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Old Nov 17, 2004 | 12:21 AM
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Time for Brakes

Okay. I admit I need brakes. Before you guys start recommending big brake kits and what-not, here's what I am looking for:

(1) Cross-drilled (and slotted, if possible) factory-size replacement front rotors
(2) Good quality brake pads to fit factory calipers
(3) Low Price

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Old Nov 17, 2004 | 01:26 AM
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Whassup Ram...

1) It seems as though that alot of people end up going with the Rotora Slotted F/R rotors. You can either pm blxmjx or DeansblackCLS...I heard they've got pretty good deals on the rotors. You can also check out www.c-c-c.net or http://www.autocarparts.com/ .

2) Axiss Ultimate's....they provide a great bite, but tend to squeal some and have quite a bit of brake dust. EBC greenstuff is also an option, but i've gotten mixed reviews from those...

3) It should come to like...$450ish? Hope this helps.

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Old Nov 17, 2004 | 03:24 AM
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Old Nov 17, 2004 | 03:31 AM
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I would say rotora's also, and i think the axis ultimates are cheap and good. The only thing i can push you away from is Hawk pads. I and 2 other people i know have had them. They are great at first, then they are really loud and the smoothness goes away, plus they fade really easily (HPS pads and their plus ones).
Also, you might want to get some pads for the rear. There isnt much braking back there but you will benefit from a better pad. The rotors in the rear can easily handle most abuse.
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Old Nov 17, 2004 | 03:43 AM
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hey power...when upgrading the brakes, do you think upgrading the rear ROTORS is important? Or can you just do pads in the rear, and upgrade the front rotors & pads?
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Old Nov 17, 2004 | 04:56 AM
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On top of those upgrades, I believe the single most benificial upgrade would be stainless brake lines. your stopping power is inhanced 6fold. just my
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Old Nov 17, 2004 | 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Dem1K
hey power...when upgrading the brakes, do you think upgrading the rear ROTORS is important? Or can you just do pads in the rear, and upgrade the front rotors & pads?

I did the front rotora's with axis ultimate on all four corners, kept the rear rotors and they had so little wear I didn't even put them on the lathe,, it has been almost 20 k miles and they still stop great,,, only issue is dust but the perfomance outways the dust issue,, for me anyway... My total cost (I think) was $300
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Old Nov 17, 2004 | 10:18 AM
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Thanks guys... let me do some research now...
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Old Nov 17, 2004 | 10:30 AM
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Go with a big brake kit. I'm kicking myself right now for not getting one.
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Old Nov 17, 2004 | 04:01 PM
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how about a Legend caliper swap. I'm pretty sure you would benefit from the additional piston and if I remember correctly Legend brakes were suppose to be very similar to NSX ones.
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Old Nov 17, 2004 | 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by power3dfx
I would say rotora's also, and i think the axis ultimates are cheap and good. The only thing i can push you away from is Hawk pads. I and 2 other people i know have had them. They are great at first, then they are really loud and the smoothness goes away, plus they fade really easily (HPS pads and their plus ones).
Also, you might want to get some pads for the rear. There isnt much braking back there but you will benefit from a better pad. The rotors in the rear can easily handle most abuse.
I love my Hawks. I haven't noticed much fade at all, and I tried to put the hurt on them a few times (balls out stop from 110, etc then use them again and again - no probs). Might be the batch?

Only problem I had was the stupid shim plates kept slipping down but they said if it happened again, they'd send me a new set.

EBC sucks - horrible experience with them. One of the worst companies I ever delt with.
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Old Nov 17, 2004 | 07:43 PM
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I love my Hawks. I haven't noticed much fade at all, and I tried to put the hurt on them a few times (balls out stop from 110, etc then use them again and again - no probs). Might be the batch?

Only problem I had was the stupid shim plates kept slipping down but they said if it happened again, they'd send me a new set.

