Should I switch from "N2O" to "CT S/C" on an AUTO???
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Should I switch from "N2O" to "CT S/C" on an AUTO???
I was considering swapping out my Nitrous for a CT Supercharger. The only thing is I get more power from the nitrous. 
I dynoed 282 hp & 246 lb/ft with a 55 shot. Now I have a 75 shot which was not dynoed, but I would expect about 300 to the wheels. The (Auto) SC is only dynoed at 265 hp @ 222 lb/ft.
I wonder if the SC is tunable for more power (say 315 whp) on the auto. If this was possible it would be worth it for me to switch. Any comments.
I dynoed 282 hp & 246 lb/ft with a 55 shot. Now I have a 75 shot which was not dynoed, but I would expect about 300 to the wheels. The (Auto) SC is only dynoed at 265 hp @ 222 lb/ft.I wonder if the SC is tunable for more power (say 315 whp) on the auto. If this was possible it would be worth it for me to switch. Any comments.
07-06-2003, 03:13 PM
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Originally posted by Titand19
SC is wack son. Get a turbo.
Not even that, the value of the SC is really not there in my opinion.
SC is wack son. Get a turbo.
Not even that, the value of the SC is really not there in my opinion.
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Originally posted by Titand19
SC is wack son. Get a turbo.
Not even that, the value of the SC is really not there in my opinion.
SC is wack son. Get a turbo.
Not even that, the value of the SC is really not there in my opinion.
Actually the value is there considering what is also supplied. The SC kit is CARB certified, has a warranty and a full customer and technical support staff. Not to mention support from many Acura dealers. Take away all of those things and I am sure the kit could sell for abut 70% of the current price, if not less than that.
That would mean a kit for about $2800 which may be more financially agreeable but after 20k miles and something fails with the kit; the customer has someone to call and hold accountable.
As I have stated before, the turbo is fantastic and an excellent option for those who want more power in the long run. But the majority use the car as an appliance and as such would like to put it on and forget about it. However, I do not believe SFLA_Type-S fits in that category as he does like his power. So IMO, the turbo may be a better approach for him.
07-06-2003, 09:38 PM
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there is no need to bash the s/c, titan. we already know you have the turbo and that you're the coolest guy evAr.
07-07-2003, 01:35 AM
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50 progressive ponies vs. 75 instant ones. I can understand ur curiosity. A 1200 degree engine going from sub-zero back to 1200 degrees 7K times a minute. Yea that seems alittle scary. Although u already know, u gotta pay if u wanna play.
Hit me up on the Nextel.
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07-07-2003, 01:50 AM
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Originally posted by darrinb
y not both
y not both
07-07-2003, 03:34 AM
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Originally posted by tinman
MtBikR is doing both. he's got the SC and is getting a 100 shot installed. hopefully he'll post soon cause it was supposed to be done last week
MtBikR is doing both. he's got the SC and is getting a 100 shot installed. hopefully he'll post soon cause it was supposed to be done last week
Hmmm a progressive 50 shot. Although hard to digest, elevated combustion temps, then taking the combustion temps to sub-zero and back up to elevated temps 7K times a minute.
Ohhhhh this is gonna be fun
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07-07-2003, 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by scalbert
...As I have stated before, the turbo is fantastic and an excellent option for those who want more power in the long run. But the majority use the car as an appliance and as such would like to put it on and forget about it. However, I do not believe SFLA_Type-S fits in that category as he does like his power. So IMO, the turbo may be a better approach for him.
...As I have stated before, the turbo is fantastic and an excellent option for those who want more power in the long run. But the majority use the car as an appliance and as such would like to put it on and forget about it. However, I do not believe SFLA_Type-S fits in that category as he does like his power. So IMO, the turbo may be a better approach for him.
