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Old 06-05-2002 | 03:42 PM
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a car that wears 17 inch wheels to "wear" 17 inch rotors? According to my research of the Evo 7 GSR version, it is possible. Can someone explain to me how this is possible. Obviously the discs must be located way outside, far away from the wheels and not inward of the wheel (or mostly inward). How did Mitsu do that?
Old 06-05-2002 | 03:51 PM
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I don't see how it would be possible...

the SIZE of a wheel is measured on the outside...

so the inside of the wheel is of a smaller diameter.

PLUS, how the hell would you fit a caliper over the rotor?
Old 06-05-2002 | 03:56 PM
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Originally posted by soopa
I don't see how it would be possible...

the SIZE of a wheel is measured on the outside...

so the inside of the wheel is of a smaller diameter.

PLUS, how the hell would you fit a caliper over the rotor?
And that is what I thought and made a fool of myself at another forum. I refer you to this pdf off of Mitsu's site. Please look at page 14 of 32, at the table at the bottom:

http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/PDF-E/evo7.pdf
Old 06-05-2002 | 06:52 PM
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I dunno....

But I've seen older model Jaguars that have their disc brakes located INBOARD of the wheels, not far from the rear differential.

If that's the case, then you could literally have nearly ANY size brakes, regardless of the wheel size.
Old 06-05-2002 | 06:58 PM
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For a standard car, no.

If the Rotor is 17 inch and the wheel is 17 inch, HELL no.
As soopa pointed out, the wheels are measured form the outside. Even if the measurement of the wheel is 17 inch, that's the exact same diameter of the rotors, would u have ANY caliper clearance?
Old 06-05-2002 | 08:51 PM
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Originally posted by HellaWhat
For a standard car, no.

If the Rotor is 17 inch and the wheel is 17 inch, HELL no.
As soopa pointed out, the wheels are measured form the outside. Even if the measurement of the wheel is 17 inch, that's the exact same diameter of the rotors, would u have ANY caliper clearance?

Then how come the Evo VII has them? It was 17 inch front and 16 inch rear rotors.
Old 06-05-2002 | 08:53 PM
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http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache:UIRrOSDt4dcC:http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/P...&hl=ko&ie=UTF8

that's the http version incase someone doesn't want to download the pdf.
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Originally posted by Tom2
I dunno....

But I've seen older model Jaguars that have their disc brakes located INBOARD of the wheels, not far from the rear differential.

If that's the case, then you could literally have nearly ANY size brakes, regardless of the wheel size.
Tom, I know what you mean. It just hit me, that I have seen this setup and I bet the Evo 7 is using a similar setup.

Tom, what are the advantages and disadvantages of such a setup as compared to the conventional setup (calipers inside the wheel)?
Old 06-05-2002 | 09:02 PM
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Tom, I found a photo of the front and rear suspension, including the rotors. They are clearly shown. I dont think the setup is what you referred to, from what I see in the photo.

Please download the pdf here:
http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/PDF-E/evo7.pdf

and then go to page 13 of 32.

Can you please look at this and let me know how is this possible? It looks like the rotors are set up in a conventional manner. This is gonna drive me crazy.

Tom, could a special type of wheel be used. Can the offset be some wired configuration that would permit such as setup?

Anyone?
Old 06-05-2002 | 09:31 PM
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These are detailed pics of an Evo 7. Not all Evo 7s have 17 or 16 inch rotors (the RS has 15 front and rear) and I dont know what Evo this is (it is a 7 though), but I know that these rotors are MUCH smaller than the wheels. What is going on?









Old 06-05-2002 | 10:18 PM
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So I got to the bottom of this. It looks like Mitsu is using some weired English way of stating rotor sizes.

When they use inches, they use the minimum diamter of wheel needed for that rotor to fit.

Here:

http://www.lancerforums.com/forums/s...5&pagenumber=1
Old 06-05-2002 | 10:45 PM
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Gavrill, as much as I'd hat to believe it... MITSU says it's 17 inch rotors + 17 inch wheels... how that happens I have no clue...

http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/PDF-E/evo7.pdf

You can tell in the pics that the tire is much larger than the Brakes.. at 17 inch, the wheel would have to be at leas ta 20inch rim to appear that way.. I dunno. I think they fucked up the conversions...
Old 06-05-2002 | 11:07 PM
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Originally posted by HellaWhat
Gavrill, as much as I'd hat to believe it... MITSU says it's 17 inch rotors + 17 inch wheels... how that happens I have no clue...

http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/PDF-E/evo7.pdf

You can tell in the pics that the tire is much larger than the Brakes.. at 17 inch, the wheel would have to be at leas ta 20inch rim to appear that way.. I dunno. I think they fucked up the conversions...
The answer is in my message just above yours. Read it chief.
Old 06-05-2002 | 11:24 PM
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Originally posted by gavriil


The answer is in my message just above yours. Read it chief.
Duly noted
Old 06-05-2002 | 11:34 PM
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no that is not possible..u need to leave a inch or 2 between the rim and rotor..for safety concern....
Old 06-06-2002 | 12:06 AM
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NO WAY......A 17" rotor would be too big by an inch atleast.
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