just so there s no question the stock typeS definitely beats an integra typeR and this one even had and exhaust dont know if there was anything else but i pulled off the line and gained distance all the way up

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16" coupe wheels
215/55/16 nitto's
20% smoke titanium
black chrome kit

 

Good Kill, but he will take you on curvy roads

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1990Si
2001CL-S

 

cool...but manual has a lot of benefits in corner..right..actually cl-s and type r accleartion are almost the same

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2001 Acura Red CL Type S.
1997 Honda Civic EX.
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typeR you still think i am indian?

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2001 CL-S
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Black Wood Dash Kit
Currently on TL rims with Nokian Winter Tires
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it's not as definate as you make it seem.. they should be really close on a long straight.. till ~108 of course..

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99 Accord EX V6
98 Civic HX CVT

 

what r u amir???

 

I have to disagree. I just traded my CL-S in on an '01 Type R and going from one car to another, I can tell you that the Type R is definitely quicker, not by any incredible amount mind you, but it is. If you were racing someone who was pushing it to 8400 rpms on his shifts, you'd have had a nice view of his rear end. And yes, in the twisties, the Type R will eat the CL-S for lunch. Now if there were only a way I could figure out how to get all those luxury bits and pieces into my Type R while keeping the same performance.. that'd be the perfect car. Sadly, for everyday driving the ride is very stiff, the engine noisy and the interior cramped.. such is life, eh?

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Sundance Gold Type S, bone stock

 

lol if you say youre not you're not but the name would lead people to think you might be found wearing a turbin



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'01 3.2 CL typeS
satin silver metalic
Llumar platinum plus
tint 20% all around

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'98 ACCORD V-6 sedan
16" coupe wheels
215/55/16 nitto's
20% smoke titanium
black chrome kit

 

...i dont plan on racing on winding roads at all but i do realize what you mean remeber my previous car was a '92 prelude and that cart type handling is cool however from the sound of the weed eater on his ass he was definitely in the high RPM's and i pulled on him all the way it was much fun...i prolly had three cars on him by 100 maybe more


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'01 3.2 CL typeS
satin silver metalic
Llumar platinum plus
tint 20% all around

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'98 ACCORD V-6 sedan
16" coupe wheels
215/55/16 nitto's
20% smoke titanium
black chrome kit

 

Imagine w/ headers.... I got 1 1/2 car length on a Stock Type S w/ my headers at about 80

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Comptech Headers, Comptech Sways, Eurolite Xenon Crystal high beams.
AEM CAI once they decide to make the dame thing.
235/40/17's or 225/45/17's once I found out which one works for me.

gtech 0-60 6.03 w/ 438 pound load. preheader.

 

Good kill TypeR.

Hate to say this but you didn't race a skilled driver. I raced my buddies w/an s2000 and beat him 3 out of 4 times and everyone knows the s2000 is faster.

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2001 Satin Silver Cl Type S.
Comptech:Headers, Springs & Sways
AEM CAI
Muds
Wheel locks
35% Llumar metallic tint
My Car

 

Amir = Middle Eastern / Persian / Egyptian



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*PIAA 19169 Road Lamps
*Acura Winter Mats
*Mudguards
*Mobile 1 Synthetic
*Rockford 500a2
*Pioneer 12" @ 400w (x2)
---Still 2 rims not scratched---

 

I guess since you own one you would know better but when I test drove a tpye R I was not impressed. It had horrible torque steer and did not feel at all fast to me. I guess it would be quick if you drop the clutch at some real high RPM's but normal driving, just felt weak. I had a mustang at the time and now have a Type S and they both felt so much stronger from all speeds. And personally after being in the acura their is no way i can go back to a non luxury car. More power to you and enjoy your ride



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I had a '98 ITR before I sold it to get the Type S. I also thought that it felt faster. But I feel that it is because it was stick and had a very high redline. The type obviously can't ouhandle the ITR, hence the ride is much more better for everyday driving in the S. I haven't raced an S when I had it, but you can see that the trap time is a little faster in the S. I aldo can feel a big difference in the S going from 60-100+ IMO that the R didn't have. Don't get me wrong, it was very fast and I have raced plenty of fast cars (Camaro Z28's) and they couldn't pull on me. I feel that the ITR in this race wasn't really pushing the car (I have found that you really have to drive it like you hate it) to redline every gear. If this was the case, he could've and would've kept up (not that he would have pulled ahead). But all in all I think that these cars are very evenly matched up, that is until handling, of coarse...