I want reliable power that is there all the time & I do like the idea of support from Comptech. Not to mention all of the hours of R&D put into the S/C. That will be a plus in the long run. The turbo is great, but after doing some research it looks like it will be a very expensive upgrade. I am seriously considering the S/C, but I would like to be able to tune the S/C for more boost. I called Comptech & they told me that is not possible on the auto because the computer will not allow it. I find that very dissapointing. However, if I can find a way to tune for more boost, I will probably get the S/C. Any Ideas Scalbert????
07-08-2003, 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by tinman
MtBikR is doing both. he's got the SC and is getting a 100 shot installed. hopefully he'll post soon cause it was supposed to be done last week
MtBikR is doing both. he's got the SC and is getting a 100 shot installed. hopefully he'll post soon cause it was supposed to be done last week
Still up there in the shop with all you scottsdale boys
Nitrous is installed and they will be tuning and dynoing today, ended up running 75 shot nozzels, so we'll see what she puts down...other than the tranny
Main problem keeping her up there is that they couldn't close the hood:o So I have been waiting patiently while they fabricate a nice looking hood bulge. I know... don't even get me start, I expected to have it back down here and have the body kit on and painted by now, the is also the entire interior left to do as well. sigh.. it will be atleast 3 months till she is show quality.
07-08-2003, 06:24 PM
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what is it that the hood won't clear? 
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Originally posted by SFLA_Type-S
I called Comptech & they told me that is not possible on the auto because the computer will not allow it. I find that very dissapointing. However, if I can find a way to tune for more boost, I will probably get the S/C. Any Ideas Scalbert????
I called Comptech & they told me that is not possible on the auto because the computer will not allow it. I find that very dissapointing. However, if I can find a way to tune for more boost, I will probably get the S/C. Any Ideas Scalbert????
So yes, there will be options with the blower.
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Originally posted by ModAddict
SFLA_Type-S, is your premium gas there 93 octane?
SFLA_Type-S, is your premium gas there 93 octane?
07-08-2003, 10:19 PM
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93 here in Michigan. I believe that is why the 6psi pulley works for me, and why Steve got ahold of it in the first place. We've got 93, and Comptech, out in California, is only 91. I've put alot of miles, in some real hot, humid, weather, and there is no sign of knock. I have a Tech Edge, on-board, wideband o2 meter, and even with the 6 psi pulley, the AFR is 9.x:1 to 10.2:1, so there is still room to tune it a bit leaner with the FMU. I dropped my 4.5 psi pulley off at Payn Tech this morning to make another 6 psi pulley, and a 7.5 psi pulley. The intercooler should be done by the end of the month. I'm using off the shelf parts, and a simple adaptor plate for the intake elbow.
Tom Payn has been involved with AEM and their EMS unit on the NSX. Their tech told me ours would be easy because it's not a drive by wire. I hope that means we will also have an EMS soon.
Tom Payn has been involved with AEM and their EMS unit on the NSX. Their tech told me ours would be easy because it's not a drive by wire. I hope that means we will also have an EMS soon.
07-09-2003, 02:10 AM
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What about the 3.5L upgrade??? I think the cost was around $4000 b/f labor... You get alot of full-time torque and you can still keep your 75 shot for tons of explosive tranny-blastin' power.
07-09-2003, 03:33 AM
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Originally posted by scalbert
ModAddict has a TL-S with my higher boost pulley running about 6 PSI boost (up from about 4 - 4.5 PSI). He hasn't reported any negative responses thus far. In fact, he was supposed to be looking at having additional pulleys made this week; some to run upwards of 7.0 - 7.5 PSI boost. With an intercooler of course.
So yes, there will be options with the blower.
ModAddict has a TL-S with my higher boost pulley running about 6 PSI boost (up from about 4 - 4.5 PSI). He hasn't reported any negative responses thus far. In fact, he was supposed to be looking at having additional pulleys made this week; some to run upwards of 7.0 - 7.5 PSI boost. With an intercooler of course.
So yes, there will be options with the blower.
Scalbert...Where did you get the pulley from, Comptech?
