Harrisonk531616

Just wanted to know the number of people who did not upgrade their fuel injectors.
The performance shop thats planning to tune my car said to me "we will not touch your car with the stock injectors, its just going to blow up".

So who here has tune their cars successfully with Emanange and the stock injectors?

Is it possible to run Intercooler and HBP with the stock injectors?


I know some guys run the oem AP1 Injectors..
I found this on Ebay; AP1 440cc injectors; what do you guys think?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/RC-Fu...spagenameZWD1V

Nitin

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Me! I have the SC with HBP and am tuned with Emanage. I'm still using my stock injectors. I am barely getting by as is, so I would definitely recommend you upgrade the injectors if you get the intercooler as well.

Harrisonk531616

dam..isn't that alot of strain on the injectors? no detonation?

foreveraflboy

Over two years now with the HBP on the SC. I'm using just a simple fuel map on e-managment and nothing more but I do have the IC. Anyway, stock injectors are still working for me.

EL19

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the stock injectors are pretty good. anything past the HBP they cant handle but for piece of mind you could easily run s2000 injectors and not have to worry about the injectors until u hit over 20PSI which wont happen with a SC. I'm running the standard boost pulley and stock injectors and its getting more than enough fuel.

Allout

Stock injectors, HBP, E-Manage blue here too. Running 91 octane California crap fuel also.

Put down 319.7 whp and 279.9 lb/ft

Harrisonk531616

what do you mean simple fuel map on emanagment?
My friend gave me an emanage blue brand new. So once i plug it in theres a basic fuel map i can run off of?
if not; once i plug in the boomslang is it safe enough for me to drive it to the tuners? i'm new with the piggy backs...thanks alot for your help guys (=

Harrisonk531616

Are you emanaged tuned?

Harrisonk531616

i always thought we put down 310-20whp with the standard pulley and headers and such...hmm guess i was wrong...lol

didn't know we had to tune and get hbp to even hit the 300whp mark.

Allout

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=190549

EL19

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nope no tune just the esm provided by comptech. I will be getting tuned in a few weeks

rondog

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stock injectors here, but I have the standard 3 lb pulley. I can see why they would suggest them, when the blower isn't connected, the fuel pressure guage doesn't pass 20-40 psi, when the blower is working, it goes past 100 psi.

Nitin

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I had my HBP installed when I still had the Comptech ESM in. I didn't get the Emanage installed and tuned until a few days later, so you should be fine.

foreveraflboy

the e-managment doesn't come with any map already loaded it will be up to you and or your shop to come up with ones that work for you....basically you will have to tune it for your car. If your lucky your shop might have already tuned on a CL with the set up your going for or maybe one of the members on here might be willing to sell you their map. This would give your tunner a starting point and save you time and money on the dyno.

'01White3.2CL

well no, 6speed has bout 305WHP with stock S/C pulley [3psi] which means 369HP at crank.

HBP and tune will get you 320-325WHP [5-6psi] 387-393HP crank

if you go 8-9psi and IC you will see very close to 400WHP. ~480HP crank

but why? just get thinjim's turbo kit if you want 400 or more. I think the 320whp mark is perfect/on the high side for this car...if you want insane power, sell your CL now.

sorry cant answer bout injectors tho but i think you got enough above...

krisdlm

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im only in the high 290s bc the damn cel wont go off.

Harrisonk531616

whats your light for?

I'm still have a couple of problems myself; i have a misfire @ cylinder 1 and p1399
I just ordered a set of coils from the dealer and a brand new set of plugs. Since i have to take out my blower to check the plugs, isaid to myself why not just change the coils while im at it lol. not bad; $230 for all 6 shipped. So..we'll see from there.

As for the injectors; people running the HBP with the stock injectors are brave!1s
can our stock 40psi injectors handle an extra 60+psi?

Harrisonk531616

who did your fuel map? you have your IMRC disconnecteD?

foreveraflboy

A shop here in Crestview, Fl called Adams Automotive.

I don't know where 01white3.2 is getting 400whp from cause I'm pushing 345whp with an 11.5/12 AFR. Like I said over two years now with no problems. I've been told that with a little more turning I could possible see 375whp but might sacrafice reliability.

