cracked 2 rims..
I get them under 120 in Garfield NJ..
dude tells me a diff price every time i go there but it always around 120.

 

I think the MXM's are better in the snow though!

 

SNOW???????? WTF is that????????????
Is there such a thing here in Cali???????
Can you describe this SNOW that you speak of!?!?!?!