jimcol711

Can anyone tell me what the stock 1/4 mile time is on a new CL Type S??? Im thinking about getting one (its a toss up between that, a Lexus IS300, and a new Grand Prix GTP supercharged) any thoughts? The GTP is cheapest and easily and inexpensively modified to push around 280-300 HP. Are there any good cheap mods for the CL Type-S?? The IS300 is kinda Ricey...but its still pretty nice. Im having a hell of a time deciding....hmmmm

BusGradCLS

haha hey man look at the thread i posted 5 minutes ago below about honda wizardry, then rethink on the GTP. what a coincidence! the CLS is the shit AEM intake is cheap (under $250) the sways and springs are kickign too. the header for $1K is the biggest performance mod so far.

BusGradCLS

14.9 is the 1/4 mile time btw whips the lexus and the grand prix

FDao

Average time for a CL-S is ~ 15.1. You probably can get it down to 14.9 with slicks and a little luck.

The best mod for the money would be sways/springs/tires IMO. Headers for $1200 may not be the best bang for the buck, IMO.

jimcol711

What about Cold Air Induction?? i know its reasonably effective on other cars...does K&N make a Kit for the CL-Type S??

BusGradCLS

you can get a KN drop in filter. but CAI (cold air intake) is best from AEM or Injen for under $250 i actually have an AEM intake with bypass valve professionally installed for sale for $210 the intake is typically about $200 and the valve $40 I used mine for 3 weeks then sold my CLS for financial reasons. Have the original bos and all materials. If interested e-mail me rlemeric@vt.edu

jimcol711

The thing about the Grand Prix GTP is that, sure its american and its nowhere near as nice inside as the CL-Type S...infact the interior is kinda cheap...but for $24,000 for a brand new one..its not a bad buy..considering the CL-Type S goes for about $33k or more. The grand prix can be modded with a smaller supercharger pulley, Cold Air Intake, Cat-Back exhaust, and a reprogrammed PCM and do high 12's in the 1/4 mile...and all those mods together only cost about 800 bucks...so it is tempting to go with the GTP!!! beyond that there are headers available, ram air hoods, etc, etc...a few guys on the clubGP message boards posted drag strip printouts that show them to be running in the low 11's to high 10's with a huge list of mods and no nitrous...thats pretty impressive!!!

BusGradCLS

I paid $29,400 out the door for my CLS (then I sold it 2 months later for financial reasons.) You can get one out the door with NAVI for $31K. If you can find a 2001 (probably not) you can get them in the $27K's

Nashua_Night_Hawk

GTP in high 10s and low 11s That is a far fetch wet dream...

No way unless it's true darg racer not a street legal car... ;(

tankmonkey

I ran a few 14.8s with my completely stock cl-s, so you prolly don't need the slicks, just the luck...

jimcol711

Ive always had american cars and i swore i always would but in the last decade, imports have really come around with some slick styling and preformance #s...i mean the fastest american cars are the Viper and the Corvette Z06...and both are at least 55k..the viper can be in the 80k range...and for half that price, you can get a pretty competitive import (competitive with the Z06 at least...not much can touch a viper) the Z06 has 405 HP and does low 13's stock..thats not as impressive as i would have hoped for out of the top of the line corvette...looks like ill probably be going with an import for the first time in my life...

Nashua_Night_Hawk

I am curious if ZO6 is no fast enough for your or let us say "not impressive". What do you consider an impressive Performace?

BTW, what import car out ther handles and outperforms the ZO6 at its price or less...

M5 Lite

BTW, people have gotten stock Z06's into the 12.6 second range.

Bluto

A CLS is not the a good drag/track car for $30k.

If 1/4 times are important -> get the GTP and save money.

Some members here have owned both GTP/CLS and can give a better comparison.

Looked at a used Honda S2000? They go for 27-30k. Manual, RWD, ..

ALoP

No way your hitting 12's with this car for 800$

Although I do believe this car to be faster then the CL-S..there was a post not to long ago regarding this same topic



read this post

If you own a Z06 and can only hit 13's then your a sorry driver..these cars easily pull 12's

KJ

jimcol711

The chevrolet website lists the Z06 1/4 mile as 13.2 or 13.3 i cant remember for sure...what i meant by that not being too impressive is the fact that when you spend 55-60 grand on the top of the line sports car...13's are a bit slow...i mean everyone knows that 12's and 11's are obtainable by much cheaper cars (with serious mods, obviously) BTW i just ran across a thread in the racing stories section of this site where a guy got beat by a GTP with his CL-type S very interesting posts on that thead, it seems like most of the Acura guys here respect the GTP...as most of you know it can be running 13's with a good driver and about $1,000 in mods

BusGradCLS

stock 0-60 of GTP is 6.8

of CLS is 6.4

mistacanyon

Agree. I guarantee that car didn't drive to the track. And even with tons of mods, I call bullshit if that car is gettin under 11 without sprayin.

jimcol711

How is the CL-type S on insurance?? the GTP is kinda high for insurance because of the supercharger...BTW how do you people feel about the IS300??? no one mentioned it yet....