Allout

He's talking about Scalbert if I'm correct. Scalbert built 5 custom air to water aftercoolers that replaced the upper intake. He put down some serious power and showed what the SC was capable of.

jproy

I am running the stock injectors

krisdlm

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I have codes P0301 thru P0306, P1399, P0133. I talked to Shad at Driving Ambition and I think we've come up w/ an idea of what the problem may be: an upside down intake manifold upper cover or clogged EGR ports

Allout

I throw those codes periodically too - misfires. I can reset the codes and be fine for months. Never figured out the cause though. Weak coils?

foreveraflboy

Allout- I have one of his units.....I know he been gone awhile but do you happen to know about the reliability of pushing 400whp with this set up?

Harrisonk531616

what do you mean unside down intake manifold cover?

im going pull up my plenum and gutt it out; from my understanding all we do is stick a q-tip through the port right?

another note was; i pulled out my cylinder one spark plug and it had a whitish finishl indicating it is running lean. my car also has a very slight miss at idle. I dont know why my car would be running lean. all you guys seems to bgetting enough fuel with ur setups on stock injectors.

should i just throw on the ap1 injectors and call it a day?

Allout

ThinJim who was putting down around 460whp (I think) had his turbo kit tuned very well and didn't have any problems. I also think ThinJim's ability is well above average so I don't think everyone is capable of extracting the power he did safely.

For most of us, I don't think reliability and 400whp on stock internals can be used in the same sentence if you're using the 400whp regularly. I think 400whp is definitely achievable but my feeling is that it will shorten the longevity of the motor. I also think that it's on the upper limits of what the stock motor can take and anything that goes wrong can ruin the motor.

If you've got one of his setups, it's the way to go though. It'll give you more margin of safety. Your 350whp will be easier on the motor than my 320whp just because the aftercooler will pull alot of the heat out of the boosted air and we all know heat kills.

Accord_V6_400m

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Yeah our coils are weird like that ideally they start off with resistance in the 1750-1850 range and it gets bad when its 1950 and past 2000ohm.

I know heat will raise the resistance of the coils temporarily i've tried it with a heat gun and a voltmeter set to measure resistance. Im going to test those same coils again now and see if they sustained any permanent heat damage that would not allow the resistance to go back dow to stock levels after it cools down.

Accord_V6_400m

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Well the heat is horrible just wondering what it does to combustion pressures since its hotter but then again the aftercooled air is denser so I would hope the majority of power gains he sees is from the ability to have more air and fuel at any given time, and not just better ignition timing and AFR's. So I still think hes putting down more of a beating on his motor but I don't think its by much and its probably worth it

krisdlm

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its forever a mystery!

krisdlm

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[QUOTE=Harrisonk531616]what do you mean unside down intake manifold cover?

i mean, the upper cover gasket may be installed wrong. There is supposed to be a gasket locating tab sticking out on the gasket at the throttle body end of the intake manifold after u take off the engine bay cover. If there isn't a tab that means the gasket was installed upside down and needs to be replaced.

Harrisonk531616

[QUOTE=krisdlm]i see my tabs....maybe the gasket is bad; cause i pulled off the i/m multiple times during the s/c install; beacuse i had the spacers and had to remove everything.

so the verdict is im running lean; and i dont know why but im guessing injectors..
$120 each for the s2k ones; should i do it guys?

SIRSIG

are you still on your underdrive UR crank pulley or stock size crank pulley?

Harrisonk531616

put my stock pulley back on..

another factor could be the P2R intake plenums? could it be that its holding more air in the Intake manifold?

sidenote for SIRSIG; you have one bad ass accord; done up very nicely.

'01White3.2CL

sorry i didnt check back in this thread for awhile, but after a year of studying certain setups, i believe a S/C and IC'ed CL at 8-9 psi would be a little under 400Whp...if it was a 6speed, sorry i didn't mention that all those #'s were for 6speeds who lose 17.31% drivetrain loss vs. 25% of the auto!

reading all these problems makes me really relieved. I was keeping a secret from you guys all along, but I'll just say it now: I was supposed to buy a 6speed CL no navi S/C'ed to 303Whp and the guy had HBP in hand. it had 60,000miles and he wanted $15,000. It just fell through b/c he had a CEL problem...

now my plan is to keep my 2001 CL-P [CAI/H] until at least 200,000miles and in about 4 years buy an NSX w/ the CL as a winter beater...im serious guys, stop laughing!

but thanks for all the info...ive been obsessed with the CL for 2years, and i guess upgrading isn't so easy...so ill stay how i am.

o and lastly, good luck on all your guys setups who are having problems!

TypeStylinOnU

i had the exsact same idea as you,s/c my car, but after recently hanging around some nsx's, ive decided to stop spending money on my car and save for an nsx, see you on nsxprime in a few years buddy

'01White3.2CL

^--smart man lol...smart man