tried to read through all the topics with regards to using the sport shift but could not find the answer. the manual did not mention anything about it either. question is....when using the seq.sport shift, i don't need to let go of the accelerator to up-shift, right? just tap, tap, tap the shifter to my hearts content, right? please don't burn me....i just wanna make sure!

 

To upshift... no just keep it floored. Sometimes when downshifting you may need to let off for a second.


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01 CL-S Black/Tan
Comptech Springs, V1

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Just keep your foot down and tap to shift. Remember 1-2 is automatic- but after that you are on your own. There is a slight delay- you may want to shift about 1 sec sooner than you anticipate to get the lowest times.

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Wayne Gruen
Service Manager
Park Ave Acura

 

Since the Stock torque is from 3.5k to 5.5k RPM. Is Shifting at 5.5k-6.0k RPM is the best or shiffting at just prior to the redline?

Thanks, wayne, for all your help.

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- Splash guards,
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- PIAA 19169 road lamps.

 

I'm assuming you want the highest possible performance ...? all the way to the rev limiter... hehe, or just before that.



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There is absolutely no need to let off of the accelerator when downshifting....


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Sundance,Navi,
md tag- ACURA S,
Spoiler, mflaps, wheel well trim, dark dark tint, nose mask, polarg m6's, lead foot

 

Key word is sometimes. If the RPM's are not right it won't let you downshift, until you let off the gas. We have already discussed this a few months ago.



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Comptech Springs, V1

 

but thats okay... haha, reminds me of SNL

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2001 CL-S
Black/Black
Moonroof Visor
Black Wood Dash Kit
Currently on TL rims with Nokian Winter Tires
My Bitch

 

Well let me tell ya..I have had my Type S since June and I have about 11k miles on it and not once has it failed to downshift, no matter what the speed or the rpm...the engineers did not design that transmission with letting off of the gas in mind...and thats the bottom line...peace

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Sundance,Navi,
md tag- ACURA S,
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So I have been "told".
I have learned nothing with my 15k miles.
So me and 20 other people on this board must be wrong.
I am sure the engineers designed it for downshifting on acceleration. LOL



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01 CL-S Black/Tan
Comptech Springs, V1

 

shift or downshift anyway you like. the computer will protect you from yourself. however shifting once limiter has activated is highly recommended

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depends on which 20 people you are talking about....there are some guys on here that really know their shit and I wouldn't doubt them if they said the CL S could sprout wings and fly....on the other hand there are a whole bunch of people on here that don't know their ass from their exhaust pipe and sometimes give bad advice (like letting off to downshift, I wanna race that guy for money)

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Sundance,Navi,
md tag- ACURA S,
Spoiler, mflaps, wheel well trim, dark dark tint, nose mask, polarg m6's, lead foot

 

Acura S: Actually, if you were to down shit into a corner without benefit of at least taking your foot off of the accelerator, and you opponent, heel-toed (yeah, it's do-able in the CLS), she'd have you in the turn due to your bob and weave while decelerating. So it's all in the context of the discussion.

no flame, just point-of-interest...

dee

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PimpDaddy Gold, Deep Tint, BAAAAAD Attitude

 

Okay, okay.....down shit ---- downshift!

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PimpDaddy Gold, Deep Tint, BAAAAAD Attitude

 

peace

[This message has been edited by Acura S (edited 03-10-2001).]

 

You want to shift a bit higher than 5.5-60k RPM. I've watched the GTECH peak G-Force readings *and* the max acceleration (in my car -- stock except for tires) is in the 3.5-5.5K range (In the "flat" part of the torque curve). So, one would think that it would make sense to shift to get into the area of max acceleration. However, there is a trade off here. You want max acceleration, but you also want to get into the next gear's sweet spot. My car shifts at about 6600 with my foot in it *and* SS Mode engaged, and I've gotten great 0..60 times just starting off in D4. (I have the sticky Toyos on, so I don't burn a lot of rubber on street starts, so this may skew the results -- just my opinion with my various tests)

BTW -- If you had the Comptech headers added with the extended toque curve and HP peak, you would probably get the best result running right to 6900 rpm.

Note: there is a calculator on the NHRA site that will allow you to figure out the best shift point based on a dyno curve. If you go to the Comptech site and get the stock torque data, you can go to the following link to compute your optimum shift points. (You will need to check your owners manual, car mag (C/D, R/T, MotorTrend CLS issues), or other source for the gear ratios of our car.)

Calculating Optimum Shift Points

Hope this helps a bit...

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[This message has been edited by EricL (edited 03-10-2001).]

