Results from 1/4 track, 4 runs w/ Xephyr CAI
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Results from 1/4 track, 4 runs w/ Xephyr CAI
Well I got 4 runs in this past saturday, before I had to get back to the U for my final. Rockfalls Raceway is known around the drag circuit as being "slow" - at least that is what everybody tells me. If you are looking for a comparison to a Maxima SE (Poohbah 
), for proof to say another site, look at my last run. I used the hard D1->D2->D3 method on all runs. I kept increasing the brake torque RPM on each run. I spun all the way thru first gear on my last run, notice the shitty time. Still beat the maxima though (that's my brother's maxima too ). The lesson, my best 60' time was with a 2000 rpm brake torque. More about my brother's Maxima. It is a 2000 automatic. His run vs me was his best run all day, it was my worst run (by far). I revved to 4000 and spun thru 1st. We both have a CAI, that is our only mod. When we run our cars, we drive them in from the street, no messing around with tire pressure, taking our tires/mats to reduce weight, octane boost, nothing, this is the way we run everyday on the street. Hard proof. I got pics and slips if there are non-believers, so Poohbah, go shove it to 'em.
First Run: My TypeS vs Modified Honda Prelude
R/T: .668 .930
60': 2.397 2.558
330: 6.499 6.707
1/8: 9.813 10.098
1/4: 15.093 15.467
MPH: 93.54 92.48
Second Run: My TypeS vs Stock VW Jetta
R/T: .713 .768
60': 2.433 2.584
330: 6.494 7.343
1/8: 9.780 11.336
1/4: 15.013 17.603
MPH: 94.33 79.00
Third Run: My TypeS vs Dodge Stealth R/T
R/T: .663 .727
60': 2.490 2.792
330: 6.532 6.833
1/8: 9.817 10.407
1/4: 15.062 18.035
MPH: 93.98 56.05
First Run: My TypeS vs Nissan Maxima SE
R/T: .633 .655
60': 2.490 2.601
330: 6.566 6.874
1/8: 9.867 10.367
1/4: 15.138 15.867
MPH: 93.62 88.51
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), for proof to say another site, look at my last run. I used the hard D1->D2->D3 method on all runs. I kept increasing the brake torque RPM on each run. I spun all the way thru first gear on my last run, notice the shitty time. Still beat the maxima though (that's my brother's maxima too ). The lesson, my best 60' time was with a 2000 rpm brake torque. More about my brother's Maxima. It is a 2000 automatic. His run vs me was his best run all day, it was my worst run (by far). I revved to 4000 and spun thru 1st. We both have a CAI, that is our only mod. When we run our cars, we drive them in from the street, no messing around with tire pressure, taking our tires/mats to reduce weight, octane boost, nothing, this is the way we run everyday on the street. Hard proof. I got pics and slips if there are non-believers, so Poohbah, go shove it to 'em. First Run: My TypeS vs Modified Honda Prelude
R/T: .668 .930
60': 2.397 2.558
330: 6.499 6.707
1/8: 9.813 10.098
1/4: 15.093 15.467
MPH: 93.54 92.48
Second Run: My TypeS vs Stock VW Jetta
R/T: .713 .768
60': 2.433 2.584
330: 6.494 7.343
1/8: 9.780 11.336
1/4: 15.013 17.603
MPH: 94.33 79.00
Third Run: My TypeS vs Dodge Stealth R/T
R/T: .663 .727
60': 2.490 2.792
330: 6.532 6.833
1/8: 9.817 10.407
1/4: 15.062 18.035
MPH: 93.98 56.05
First Run: My TypeS vs Nissan Maxima SE
R/T: .633 .655
60': 2.490 2.601
330: 6.566 6.874
1/8: 9.867 10.367
1/4: 15.138 15.867
MPH: 93.62 88.51
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Well, my quick conclusion from these times is that the CAI really did not do anything to improve the 1/4 timesin your runs. This is not in any way to flame Chris, I am just surprised not to see times below 15s w/CAI. Any thoughts?