EBC sucks - horrible experience with them. One of the worst companies I ever delt with.
your experience might be different for some unknown reason, but i have personally seen these HPS pads on two mustangs besides my car. One of them was an easy driver, and he liked them for the first 2 months. Then they got all loud and annoying, i think he went back to stock pads.

As for the rear rotors, they are fine. Unless your autoxing i dont think you can warp them. Just throw some cheap and high temp. resisting aftermarket pads and they will be ok. I have hawks in the rear and since they do not get much braking, they work fine.

Proaudio, how long have you had them on for? If you dont abuse them for long periods of time, only a couple stops in a min. or so, they could make it out alive.

But believe me, i have seen these things fade like you wouldnt believe. and only after 3 hard stops!
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Old Nov 17, 2004 | 07:48 PM
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On top of those upgrades, I believe the single most benificial upgrade would be stainless brake lines. your stopping power is inhanced 6fold. just my
Though i only got these from when i did the bbk, i highly doubt they help much at all. I think that the brake fluid we are running will not overheat before the pads/rotors do. So when your rotors begin to warp and your pads begin to fade, the brake lines would still be OK.
The only reason they might help is a better feel to the brake pedal. I personally say that with the stock calipers and stock size rotors and pads, the benefits of the SS lines wouldnt be realized. Also, let me remind you that the SS lines do not run all the way around (at least from my experience). It is only a few feet of it and then its the stock lines all the way to the brake master cylinder. This is especially a waste of money in the rear.
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Old Nov 17, 2004 | 07:52 PM
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One last thing that is important to mention. One of my friends got the hp plus pads from hawk, the race compound ones. They take about 5 mins. in the morning to warm them up, and they hardly stop within the first 5 minutes of warm-up, very unsafe and unnecessary for the street! Make sure you get something that is not specifically a race compound.
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Old Nov 17, 2004 | 09:52 PM
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Old Nov 18, 2004 | 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by power3dfx
Though i only got these from when i did the bbk, i highly doubt they help much at all. I think that the brake fluid we are running will not overheat before the pads/rotors do. So when your rotors begin to warp and your pads begin to fade, the brake lines would still be OK.
The only reason they might help is a better feel to the brake pedal. I personally say that with the stock calipers and stock size rotors and pads, the benefits of the SS lines wouldnt be realized. Also, let me remind you that the SS lines do not run all the way around (at least from my experience). It is only a few feet of it and then its the stock lines all the way to the brake master cylinder. This is especially a waste of money in the rear.
Thats the idea. The stock lines up to the wheel well are metal. What you are swapping is the rubber lines that actually go to the caliper. The rubber can expand outward under hard braking and make the pedal feel squishy. They don't make a huge difference, but you can tell when you change them.
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Old Nov 18, 2004 | 07:17 AM
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I used Powerslot rotors and AEM pads on my old Prelude and was very impressed. The AEM pads are made by Nissin the OEM manufacturer. They were very quiet and totally dust free but were noticably grippier than stock.
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Old Nov 18, 2004 | 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by power3dfx
your experience might be different for some unknown reason, but i have personally seen these HPS pads on two mustangs besides my car. One of them was an easy driver, and he liked them for the first 2 months. Then they got all loud and annoying, i think he went back to stock pads.

As for the rear rotors, they are fine. Unless your autoxing i dont think you can warp them. Just throw some cheap and high temp. resisting aftermarket pads and they will be ok. I have hawks in the rear and since they do not get much braking, they work fine.

Proaudio, how long have you had them on for? If you dont abuse them for long periods of time, only a couple stops in a min. or so, they could make it out alive.

But believe me, i have seen these things fade like you wouldnt believe. and only after 3 hard stops!
I've only had them for a couple months, though I beleive I've put about 6 months of abuse on them. I noticed some fade at the point where the rotors would start to glow. The stock pads were horrible. One stop and they were out.

They do squeak, if that's what you mean. I've always had performance pads tho, and that's just what they do. I learned to deal with it a long time ago. They aren't nearly as bad as some I had.
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Old Nov 18, 2004 | 07:34 AM
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As for the rear rotors, they are fine. Unless your autoxing i dont think you can warp them
I warped my rear rotors
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Old Nov 18, 2004 | 10:14 AM
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Now these I might be interested in . . .

