KC CL 1785

Hey guys,

just wondering on some opinions about the matchup of my TC against the CL's...

Im pretty sure I'd smoke the 2.2, beat the 3.0 by a little...as for the 3.2 I am not really sure.

I am assuming the CLS would smoke me but dont know by how much...any ideas?

Just curious

ghost_masterCL

you would probably beat the 2.x CL's, but not by more than a carlength or two. No way in hell you would beat a 3.0cl. My 3.0CL stock dynoed at 154/148 whp/tq, that's less than 10 hp lower than what a TC makes to the crank, and seeing that you only have CAI, I would say you are making around 140 to the wheels max.

you would take a 3.0 off the line, but so does everyone else but it would catch up to you by the end of second/beggining of 3rd (around 65 mph).

on that note, a CLS would smoke the shit outta the tc.

edit: scratch that. finally found some dyno's of the Tc and I'd have to say stock for stock you could barely beat a 3.0

crippler22

I don't know about the Tc vs. those Acuras, but I did see an 05 manual Tc with the intake, suspension, wheels and tires replaced with performance parts get smoked by a stock 03 Grand Am GT ,with a K&N drop in filter. It happened last summer at an autocross practice at Beaverun Motorsports complex in PA. I beat him by .2 sec on the course. Then on the way home we raced at a stop light and he got beat by more than 1 car to 60 then we kept going. I had almost 3 cars on him buy 110mph. So to compare with the Acuras The Grand Am GT stock would run neck and neck with a stock 3.2 CL to 60mph. It will take a CL-S off the line BUT the CL-S will SSSmoke the GA GT to 60mph.

CL Platano

I never had a problem with TC's with my 2.2 and mine was stock.

tommy020

hahaha,CLS will destroy you, I mean humiliate your TC 5 speed, no matter what, from stop, from roll. On highway it'll be even worth, I guarantee you atleast 4-5 cars ahead. You can't compare this cars. Your closest match would be Acura RSX non typeS, though, it will smoke you too a little.

DaInFaMMuS1

my 2.3 CL never had an issue with TC's and i had catback, highflow cat and V2

SiGye

Sounds like you over estimated your ride.

slamed_cl_on_18z

dude there is no way you are beating a 3.0! if i power brake not even jesus can help u. Ive beaten a 300zx off the line and from a roll. If you dont believe me ask agranado he is from this forum.

slamed_cl_on_18z

sry i put it on those terms but dont take my word for it try them.

Sun Diego CL-S

he was just asking for it by going on and asking something like that on here. the TC is a nice ass car. my friend has one completely blacked out. nice. i would say it would keep up with the 3.0CL though.

crippler22

hahaha,CLS will destroy you, I mean humiliate your TC 5 speed, no matter what, from stop, from roll. On highway it'll be even worth, I guarantee you atleast 4-5 cars ahead. You can't compare this cars. Your closest match would be Acura RSX non typeS, though, it will smoke you too a little.

Yeah the CLS would beat the TC from a stop or a roll, but the CLS would not have a chance at an auto cross or solo 1 event. CLS's are to big and heavy to handle as good as a TC.

crippler22

Yeah the CLS would beat the TC from a stop or a roll, but the CLS would not have a chance at an auto cross or solo 1 event. CLS's are to big and heavy to handle as good as a TC.

KC CL 1785

But I beat a 3.0 in my old 2.2...

KC CL 1785

Ha ha, so I made that first reply after reading the first response...

First off, I KNOW I would smoke a 2.2cl, I had/have one (sold it too dad)...quarter mile alone the TC is a winner

As for the 3.0 I cant really do anything other than speculate, I did beat a modded 3.0 when I had my 2.2 and he was on this forum, now I raced a completely random person on the street and was beaten by a decent amount...

I love the CL but it seems like you guys take offense to the idea of being beat by a Scion...keep in mind that I had/have both cars and still love the Acura more than the tC.

You guys make me laugh...I suppose you think the CLS would beat my blown s2k?

tommy020

put performance shocks and springs on cls, and forget about what you just said.

tommy020

if we talk about blown, so yes blown 6 speed cls would take your s2k

KC CL 1785

blown cls vs. blown s2k? Have never run into a blown CLS, but Im sure that would be a nice race...what are the numbers on a blown CLS? Im guessing 3 somethin at the wheels? The s2k is a lot lighter and is faster than shit if you drive it right...but the CLS is soooo much nicer on the inside...

blingbling69k69k

sry 3 of my friends have TCs... 1 is stocked, and 1 is a 5 speed wit da TRD sports package.... none of them even wants to race against my CLS... i can say 4-5 cars ahead of them even from a stop against the 5 speed

DaInFaMMuS1

well then apparently on the streets its a drivers race cuz in my 2.3 i raced 3 Tc's one black one white and one midnight bluish and didnt lose to any of them, and 2 of them were obviously modded w/atleast intake. only won by about a 1/2 a car to a car but still never lost

ghost_masterCL

I don't know what to tell you, but I smoked the shit out of a 2.2 with I/H on my 3.0. Beat them by 3 or 4 carlengths up to 70

subbuzz

<----never lost(or will lose) to a 2.x and im bone stock.
new targets=tc/95ish maxima

KC CL 1785

It is possible that its a driver's race between the tc and the CL's...I have been racing for a while...

