ktown378

anybody heard of them?

i think i'm set on getting these, 1250 is the cheapest i've found and they sound good. cross drilled/slotted.

http://www.rotora.com/cgi-local/Soft...html?E+scstore

i need opinions.

RR32CLS

really good shit. usda approved. good price, too.

azzkiker23

yes they are badass.....i got them in the group buy thing....4 piston calipers......SS braided brake lines, slotted and cross drilled huge rotors......and they perform amazingly. they also look badass and give ur wheels a sleeker look....i got the red calipers.....i would give them a 10!!!!!!!

ktown378

awesome. so they DO fit in within our wheels right? stock rotors 11"? i was reading on the site how it may not fit on some cars because of the big calipers.

cdrink80

would u get them over the brembos

civic4982

my friemd has them on his TL. look and work great!

ktown378

cool. thanks for the input vinh. hmm...

cdrink80, the rotoras are MUCH cheaper than the brembos. i think i'd rather save money on the brakes and get some other parts. like sways and the UR pulleys :p

sidemarker

i believe you are going to need spacers if you are using stock wheels...

sidemarker

azzkiker23

i dont think that even with stock wheels they will fit.....i think the minimum is 18 inch rims.....correct me if im wrong....pretty sure though

Red Rider

I have them, AWESOME !! I think you need 18s though.

brian6speed

iTrader: (5)

there is a new wilwood kit you can get for 1750 i believe, you should do a search for it. Thats what i would get if i had the money for it.

BoostedM3

You mean these?

usc

i say if you're going to spend $$$ on big brakes, might as well go with Brembos.

BoostedM3

The Brembo calipers are 4 piston lotus calipers while the Wilwoods are 6 pistion calipers. For a complete set of Brembo brakes (big fronts & blank rears), it is at least $800 more than the Wilwoods. IMHO, not worth the price w/ two fewer pistons per caliper.

usc

you can reason it that way. but you can have 30 pistons and wouldn't make the caliper better. 6 25mm pistons won't apply the same amount of force as 4 36/40mm pistons. the 6-pot calipers should be used more with 14" rotors or greater, else because of physical limitations, the 6-pot caliper on a smaller diameter rotor is just to say, "Yeah, i have 6 pot calipers". (which is what you're basically doing at this moment.)

but i am ASSuming a lot here, i'm not aware of your caliper piston sizing. i just know the brembo lotus calipers are 36/40mm. what sizes are your 6 pots, if you don't mind sharing.

i'm not downplaying wilwood. they're a decent brake company. i just wish they would provide thicker rotors with their applications. how thick are the rotors for your setup?

Smitty

The Rotora's will need a 5mm spacer for the stock 17inch CL rim...

Just so you know...

r10apple

Is this front and rear for $1250?

BoostedM3

usc - Nothing personal, but I was trying to be sarcastic on my last comment. Yes, I know more pots doesn't always mean better, but if correctly balanced with rotor size, rear brakes, and master cylinder, it can be better. Heck, some RS6 has 8 pot calipers on 14" rotors.

Yes, you are ASSuming a lot.

Brembo

Rotor 12.91" x 1.1"
Caliper 4 pots (36 & 40 mm)

Wilwood

Rotor 13" x 1.1"
Caliper 6 pots (28.5x2 & 41.1x1 mm)

BoostedM3

r10apple - The whole set, for front big brake kit and rear blanks, is $1750.

tdtsai

That's funny. When some one brings up the subject of increased HP, most people started asking the usual questions such as dyno figures before and after, 1/4 miles before and after. However, when is come to significant upgrade in the brake sysem, no one it interested the 70 to zero stopping distance, before and after, which is really the most important issue in upgrade your brake----to reduce your stopping distance/fade. If you don't mearsure it or if the mfg does'nt provide any numbers, how do you know it's worth your money? Or do you spend it just for looks? My two cents

NJ_CLS_driver

Where do you get the spacers from ?

civic4982

true but it's not as easily testable for this and so when talking about brakes you just have to expect that bigger is better. more contact to more pads and more pressure put on the brakes = faster slowing of the cars. The numbers are clear and simple on brakes so that we know the change from a 13" disc to an 11" disc is going to be significant.

tdtsai

Civic, dyno measure of before and after HP increase is easier to do comparing using a tape measure of the stopping distance? Bigger rotor doe not equate to shorter stopping distance. Otherwise Car and Driver, Motor Trend, would not bother to measure the stopping distance. They can simply say this car stops better because the rotors are bigger, or this car stops better because it has 4 pistons in the caliper. Would you buy their stories? I think not

usc

Even Brembo will tell you their Gran Turismo brake kits are not expected to decrease stopping distance. Their kits are to provide you with resistance to fade/warp, and consistent stopping distances in constant, repetitive usage. With that said, generally, upgrading to a BBK will still typically yield slightly shorter distances.

I speculate this is due to more brake leverage which allows you to engage ABS a fraction of a second faster than before. This greater brake force makes the greatest difference when the car is at higher speeds as each fraction of a second can mean many feet traveled.

For those who're interested, here's an article by Car and Driver on the matter.

http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=1

Smitty

I for one am upgrading my brakes because of the TERRIBLE brake issues that Honda/ACURA decided to sweep under the rug... I am not getting my stock rotors cut ever 8-15K.

Besides the stock set-up looks like ass when you have a nice set of rims on the car....

JON, the 5mm spacers can be found through DEAN BATY, he ordered a shit load..