Wonder if one of our parts folks would look in to a group buy on them.

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Old Nov 18, 2004 | 01:22 PM
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For a car with your high HP go with the Rotora BBK, you can prob get it for about 900 new.......itll only prob be anohter 500$ to get it....since your gettin new pads and discs
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Old Nov 18, 2004 | 04:33 PM
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I have powerstop from rotors...they are crossdrilled and come in zinc coating or cadium gold coating w/ axis pads. No complaints at all!!!!
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Old Nov 18, 2004 | 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by fuzzy02CLS
I warped my rear rotors
The only way i can see this happening is with factory pads, and an improper break in period. Care to explain what you did, i really want to know. I dont think anyone has gone harder on brakes than i have after i got the wilwoods, and if i didnt warp the rears, i really dont see how someone can.
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Old Nov 19, 2004 | 10:23 AM
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Thanks - I want to keep the factory diameter.
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Old Nov 19, 2004 | 10:30 AM
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Want to fabricate a kit to use the stock diameter but with Wilwood four or six piston calipers??

I still have the design details from what I was about to start during the summer. I figured I could have put it together for about $600 which would include slotted (and/or cross drilled) rotors, pads, Wilwood four piston calipers and caliper bracket.
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Old Nov 19, 2004 | 10:57 AM
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^ Sounds tempting
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Old Nov 19, 2004 | 11:09 AM
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Thanks - I want to keep the factory diameter.

Why?

I have the slotted rotoras and axxis ultimates pads, and the car stops awesome with no fade, but the dust is unbelievable.
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Old Nov 19, 2004 | 11:10 AM
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rotora rotors and hands down the EBC Green Stuff pads. i have had most of the pads out there and the ebcs are by far the best
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Old Nov 19, 2004 | 11:10 AM
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Why?

I have the slotted rotoras and axxis ultimates pads, and the car stops awesome with no fade, but the dust is unbelievable.
Cuz I don't want to change the wheel and/or caliper...
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Old Nov 19, 2004 | 11:10 AM
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Steve - that sounds tempting, let's chat!
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Old Nov 19, 2004 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by allmotor_2000
Steve - that sounds tempting, let's chat!

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Old Nov 19, 2004 | 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by allmotor_2000
Steve - that sounds tempting, let's chat!
I'm about to catch my flight home (man the wireless access they just put in at RDU is great!!) and will dig up the notes. But overall is was pretty simple and just needed a bracket machined.
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Old Nov 19, 2004 | 11:14 AM
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^ I wish all airports would do that
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I could probably do up the bracket and made the CAD drawing available.
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Old Nov 19, 2004 | 11:15 AM
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I already had the stock calipers powdercoated and the rotoras and SS lines go on Tueday. But Willwood calipers would be nice

Then I could sell the powder coated calipers in the B.M.
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Old Nov 19, 2004 | 11:17 AM
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^ I wish all airports would do that
ATL has had wireless for a while but Airpath never shows up any more. So I just sit outside one of the "Clubs" and leach off their bandwidth.

The AT&T wireless here in RDU is not free. But it is one of the fastest I have used, current connected at 54 Mbps, and my VPN hasn't hickuped once.
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Old Nov 19, 2004 | 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by scalbert
I could probably do up the bracket and made the CAD drawing available.

CAD would be nice.

Do you know of a supplier who would sell just the new caliper?
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Old Nov 19, 2004 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
CAD would be nice.

Do you know of a supplier who would sell just the new caliper?
Yes, I planned on this being another Hope Systems offering but I don't have the time (as mentioned before). But I could get the caliper bracket made and others could source the parts as needed with a reference list of suppliers (or maybe one of the site supporting suppliers could handle it).

I was going to get the caliper from a local circle track shop which is right around the corner form my office.
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