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Why buy a special edition car and not drive it like it was meant to be driven

 

im not sure i understand what u r saying you raced an S2000 in your type S and beat him 3/4??? i beat an ITR which is slower than an S2000 right ? did i miss something



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'01 3.2 CL typeS
satin silver metalic
Llumar platinum plus
tint 20% all around

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'98 ACCORD V-6 sedan
16" coupe wheels
215/55/16 nitto's
20% smoke titanium
black chrome kit

 

he's probably saying that you can beat someone with a faster car, who sucks at driving...

like if you made my gf drive a an S2000, and I took out a Civic DX, I would probably win... hehe

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99 Accord EX V6
98 Civic HX CVT

 

hey Type R, come down to naples, and I will race you in my stock type R, we will see who wins, i have never lost to a type S, and I have probelly raced 6 of them, but I can also run a 14.5@97mph, in my stock type R, so i guess i know how to drive it well, i have seen some type R owners only run a 15.2, do a .7sec differance is huge, i guarantee, i will beat you, because once you have beet on auto Stock type S, you will beat them all

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2000 Type R (Full Race)
2001 Type R (stock daily driver)
1999 Mustang GT 35 Aniv(Island Car)

 

this topic is stupid.

 

but i guess your coment helped make it better any way ill come down to naples if you change your name ...correct me if im wrong but havent ther been some cl-S' that have run sub 15 quarters????im not saying a better driver might not have made things closer im just saying it was fun and im glad i won!



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'01 3.2 CL typeS
satin silver metalic
Llumar platinum plus
tint 20% all around

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'98 ACCORD V-6 sedan
16" coupe wheels
215/55/16 nitto's
20% smoke titanium
black chrome kit

 

hey type r, you should have a grammar contest with him! now that would be something to see.

 

You won one race w/an ITR but this doesn't conclusively prove that the CLS is a faster car.

Peace.



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2001 Satin Silver Cl Type S.
Comptech:Headers, Springs & Sways
AEM CAI
Muds
Wheel locks
35% Llumar metallic tint
My Car

 

My point exactly. I have a friend with an ITR and he took it to the track 4-5 times.
His best ET the first time was 15.2 or 15.3.
By his last trip to the track he'd become a better driver and was hitting high 14s consistently.

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Comptech:Headers, Springs & Sways
AEM CAI
Muds
Wheel locks
35% Llumar metallic tint
My Car

[This message has been edited by Mike (edited 03-16-2001).]

 

And what exactly did he have in it!?! I told you guys before....1 in 10 people know how to drive their car to the max.....If everyone could drive like superman drivers (professional drivers)....wouldn't you see high 14 GS-Rs all day with their HIE??? And wouldn't the Type-R with the same set-up put some fear into guys with Cobras?? Oh well...just my thoughts <----I have to throw that in before I get blasted because I questioned the MOST AWESOME FWD CAR EVER....the ITR!!!



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2001 Cl-S Black on Black with Navigation
Black Tint all around (15%~45%)
Weapon-R Dragon Filter
Weapon-R Coil-Overs
Koni Adjustable Struts
Comptech Sway Bars
(sooner than I thought...)
Comptech Headers

 

The ITR does not feel that fast at low rpms because the torque peaks at 7500rpm. The ITR has no torque steer whatsoever thanks to the LSD. I owned one for several months before I got my Type S. I could be going around a turn in the pouring rain and stomp on the gas and there was no torque steer or understeer.

 

I think this statement is what disturbs ITR people... we're not questioning that he beat a TypeR, but he said the CL-S is definately a faster car.. which it isn't..

*ducking* ..close the thread..

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99 Accord EX V6
98 Civic HX CVT

 

His setup didn't change at all. He kept practicing and lowered his ETs.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the ITRs are pretty well tuned from the factory so IHE won't make a huge difference.



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2001 Satin Silver Cl Type S.
Comptech:Headers, Springs & Sways
AEM CAI
Muds
Wheel locks
35% Llumar metallic tint
My Car

 

True. The topic started out ok. But arguing over the faster car, which is almost exactly the same speed ET... that's silly.

Point of the topic. This CL-S with this driver beat that R with that driver. GOOD JOB dude. Those cars would always be a good race, I'm glad you won.

 

cool...


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'01 3.2 CL typeS
satin silver metalic
Llumar platinum plus
tint 20% all around

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'98 ACCORD V-6 sedan
16" coupe wheels
215/55/16 nitto's
20% smoke titanium
black chrome kit

 

I agree with what someone said earlier, you do have to drive the ITR like you hate it, no question, to get it to run quick. Either way you look at it, these cars are going to be close in a straight line, so it does come down to whether or not the driver in the Type R is mashing it out or not to determine the outcome of the race. Both fine cars, and it's perfectly plausible that he did beat an ITR. Mike made a good point, as well (practice makes perfect). As far as torque steer, I don't know if the earlier model R's came with limited slip, but mine did, and I haven't felt even a hint of torque steer, even after mashing it at 6500 rpms in the middle of a turn and feeling that rush as it just pulllllllllllled! Anyway, peace bruddas.