If you guys wish, i will let you in on a little secret:.... Dean was waiting for me to install my brakes this weekend before he announced the deal he is swinging for you guys... The ROTORA big brake upgrade will come with the works...(everything except brake fluid) (including spacers, ss lines,front and rear pads, rear slotted rotors)... for $1550 shipped... or right around that area

I will post pics after this weekend when they are on, then you can tell me what you think of the looks while I tell you after 200 miles of driving on them how they feel..

In the meantime go ask Redrider (Glen) about them, he has had them on his car for awhile now and I know he loves them....

Lets not spectulate here... anything is better than stock and you guys know it..

brian6speed

iTrader: (5)

How are you gonna test the performance, especially for the wilwood which is a custom application for the cl. There are only a few people who have it and they arent doing any 70-0 brake testing. I would never do that with my car anyways.

ktown378

who's dean baty? and how many 5mm spacers do you need? i'm callin rotora in the morning to make sure it'll fit the stock wheels.

usc

... is this a serious question?

you'll need as many spacers as you have big brake calipers. so if you're getting the front kit... well, you'll need 2.

i personally don't like the idea of running w/ spacers (because you'll have less threads for the lug nuts to bite). even should you upgrade with longer lug bolts (available from H&R), i would still recommend just getting aftermarket rims that will clear the calipers w/o need for spacers. most spacers are just aluminum shims and w/ different temperature expansion, distortion is just one potential among a list of other possible undesirable side effects.

civic4982

comparing brakes is more difficult b/c of the level in which you hit the brakes. how hard, how quickly, how much pressure all come into account therefore making it more difficult to measure equally the stopping distance. a BBK may be able to handle more pressure for stopping but how do you know your stock brake kit woudln't be able to handle the same amount of pressure on the brake pedals. There are too many variables when running an at home 100-0 or 60-0 test. a Dyno has much less variables. also, it could be unsafe to nail your brakes . what if you hit them too hard and lose control and skid or soemthing of the sort. It's difficult to find large areas to get up to 60 MPH and then slow down. maybe you could test something like that at a drag strip at the exit.

I never said bigger rotor was necessarily better just for the bigger size. The bigger contact patch between the rotor and the bigger brake pads gives more area to grip the brakes and therefore slow the car down faster. Also, brakes catch better when they are cooler. By incraesing the surface area of the brake and/or changing the materials (also slotting and adding other heat dissipating deseigns) will and DOES change the amount the brakes will catch.

Look at it this way: if you're on a mountain and heat up your brakes too much they won't catch right? now what happens when you cool them back down? exactly...

ktown378

yes. it's a serious question. i'm not as knowledgeable as others on cars. if i knew i wouldn't have posted, usc

ktown378

and also to clarify, i meant how many spacers per each wheel. sry if there was a misunderstanding

usc

spacers can come in any thickness. anything beyond 5mm will definitely require you to get new lug screws (unless you enjoy watching your tires roll off the car at 75mph). but to answer your spacer question, you will always just add 1 spacer. be it 5mm, or 15mm or greater, you just buy 1 of the appropriate size per wheel.

sounds like you're getting testy with your response. comes with the territory when you're asking what (to me) seems like a very basic question. so my apologies for assuming that it was a silly question. we're all noobs at one time or another regarding different things.

power3dfx

some food for thought:
i will bet my GS4 with stock everything could outbrake any cl/tl with brake upgrades, suspension. i own both cars and i know the gs brakes are really strong. they are just amazing and have surprised me many times over. braking has more to do then just the actual brake system.
remember suspension geometry, weight, balance, brake force pressure F/R ratio(brake force applied to front and rear of car) all play a big role.

if the GS was as "light" as our TL/CL, had all suspension upgrades, it would have simply amazing handling. not to mention braking would improve better than it already is. (we stop within 10-15 feet of the best braking cars in the world)

point is the braking system can be substantially improved on our cars, but its limited still.

bullaculla

Don't forget, wheels width and tires make a big ass difference too.

bent09

iTrader: (1)

Where did the picture of the big rotors

Smitty

Spacers come in 5mm, 10mm, 15mm, 20mm, 25mm...

Rule of thumb is if you go over 5mm, you should opt for HUB adapters...to be 100% safe if you track the car.

On the CL-S you will need 4-(5mm spacers)... 2 for the front and 2 for the rear... you want to keep everything balanced.

fuzzy02CLS

iTrader: (2)

This is all with stock rims right? What if you had aftermaket 17's? Like 17X8 with a 48 offset, would those clear with out spacers? Or is it a test fit thing? If testing needs to be done, how would that happen? Would the whole kit need to be installed first, or can the clearance be measured?

usc

clearing the calipers is dependent on spoke design, not so much a factor of offset. think about it this way, MOST aftermarket rims will NOT clear the big brake calipers without spacers. your selection on rims will be severely limited. that is unless you choose to ride on spacers.

as for test fitting, technically, the brake kits should have required clearance dimensions listed somewhere on their website (or by the vendor). and you'll have to measure the distance from the hub out to the inner surface of the spokes of the rims. it's not the easiest nor most reliable method to approach it. (at least i didn't find it helpful).

i ended up needing to ride on 3mm spacers for 4 months until i got new rims.

6spdCL-S

Smitty,

Do you have pics of the brakes on your car yet?

Smitty

I am working on it.. I am going to need spacers for my aftermarket rims... I got 1mm of clearance and I am not risking it on that kind of clearance...

I am awaiting my spacers to be overnighted to me... They were suppose to be here today....... maybe they will be here tomorrow......

I test fit the stocks and to my surprise there is even less clearance than I thought... I if a 5mm (1/8 inch) spacer will be enough for the stock rims....

I will let you guys know when I get to the bottom of it.. as for now my car is still up in the air awaiting for some much needed parts.