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On the contrary. I am looking at my slips from last october, when it was butt-cold, and i did NOT have the CAI. My best run was a 15.161 @93.63 mph. So in the warmer weather yesterday, I ran faster times. Also, I am traction limited at this track. Chris was able to attain 2.2 60' times, that is because he is probably a better driver than me, and he was at ATCO raceway, which can probably afford some traction compound at the starting line. Most of my runs last year were in the 15.2-15.4 range stock. I picked up a solid .2-.3 seconds, not even considering heat.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Big_Pimp's_Type_S:
Well, my quick conclusion from these times is that the CAI really did not do anything to improve the 1/4 timesin your runs. This is not in any way to flame Chris, I am just surprised not to see times below 15s w/CAI. Any thoughts?
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Well, my quick conclusion from these times is that the CAI really did not do anything to improve the 1/4 timesin your runs. This is not in any way to flame Chris, I am just surprised not to see times below 15s w/CAI. Any thoughts?
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OK, but then Chris got 14.4 
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All these times are really not making sense to me because magazines say 15.1 stock and you got 15.3. I guess it was a really, really good day then for Chris! I remember him saying that it was very cold and I would think he got outstanding traction, although traction should be easier to get when its warmer, not colder. I guess you would be able to gain .5 if its a bit colder.
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?All these times are really not making sense to me because magazines say 15.1 stock and you got 15.3. I guess it was a really, really good day then for Chris! I remember him saying that it was very cold and I would think he got outstanding traction, although traction should be easier to get when its warmer, not colder. I guess you would be able to gain .5 if its a bit colder.
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05-13-2001, 10:45 PM
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R/T is reaction time. .500 is perfect reaction. anything less than that is a red light. at this raceway, there are 7 lights. 1 pre-stage, and 1 stage, you must light them up. then there are three yellows, then the green. I pretend that 3rd yellow is the green. i get awesome R/T's that way. oh, the 7th light is the red light ... uh, bad if that comes on
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by silverESS:
stoopid question:
what's the 'R/T' stand for on the slip?? reaction time???
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stoopid question:
what's the 'R/T' stand for on the slip?? reaction time???
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05-13-2001, 10:48 PM
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yea he was running in like 30 degree weather. don't be a magazine racer. I've got a motor trend right here that says 14.8 for a CL-S and 14.7 for a TL-S. we gotta go with our own data. i got proof that i gained about .3 seconds with my Xephyr CAI. and that isn't even taking into account any sort of adjustment for altitude, temperature, etc. I'm not sure what the adjustment is, somebody else can figure it out, i'm happy. 
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Big_Pimp's_Type_S:
OK, but then Chris got 14.4?
All these times are really not making sense to me because magazines say 15.1 stock and you got 15.3. I guess it was a really, really good day then for Chris! I remember him saying that it was very cold and I would think he got outstanding traction, although traction should be easier to get when its warmer, not colder. I guess you would be able to gain .5 if its a bit colder.
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OK, but then Chris got 14.4
?All these times are really not making sense to me because magazines say 15.1 stock and you got 15.3. I guess it was a really, really good day then for Chris! I remember him saying that it was very cold and I would think he got outstanding traction, although traction should be easier to get when its warmer, not colder. I guess you would be able to gain .5 if its a bit colder.
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what was the temp and humidy during these runs?
if it was warm and humid, then shaving .2-.3 off your times from last winter will equate to about .6-.7 during same conditions.
there will always be nonbelievers...don't worry about them.
good runs, i haven't had a chance to take mine out yet. hope to sometime this summer.
when ya coming back down to Dallas anyways? we miss you down here!!! hehehe
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if it was warm and humid, then shaving .2-.3 off your times from last winter will equate to about .6-.7 during same conditions.
there will always be nonbelievers...don't worry about them.
good runs
, i haven't had a chance to take mine out yet. hope to sometime this summer.when ya coming back down to Dallas anyways? we miss you down here!!!
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05-13-2001, 10:59 PM
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Hmmm.... Interesting. Hey, at least not EVERYBODY is a magazine racer on this forum
I'll give credit where credit is due. It's good to see some people actually running at the track.
But here's another point to ponder:
Forget about times for a second. Although your times are fairly consistent, it is not really feasible to judge ANY aftermarket mod by tenths of a second.
A far more accurate method (at the track) to see if you've gained any power is to compare your trap speeds. Any increase in trap speed is directly related to an increase in horsepower. Of course this also varies with temp/hum etc. If you were unable beat your previous best time, but managed to increase your trap speed, then you have definitely gained some power.
So how were your trap speeds when you ran stock?
Also, what the hell happened to the R/T? Looks like he must've just coasted thru the traps with a speed like that......