Vampyre

OKay.... clear up a few misconceptions.

Stock GTP wil USUALLY (note USUALLY) beat a CL-S, if the driver can launch without spinning. Stock times range from freak 14.2's to 14.8's.. usually about a 14.7 to a 14.8

12's on $800?! GIVE ME MY GTX BACK! No way. The mods you have listed are good for mid 13's, that's it. Also, there are no 10 or 11 second GTP's that we know of on the ClubGP boards. Hopefully have some high 11 sec. ones this summer non-NOS, but for now, we have some mid 12's running. MOstly with custom work (which will eventually be available for GTP owners to buy). I'd say, once these mod are on the market. About 3-4K to get into low to mid 12's, plus about 1k+ in labor. Not bad given that a S/C for the CL-S costs that much.

For drag racing, the GTP is the much better car. A LOT easier to mod and has the torque to kill the CL-S off the line if launched properly. (I don't get the whole 0-60 in favor of the CL-S as all the races I've seen had the GTP quicker through about the first 1/8 and then the CL-S gains a slight advantage in the final 1/8 of a 1/4 run. Meaning the GTP in real world runs has a quicker 0-60. My times are with my extra heavy chrome rims and the 1/4 is slower than it shoudl be since my 1/8 on that 1/4 run was only a 9.38 when my best 1/8 was a 9.0. If I had run a 9.0 1/8 on that 1/4 run, I would have seen 13's for sure. The temps held me back that day quite a bit.

Also, insurance is about the same for me (clean record, 25 Y.O. male) for for the CL-S and GTX. Plus, some insurance companies don't even have a listing to seperate a GP GT from a GP GTP. so you pay the same rate for the 3.8L as the S/C 3.8L.

Go to www.clubgp.com and the forums to look around about the Grand Prix. Finally, take both for a test drive to see which you prefer to drive. I loved the torque and the sound of the S/C 3.8 of the GTP over the CL-S. Only reason I got rid of the GTX was payments were more (very small downpayment) and the CLS had more equity in it already than the GTX. Otherwise, I would have kept the GTX over the CL-S just for the sheer fun (and love) of that car.

M5 Lite

For $50k the Z06 is an awesome car. Performance unmatched, even by the all mighty new M3 which is in its class. The Z06 and Viper are true muscle cars which actually pull 1G on the skidpad and hit 60MPH in under 4 seconds and run the 1/4 in 12s (Viper can hit 1/4 in high 11s).

Now you're talking about cars which are cheaper with 'serious mods' obtaining this time, but you have to remember, once you get serious mods on those cars, warranties are void, car's are close to being maxed out on power and the Z06 is just beginning, warranty intact and power is just getting started.

Braking, Handling, Power for $50k, unmatched. Lets not start talking about 'not too impressive'. Enough to keep up with most cars twice its cost.

Bluto

Call your agent up with 3-4 cars in mind. Get quotes on each. Too many factors to say which is the cheapest to insure.

IS300 is nice. RWD, handles better, slower. I don't know what type of price you can get on one. Search on the board.

Have you looked at the TLS or Nissan Max? Get approved for a loan (or bring proof of finances) and go take some test drives.

tankmonkey

M5 Lite

I thought IS300 was FWD or am I just thinking of something else?

tankmonkey

es300

SLAMCLTYPES

i would not get the is300 auto if you do get make sure its stick because i saw one run a 16 for thats get a honda civic si it runs 15.7 all day long.just get a cl type s you will like it 14.8 stock

moomaster_99

Better wake up and smell the coffee...they have daily drivers who drive to the track...swap some slicks and run 10s...and drive right back home after. All it is a relatively big displacement motor(H22/23s...or even just B18s) with FI in a light car(ie Civics).

NJTypeS

I know some guy who has an 11 second cobra. drives it every day. I can appreciate American muscle power, but wouldn't want one (camaro, T/A, Mustang) for my everyday car. My friend has a 2000 Z28. Fast as hell, but after only 6 months that thing rattled like it was 10 years old! Its fun to cruise around in that thing knowing you can practically beat almost any car on the road but its pretty much only a huge engine with 4 wheels attached to it. Punishing ride and no luxury features at all.