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01' Yellow Type R
replaced an '01 CL-S

 

The Acura-CLS vs Type R 1/4 mile times could have a lot to due with the driver and weight of the driver. The Type R is lighter and will see a bigger improvement with a small/light driver that can really shift quick.

I think that a lot of people have no idea how fast the CL-S can be with the right rubber on it in the hills. The Type R comes with S-01 rubber (or at least it did). So as far as twistys go, switch to 8" wheels with some gummies of your choice on the CL-S. Then come back and make a comment.

For sheer fun of it driving, the R wins. If you like Fangio drifts, get a 50/50 RWD car like a mini-cooper, etc, etc. If you want to scare the heck out of someone @ 0.9g+ with the radio on and the tires making woooshing sounds. Try some super sticky tires on the CL-S. When the passenger sees the speedo, they will be scared, VERY scared.

(written by my Evil twin -- he is now gone)


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2001 Satin Silver Cl-S w/ NAVI

• Mud Guards
• Wheel locks
• Toyo 235/45ZR17-97W* T1S Proxies on Stock 17" CLS wheels
• Gtech 1/8th tank 40F ~=6.1
• Zaino magic
• 14.8lb 17x8" SSR Competition rims on the way
• Sways, headers, CAI comming soon

 

the mini-cooper is rwd?!??

 

The old one was fwd -- I had a few scary rides in some 1300 S versions.

What about the new one -- I don't know? BMW seems to be into RWD -- yes/no?



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2001 Satin Silver Cl-S w/ NAVI

• Mud Guards
• Wheel locks
• Toyo 235/45ZR17-97W* T1S Proxies on Stock 17" CLS wheels
• Gtech 1/8th tank 40F ~=6.1
• Zaino magic
• 14.8lb 17x8" SSR Competition rims on the way
• Sways, headers, CAI comming soon

 

yeah, I think saying bmw is into rwd is a fair statement. I was trying to imagine the old mini receiving a mid-engine/rwd conversion like the old renault hatchbacks. (and the sho-engined, ford festiva(?)-bodied sho-gun -- remember that beast?)

dunno much about the replacement car.

 

The new Mini like the old classic will be a front wheel drive car.Now imagine this since the Integra R type is a stripped down version lacking isulation etc imagine how quick a stripped down CL/S would be if you deleted all the gadgetry and noise insulation.Jens

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When you test drove it, how many people were in the car??? I guess at least 2, right? You and the salesperson, or maybe your girlfriend too. A Type R is only fast/quick when there is only one person in the car because it doesnt have enough torque. If there are 3 people in a Type R and 3 people in a Type S, the Type S will pull from the Type R definitely.

 

3500 lb car. Add 350 lbs, 10% gain in weight to drag around.

1750 lb car. Add 350 lbs, 20% gain in weight to drag around.

The "compact" cars I've ridden in or driven always seem to really get slugged down with 4 people in them (2000-2600lb range).

Family had this tank of a Mercedes (280SEL 4.5) that weighed about 4000+ lbs, and I could never tell the difference between 1 person and 4 people in the car.

(Very good points)

Jens: Thanks for the New Mini info

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2001 Satin Silver Cl-S w/ NAVI

• Mud Guards
• Wheel locks
• Toyo 235/45ZR17-97W* T1S Proxies on Stock 17" CLS wheels
• Gtech 1/8th tank 40F ~=6.1
• Zaino magic
• 14.8lb 17x8" SSR Competition rims on the way
• Sways, headers, CAI comming soon

 

the driver is all that matters w/ a manual...i've seen the same stock ITR to the track one day, the owner of the car ran a 15.2 the owner of the shop ran a 15.0 and the mechanic for the shop ran a 14.6!!!!!

all in the same car!!!

 

Just curious. Did they look like they weighed the same or did they just have different skill sets?




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2001 Satin Silver Cl-S w/ NAVI

• Mud Guards
• Wheel locks
• Toyo 235/45ZR17-97W* T1S Proxies on Stock 17" CLS wheels
• Gtech 1/8th tank 40F ~=6.1
• Zaino magic
• 14.8lb 17x8" SSR Competition rims on the way
• Sways, headers, CAI comming soon