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I'll give credit where credit is due. It's good to see some people actually running at the track.
But here's another point to ponder:
Forget about times for a second. Although your times are fairly consistent, it is not really feasible to judge ANY aftermarket mod by tenths of a second.
A far more accurate method (at the track) to see if you've gained any power is to compare your trap speeds. Any increase in trap speed is directly related to an increase in horsepower. Of course this also varies with temp/hum etc. If you were unable beat your previous best time, but managed to increase your trap speed, then you have definitely gained some power.
So how were your trap speeds when you ran stock?
Also, what the hell happened to the R/T? Looks like he must've just coasted thru the traps with a speed like that......
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I don't understand it. Do people expect a given car to perform exactly the same every time it goes down the track regardless of conditions? Why are we talking about magazine times and then comparing them to the times we are getting. It really is irrelevant. There are too many factors involved that will affect your times...
temperature, humidity, altitude, wind, driver, track conditions, etc.
So why would one assume that the CAI had no affect on track times because he got around or slightly above 15.0?!?!? Without the CAI maybe he would have gotten a 15.2 or higher.
Do you guys realize you are talking about 10ths of seconds??? It doesn't take much to swing the time + or - a few 10ths.
Sorry but I have to agree with Tom on this one (which is rare). We have too many people living a dream through published magazine track times.
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temperature, humidity, altitude, wind, driver, track conditions, etc.
So why would one assume that the CAI had no affect on track times because he got around or slightly above 15.0?!?!? Without the CAI maybe he would have gotten a 15.2 or higher.
Do you guys realize you are talking about 10ths of seconds??? It doesn't take much to swing the time + or - a few 10ths.
Sorry but I have to agree with Tom on this one (which is rare). We have too many people living a dream through published magazine track times.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Big_Pimp's_Type_S:
OK, but then Chris got 14.4?
All these times are really not making sense to me because magazines say 15.1 stock and you got 15.3. I guess it was a really, really good day then for Chris! I remember him saying that it was very cold and I would think he got outstanding traction, although traction should be easier to get when its warmer, not colder. I guess you would be able to gain .5 if its a bit colder.
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OK, but then Chris got 14.4
?All these times are really not making sense to me because magazines say 15.1 stock and you got 15.3. I guess it was a really, really good day then for Chris! I remember him saying that it was very cold and I would think he got outstanding traction, although traction should be easier to get when its warmer, not colder. I guess you would be able to gain .5 if its a bit colder.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by fbazakos:
Well I got 4 runs in this past saturday, before I had to get back to the U for my final. Rockfalls Raceway is known around the drag circuit as being "slow" - at least that is what everybody tells me. If you are looking for a comparison to a Maxima SE (Poohbah), for proof to say another site, look at my last run. I used the hard D1->D2->D3 method on all runs. I kept increasing the brake torque RPM on each run. I spun all the way thru first gear on my last run, notice the shitty time. Still beat the maxima though (that's my brother's maxima too ). The lesson, my best 60' time was with a 2000 rpm brake torque. More about my brother's Maxima. It is a 2000 automatic. His run vs me was his best run all day, it was my worst run (by far). I revved to 4000 and spun thru 1st. We both have a CAI, that is our only mod. When we run our cars, we drive them in from the street, no messing around with tire pressure, taking our tires/mats to reduce weight, octane boost, nothing, this is the way we run everyday on the street. Hard proof. I got pics and slips if there are non-believers, so Poohbah, go shove it to 'em.