 

Okay, since it's obvious you don't have the knowledge necessary to follow what I'm saying I'll first break down Heel-Toe, then I'll go on to explain to your stupid ass in further detail as to how it's accomplished...

Heel-toe is a method by which you downshift in such a way as to get into the lower gear without the jerk (appropriate) commonly associated with it. (that's the explanation part...you still with us...)

It's accomplished by tapping down on the SS. There will be about a 2 sec delay, so you have to time it pretty well. During the aforesaid delay, tap the accelerator just enough to get the RPM (that's revolutions per minute) high enough so when the lower gear engages VIOLA no jerk.

BTW, before you name someone a moron...at least do a little thinking first...it makes for alot less shoe leather in your mouth.

As for why...you didn't say drag race. A race involving a turn (for whatever reason) can employ the Heel-Toe method of downshifting...but you knew that already, right?

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PimpDaddy Gold, Deep Tint, BAAAAAD Attitude

 

I have some flames in my time, so I'm no saint. But would you mind putting a quote, so it is easy to see who a response is targeted to. Just a humble request.




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2001 Satin Silver Cl-S w/ NAVI

• Mud Guards
• Wheel locks
• Toyo 235/45ZR17-97W* T1S Proxies on Stock 17" CLS wheels
• Gtech 1/8th tank 40F ~=6.1
• Zaino magic
• Sways, headers, CAI comming soon

 

Eric: Sorry 'bout that. That's to His Imperial Majesty, Acura S.


dee

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PimpDaddy Gold, Deep Tint, BAAAAAD Attitude

 

Eric: Actually, I shouldn't have even responded at all. I was merely making an observation, and specifically indicated that it wasn't a flame, when he chose to flame me. I should have just ignored it altogether. Sorry everyone had to see that bit of childishness on my part.

peace,

dee

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PimpDaddy Gold, Deep Tint, BAAAAAD Attitude

 

I ran the calcs using the gear rations from the acura.com site and used the torque figures from the AEM CAI graph (stock) and I got the following results from the NHRA shift page I posted above:

Calculated Optimum Shift Points

The table below shows your results based on the information you provided on the previous page. Your best shift point will be the RPM where there is the least change in torque between shifts.


Your best shift points are:

Best shift point for the 1-2 shift is 7000 with a LOSS of 82 Lb/Ft of torque.

Best shift point for the 2-3 shift is 7000 with a LOSS of 36 Lb/Ft of torque.

Best shift point for the 3-4 shift is 7000 with a LOSS of 27 Lb/Ft of torque.

Best shift point for the 4-5 shift is 7000 with a LOSS of 27 Lb/Ft of torque.



And here is the link to the thread with the torque curve of AEM CAI vs. stock that I used for torque data:

http://www.acura-cl.com/ubb/Archives...-1-001746.html


I filled in the data all the way to 7000 rpm.



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2001 Satin Silver Cl-S w/ NAVI

• Mud Guards
• Wheel locks
• Toyo 235/45ZR17-97W* T1S Proxies on Stock 17" CLS wheels
• Gtech 1/8th tank 40F ~=6.1
• Zaino magic
• Sways, headers, CAI comming soon

 

EricL,

Thanks for the the help.


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Black, Ebony, 3.2 CL Type-S.
- Acura NAV.
- 3M clear bra (full front bumper, and side mirros)
- Wheels locks.
- Mooonroof visor
- Splash guards,
- Winter mats,
- Trunk liner,
- Acura Spoiler.
- Valentine V1 Radar Locator.
- PIAA 19169 road lamps.

 

I love when someone like you puts your nose where it had no business, and then tries to sound cute by calling someone "his royal highness", or tries to throw around terms that you think aply to the conversation. And as for being childish, remember you are the one that started the whole thing, no one was talking to you. If you weren't trying to flame someone you would not have even posted the word "flame". As far as knowing something about driving, your definition of a heel-toe manuver is not even close... I'm sure anyone on this board would love to race you for a little money if you require a "2 second delay to downshift" and your "getting out of your accelerator"....I don't like arguing with anyone, and I won't argue with anyone else on this site, like I said you started this with your original comments...YSF



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Sundance,Navi,
md tag- ACURA S,
Spoiler, mflaps, wheel well trim, dark dark tint, nose mask, polarg m6's, lead foot

 

SmoothJyzz, ...... LIKE I SAID you do NOT have to heel toe in a Type S,
unless yours has a clutch...

http://www.turnfast.com/tech_driving..._heeltoe.lasso

s

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