Like I said, the CLS would smoke the shit out of the tC...but I get better gas mileage...

mattg

I took a blown & aftercooled S2K in my 75 shot CL-S. put about a car on him from 50-100.

DaInFaMMuS1

You need some gotdamn mods already subbuzz....bone stock =

732xghost

iTrader: (1)

yea ive driven an automatic TC and its def. slower then my 2.2, IMO its cornering is its downfall, but it is still a nice car and very moddable.

shineynitelite

yeah, and yours wasnt even boosted

shineynitelite

my 2.2 would destroy a tc. theres some kid i see on mondays, he said that intake header gave him 18 whp.


maybe i'l go meet up w/ him on monday and race him on video

agranado

duh of course it would. Bigger cars are ALWAYS faster than smaller cars.. especially if its an Acura. GOSH!

KC CL 1785

I've never raced a CLS with nitrous, not a big fan of the stuff...maybe thats cause I dont really know how to use it without blowing shit apart...

crippler22

Wrong! Bigger cars are almost always slower than smaller cars Acura included. Big cars are heavy cars. While weight doesn't affect top speed it does affect how fast it can reach its top speed and how it will handle a turn. There are ways to make a big car feel like a smaller car by using performance suspensions, brakes, and engine displacement. For instance my Impala SS will beat a CL-S straight line untill my gov. kicks in at 142mph. This is because the V-8's HP and Torque over powers the weight of the SS more than the V-6 in the CL-S can. Although the CL-S will handle the turns faster because it isn't as heavy and has a suspension that is more performance tuned than my SS.

Mike

i guess you missed this part?

RUF87

Specs on your Impala SS please . . . . because a stock TLS would beat the older 350 V8 stock Impala SS' . . . the older ones were too heavy for the power. As for the news ones the word is still out as I've only seen estimated times for them.

And don't BS with an old Chevy Muscle car guy like me . . . it's all about how effeciently you get the power to the ground as well as how broad the powerband is . . . peak HP and such are not true indicators of performance.

Ruf

Sun Diego CL-S

teacher, are you sure?
so what if the ghetto-fab Impala is faster. if the CLS had a similar V8 setup, guess which would probably win? i like my car just fine. 3.2 CL Type-S > impala ss on any day for me

crippler22

If your a Chevy muscle car guy you would know that I am talking about the 06 Impala SS that puts out 303 HP and 323 ft/lb of torque. I have beat a modded WRX and played with an 04 Z06 and 04 M3 yes they could have smoked me, but they both were impressed with how fast the SS was. I have drove the CL-S and think it is a nice car but it simplely can't run with the 06 SS with out modification. The CL-S owner has an abundance of performance parts to choose from which makes it a fun car to own.

732xghost

iTrader: (1)

the new impala SS is nice, but a FWD V8??? come on now, whats with that

RUF87

06 Impala SS is not a muscle car . . the muscle car era ended in the early 70s

I'll have to check one of those new 06s out and see if they produce the claims they say it will . . . which more often than not they don't . . .

oh BTW , my TypeS is not stock, so I expect to give them a good run and probably beat a few.

Ruf

subbuzz

soon my friend very soon....

crippler22

I don't recall ever saying my 06 SS was a muscle car. It is just the fastest Impala SS EVER produced. Besides the era may have ended in the 70's but muscle cars were produced through 2002 when the GM's pony cars were dropped. I'm surprised that if you are a Chevy muscle car guy and you like your FWD CL-S you would not like the new Impala SS or Monte Carlo SS. It is a perfect combination of both. What is wrong with a FWD V-8? You took a strong V-6 and modded it to try to make run like its a V-8. Mine came out of the box like that. Plus my all aluminum V-8 weighs in less than the blown V-6 it replaced. Also being the muscle car guy your are I know that you would love the exhaust note! What mods have you done to your car? If your ever in western PA let me know I'll race you.

crippler22

Opinions vary!

RUF87

Actually, I was just pointing out my era of reference. I gave up on GM long ago when they started producing POS cars and told me to live with it. For many years GM cars were lame all the way around. While the Z28 SS and W6 TransAm , oh and the Turbo Regals had nice power, they just aren't the same. Then they kill the Malibu and bring out the current lame car. Current attempts with the GTO, Monte Carlo and Impala are interesting in the performance department they still lack refinement. And sorry, but none of these cars inspire me to come back . . . I wanted something more refined and still give me that need for speed when I want it. Until then GM can wait for my $$$ a long time.

As far as my car goes, I done a few mods to it and have run 14.5s at the track . . see sig below. Keep in mind tho, faster doesn't always win the race . . . I've beaten many of cars that had technically faster times.

That said, I still and will always miss the rumble and torque of a nice V8 . . . makes we wish I had kept my 64 Malibu SS . . . which wasn't stock

I hope that the 06 SS works out and no hate intended.

02 WDP TLS w/ Black Interior
1/4 mile: 14.58 @95.87MPH (pre Thermoblok)
17x7" Konig Appeals SMF
P225/45ZR-17 Pirelli P-Zero Nero M+S
Comptech Sways & Springs
Comptech Icebox
Mugen Cooling Mods
Thermoblok
NEO Anti Freeze
NEO Oil 5w-20
Formula 1 Millennium 28% tint
Pending -
UR Pullies
Rotors, pads and SS lines
headers - this year maybe?

Ruf