First Run: My TypeS vs Modified Honda Prelude
R/T: .668 .930
60': 2.397 2.558
330: 6.499 6.707
1/8: 9.813 10.098
1/4: 15.093 15.467
MPH: 93.54 92.48
Second Run: My TypeS vs Stock VW Jetta
R/T: .713 .768
60': 2.433 2.584
330: 6.494 7.343
1/8: 9.780 11.336
1/4: 15.013 17.603
MPH: 94.33 79.00
Third Run: My TypeS vs Dodge Stealth R/T
R/T: .663 .727
60': 2.490 2.792
330: 6.532 6.833
1/8: 9.817 10.407
1/4: 15.062 18.035
MPH: 93.98 56.05
First Run: My TypeS vs Nissan Maxima SE
R/T: .633 .655
60': 2.490 2.601
330: 6.566 6.874
1/8: 9.867 10.367
1/4: 15.138 15.867
MPH: 93.62 88.51
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Well I got 4 runs in this past saturday, before I had to get back to the U for my final. Rockfalls Raceway is known around the drag circuit as being "slow" - at least that is what everybody tells me. If you are looking for a comparison to a Maxima SE (Poohbah
), for proof to say another site, look at my last run. I used the hard D1->D2->D3 method on all runs. I kept increasing the brake torque RPM on each run. I spun all the way thru first gear on my last run, notice the shitty time. Still beat the maxima though (that's my brother's maxima too ). The lesson, my best 60' time was with a 2000 rpm brake torque. More about my brother's Maxima. It is a 2000 automatic. His run vs me was his best run all day, it was my worst run (by far). I revved to 4000 and spun thru 1st. We both have a CAI, that is our only mod. When we run our cars, we drive them in from the street, no messing around with tire pressure, taking our tires/mats to reduce weight, octane boost, nothing, this is the way we run everyday on the street. Hard proof. I got pics and slips if there are non-believers, so Poohbah, go shove it to 'em. First Run: My TypeS vs Modified Honda Prelude
R/T: .668 .930
60': 2.397 2.558
330: 6.499 6.707
1/8: 9.813 10.098
1/4: 15.093 15.467
MPH: 93.54 92.48
Second Run: My TypeS vs Stock VW Jetta
R/T: .713 .768
60': 2.433 2.584
330: 6.494 7.343
1/8: 9.780 11.336
1/4: 15.013 17.603
MPH: 94.33 79.00
Third Run: My TypeS vs Dodge Stealth R/T
R/T: .663 .727
60': 2.490 2.792
330: 6.532 6.833
1/8: 9.817 10.407
1/4: 15.062 18.035
MPH: 93.98 56.05
First Run: My TypeS vs Nissan Maxima SE
R/T: .633 .655
60': 2.490 2.601
330: 6.566 6.874
1/8: 9.867 10.367
1/4: 15.138 15.867
MPH: 93.62 88.51
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Nice runs
I have heard a few negative things about that track also.... But it really comes down to how you place against competition and their times. If the track is slick and humidity high it effects everyone pretty much the same. Curious what your 1/8th trap speeds were? Also your 60' times still could use a little improvement. If you can drop a 2.2 in your 60' you'll be at 14.9 or less. I usually go 2500RPM then melt tires through 1st and into second. I know it sounds like a poor launch technique but this car really doesnt have the torque to pick the tack back up fast enough entering 1&2 on a light launch. I know the flames will be coming after saying that, but keep in mind on the stock tires , I have always acheived my best times withe a heavy and hard launch. Mind you not to the point of standing still and spinning, but, partial spin all the way through 1st. If you run the same track a few more times you'll get a better feel for the car and how to run it. I also use the bottom lane(Close to the stands) at Atco , whether its in my head or not, I run consistently slower on the high lane (away from the stands) usually .1 or .2 slower. Takes a little practice once you hit Zen with the car youll pull ypour best runs Take care !Chris
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Fotis's trap speed is actually pretty good. If you dropped your 60ft, you should be able to hit 14.8s
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Fbazakos, what tires were you using?
Did you adjust the pressure between runs?
Did you have new motor and tranny oil as well as new spark plugs?
Believe or not, all these things make a difference.
I suspect these are some of the reasons Xephyr may have posted shuch good times.
(especially the tire pressure)
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Did you adjust the pressure between runs?
Did you have new motor and tranny oil as well as new spark plugs?
Believe or not, all these things make a difference.
I suspect these are some of the reasons Xephyr may have posted shuch good times.
(especially the tire pressure)
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Avenger,
It was 65-70 degrees. Warm for us boys up here in MN Trying to find an excuse to get down to Dallas again ... I will let you guys know for sure ... hopefully I wont have to run off so fast...
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It was 65-70 degrees. Warm for us boys up here in MN
Trying to find an excuse to get down to Dallas again ... I will let you guys know for sure ... hopefully I wont have to run off so fast...