ModAddict...How does the tranny feel? Is your intercooler going to be a FM like for a Turbo? Any dyno numbers yet with the 6psi pulley? Sorry for all the questions, but I am really interested & these questions are going to be the deciding factor. I really am interested to see how 6-7.5 psi of boost holds up on an auto.
07-09-2003, 07:23 PM
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Originally posted by SFLA_Type-S
Scalbert...Where did you get the pulley from, Comptech?
Scalbert...Where did you get the pulley from, Comptech?
07-10-2003, 10:46 PM
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Originally posted by MtBikR
Still up there in the shop with all you scottsdale boys
Nitrous is installed and they will be tuning and dynoing today, ended up running 75 shot nozzels, so we'll see what she puts down...other than the tranny
Main problem keeping her up there is that they couldn't close the hood:o So I have been waiting patiently while they fabricate a nice looking hood bulge. I know... don't even get me start, I expected to have it back down here and have the body kit on and painted by now, the is also the entire interior left to do as well. sigh.. it will be atleast 3 months till she is show quality.
Still up there in the shop with all you scottsdale boys
Nitrous is installed and they will be tuning and dynoing today, ended up running 75 shot nozzels, so we'll see what she puts down...other than the tranny
Main problem keeping her up there is that they couldn't close the hood:o So I have been waiting patiently while they fabricate a nice looking hood bulge. I know... don't even get me start, I expected to have it back down here and have the body kit on and painted by now, the is also the entire interior left to do as well. sigh.. it will be atleast 3 months till she is show quality.
07-10-2003, 10:53 PM
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Originally posted by blackmagiCL_S
Does the Comp SC actually give 50whp? I thought that was for the 6sp? The auto was less?
Does the Comp SC actually give 50whp? I thought that was for the 6sp? The auto was less?
07-11-2003, 07:30 AM
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Originally posted by SFLA_Type-S
Now that's what I like to hear.
Scalbert...Where did you get the pulley from, Comptech?
ModAddict...How does the tranny feel? Is your intercooler going to be a FM like for a Turbo? Any dyno numbers yet with the 6psi pulley? Sorry for all the questions, but I am really interested & these questions are going to be the deciding factor. I really am interested to see how 6-7.5 psi of boost holds up on an auto.
Now that's what I like to hear.
Scalbert...Where did you get the pulley from, Comptech?
ModAddict...How does the tranny feel? Is your intercooler going to be a FM like for a Turbo? Any dyno numbers yet with the 6psi pulley? Sorry for all the questions, but I am really interested & these questions are going to be the deciding factor. I really am interested to see how 6-7.5 psi of boost holds up on an auto.
No dyno numbers yet.
The intercooler will be an air to liquid. Here's the parts list so far:
(1) PWR Barrel type air/liquid IC, 6"dia x 6" long. (overall length is 12")
http://store.yahoo.com/cheapturbo/pwrli6di3ino.html
(1) Front mount heat exchanger http://www.photohost.org/gallery/sho...t=7&thecat=500
(1) Jabsco Pump http://www.pumpbiz.com/products/inde...&series_id=467
(1) Baker silicone hose, 3" x 45 degree elbow
http://www.bakerprecision.com/purosil1.htm
(2) Baker silicone hose, 3" x 90 degree elbow
http://www.bakerprecision.com/purosil2.htm
(1) Intake Elbow flange adaptor. I know it's a bit rough but it works and was done with hand tools. http://www.photohost.org/gallery/sho...t=7&thecat=500
(2) Short lengths of 3" connector pipe, (1)-1", and (1)-10"
(6) 3" Radiator clamps
10-12' 3/4" coolant hose w/ 6 clamps
07-12-2003, 12:19 AM
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BTW, I have another idea on a Liquid/Air IC. I am checking on a manufacturer for the details though. But it may turn out to be highly efficient and stealth.
In the end I am sure it will cost too much to be reasonable.
In the end I am sure it will cost too much to be reasonable.
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