Neech

Speedzones.com

acura1983

good find but i'll still pick a V1 over a bel

Neech

Aside from the arrows (which I'll never give up) the V1 no longer has the advantage. We need an upgrade, especially now that POP is being used.

NiteQwill

POP is inadmissable in court, they legally cannot give you a ticket based on a POP reading, it can only be used for the probable cause of pulling someone over; meaning the police officer must turn his conventional radar or laser gun and clock you.

I'll stick to my V1.

EDIT:

Neech

If the cop is using POP for the cars in front of you and those cars aren't going fast enough for the cop to switch to normal radar, the V1 picks up nothing

Then you're the next target traveling above the speed limit, get POP at that speed - then nailed with Ka to confirm and make legal, wouldn't you say having POP detection would have been nice?

NiteQwill

No, again because of its legality; because if the cop was adamant enough, he would be using laser, not POP.

Neech

What?

Neech

Oh, I think I understand what you mean. If the cop was dead set on catching speeders and had a choice between laser or using a radar gun w/ POP, he would go w/ laser.

For arguement sake, let's just stick to radar w/ POP being his only choice. Again, it would be nice, with the example I gave above, to be able to detect it.

NiteQwill

I agree, it would be nice, I never doubted you on that.

Neech

This stuff looks promising tho.

LaserVeil

fuzzy02CLS

iTrader: (2)

Good read. Still like the V1 arrows. By those tests There isn't really that much of a performance difference between the V1 & Escort. Exactly what my experiences with the 2 of them are. Also keep in mind at the bottem of that site they cleary stated eveything was tested in ideal conditions, in a controlled enviroment. Real world performance will be different.

Red Rider

I'm sure at some point if V1 needs an upgrade, they'll provide it.

Seattle Cl-S

After running around with the guys this wknd in Portland (at legal speeds of course) I decided I needed a radar detector. I just went out and got the X50 since Best Buy is right here next to me. $299...a little cheaper than the V1 and hopefully just as sensitive. The POP isn't activated on the X50 in default mode. I guess since it isn't legally enough to give you a ticket they figure you'll pick up another band when they hit another car in front of you. I'll activate it since I paid for it though...

darrinb

i need to invest in a v1 but i always rather invest the $$ in go fast mods

liloj

i bought a cobra at walmart..... im a cheap bastard

Chief F1 Fan

Is speedzone the company BEL hired before to do this so called "test?"

Cruz_msl

Interesting:

"A laser gun’s ability to target is greatly based on the color of the vehicle. The lighter the vehicle, the easier the targeting. A white colored vehicle is the easiest target for a laser gun as the color white reflects all colors including laser’s infrared light. The darker the vehicle the more difficult it is to target. A black car with no chrome, no front plate, and pop down headlights is virtually impossible to target with laser."

CLpower

the words of Mike V himself about a discussion we had about these tests last year.



Hi everybody! You managed to bait me really well this time!

Well, I have to admit that I have never heard of "POP3".

Our web site has a whole section on the POP feature used in the MPH BEE III Ka-band radar gun, which you seem to have read. Perhaps the "III" from the radar name and "POP" have become "urban legend-ized" into "POP3".

While there have been claims from speedzones.com that many detectors (including V1) pick up K-band POP signals, we have not been able to independantly replicate the same results. We have in our possession an MPH Industries Enforcer Moving Radar that was obtained in the K-band version. In our testing, detectors mentioned by speedzones as able to find K-band POP, can't detect the Enforcer when it's operated in the POP mode. This is very strange. We've evaluated a number of samples of new BEL/Escort detectors (RX65, 995, 8500x50) that claim to detect POP that don't respond to the Enforcer's K-band POP signal either.

It has been mentioned before that Carl Fors, the speedzones owner, has had various dealings with my competitors as well as police radar makers, and I can't help wondering what was going on in the Summer 2003 detector test he performed -- especially with his POP testing and results (same data as used in Motor Trend "test").

We, of course, have long been working on a V1 upgrade for POP. This would include Ka-band POP from the BEE III as well as K-band POP from the Enforcer. The main riddle to be solved is how to separate POP signals (only .067 seconds duration) from junk-signals that are radiated from hundreds of thousands of BEL and Cobra radar detectors. These detector-generated junk-signals have frequency and duration characteristcs that are nearly identical to real POP signals.

It's quite a challenge to give useful warning of POP radars without beating users' ears deaf with false alarms from all the offending BEL and Cobra detectors in circulation. If one were to merely tone down the sensitivity to short duration signals, to mask or lessen the presence of the BEL/Cobra junk, then only strict line-of-sight detection of real POP radar signals would be possible. Forget over-the-hill or around-the-corner warnings.

Of course, with the way speedzones.com and radartest.com compare detectors, line-of-sight detection is all that is likely to be tested. Over-the-hill and around-the-corner warning performance would be left up to the imagination of their readers (thereby glossing over deficiencies of products that are too weak to detect POP beyond mere line-of-sight).

In sum:

A) The new BEL/Escort detectors we bought DO NOT pick up K-band POP from the MPH Enforcer (even after re-programming POP mode to "On"). Read the fine print in their ads or instruction books.

B) The problem to be overcome to gain useful POP detection capability is the grotesque on-the-road interference radiating from BEL and Cobra radar detectors in other poeples' vehicles. Even BEL/Escort knows this since their Ka-band-only POP feature is defaulted to "Off" when leaving the factory (one has to manually program POP reception to "On'). One may assume this is to prevent product returns -- "too much false signal beeping" -- from the unwary.

Oh well, I'm sure we'll figure out a good solution for V1.

Cheers,

Mike

CLpower

they say black corvettes are hard to tag

CLpower

save your ass mods are more important

Louie11

That's why I have K40 front and rear radar and Front laser diffuser Plus that's nice to hear about black cars.

Jonesi

Are the Valentines due for a new update soon? What's the latest version number out..? I can't decide which radar detector to get.. It seems all three are pretty much equal..

MYcarmensita

I didnt read the whole thing but arent the more expensive ones supposed to be jammers so that a cop cant get a gun reading on u?

fuzzy02CLS

iTrader: (2)

What Mike V says doesn't make sense. They used a K band POP gun. Speedzons used a KA band one. Mike V claims Speedzones only tests line of site. Speedzones stated they tested one "slightly over a hill"
Mike V sounds very disgruntled refering to bell/cobra as "junk" so many times.

Rod

Now I really want a black C6 as my next car. And Maybe I'll add the Laser Blinders too. Anyone have any experience with the Blinders they're referring too? And how much they are? If they were that effective I'd think you'd hear about them more often.

CLpower

This was after last years test. They may of changed their protocols for this years.

Neech

The slighly over the hill is at the 2 1/2 mile mark which is proceed by a long, flat straight (line of sight). Mike is stating this is not a normal, real world situation where as most cops set traps around corners, below the crest of a hills, etc and always at closer range.

And Cobra detectors are junk my fuzzy friend! Bel and the V1 are the only choices.