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by avengerjr:
what was the temp and humidy during these runs?
if it was warm and humid, then shaving .2-.3 off your times from last winter will equate to about .6-.7 during same conditions.
there will always be nonbelievers...don't worry about them.
good runs, i haven't had a chance to take mine out yet. hope to sometime this summer.
when ya coming back down to Dallas anyways? we miss you down here!!! hehehe
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what was the temp and humidy during these runs?
if it was warm and humid, then shaving .2-.3 off your times from last winter will equate to about .6-.7 during same conditions.
there will always be nonbelievers...don't worry about them.
good runs
, i haven't had a chance to take mine out yet. hope to sometime this summer.when ya coming back down to Dallas anyways? we miss you down here!!!
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fuck you scott ... i have respect for people who pull .6's with a manual tranny, it is too easy once you know the light pattern in our auto...
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i have respect for people who pull .6's with a manual tranny, it is too easy once you know the light pattern in our auto...
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by CLpower:
your R/T's suck but are avg
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your R/T's suck but are avg
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05-14-2001, 07:51 PM
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Tom,
Must've been those wheel locks you sent me I have 10 runs from when i was stock. My best stock run was a 15.161 @ 93.63 mph (with a .615 R/T for that asshole CL Power ) but I was mostly 15.2 - 15.5 at 90-92 mph. And believe me, I'm on the throttle, pushing it thru the floorboards all the way thru.
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Must've been those wheel locks you sent me
I have 10 runs from when i was stock. My best stock run was a 15.161 @ 93.63 mph (with a .615 R/T for that asshole CL Power ) but I was mostly 15.2 - 15.5 at 90-92 mph. And believe me, I'm on the throttle, pushing it thru the floorboards all the way thru.
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Tom2:
Hmmm.... Interesting. Hey, at least not EVERYBODY is a magazine racer on this forum
I'll give credit where credit is due. It's good to see some people actually running at the track.
But here's another point to ponder:
Forget about times for a second. Although your times are fairly consistent, it is not really feasible to judge ANY aftermarket mod by tenths of a second.
A far more accurate method (at the track) to see if you've gained any power is to compare your trap speeds. Any increase in trap speed is directly related to an increase in horsepower. Of course this also varies with temp/hum etc. If you were unable beat your previous best time, but managed to increase your trap speed, then you have definitely gained some power.
So how were your trap speeds when you ran stock?
Also, what the hell happened to the R/T? Looks like he must've just coasted thru the traps with a speed like that......
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Hmmm.... Interesting. Hey, at least not EVERYBODY is a magazine racer on this forum
I'll give credit where credit is due. It's good to see some people actually running at the track.
But here's another point to ponder:
Forget about times for a second. Although your times are fairly consistent, it is not really feasible to judge ANY aftermarket mod by tenths of a second.
A far more accurate method (at the track) to see if you've gained any power is to compare your trap speeds. Any increase in trap speed is directly related to an increase in horsepower. Of course this also varies with temp/hum etc. If you were unable beat your previous best time, but managed to increase your trap speed, then you have definitely gained some power.
So how were your trap speeds when you ran stock?
Also, what the hell happened to the R/T? Looks like he must've just coasted thru the traps with a speed like that......
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05-14-2001, 07:57 PM
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Chris,
Yeah, the things is, all day I ran faster than the Honda S2000's and the Type R's. They were all in the high 15's. So if you compare to those cars, I was running fast. But my bro's auto maxima, well you can see his time above, so maybe those guys just sucked as drivers. I tried different launch RPMs each time, my best was 2000-2500 like you. But I dont spin much. I tried my last one at 4000 and i spun all the way thru first, i'm sure my wheels were hopping. I typed in all the info from the slip, so no 1/8 speeds, sorry. i remembered our phone conversation and tried my darndest to get my 60' times into the 2.2's. Thanks!!!
~Fotis
PS. Somebody was video taping, and they showed me the tape after my run, we have some wicked forward/backwards body dive. I saw an S4 with the same problem. I need to get these springs in...
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Yeah, the things is, all day I ran faster than the Honda S2000's and the Type R's. They were all in the high 15's. So if you compare to those cars, I was running fast. But my bro's auto maxima, well you can see his time above, so maybe those guys just sucked as drivers. I tried different launch RPMs each time, my best was 2000-2500 like you. But I dont spin much. I tried my last one at 4000 and i spun all the way thru first, i'm sure my wheels were hopping. I typed in all the info from the slip, so no 1/8 speeds, sorry. i remembered our phone conversation and tried my darndest to get my 60' times into the 2.2's. Thanks!!!
~Fotis
PS. Somebody was video taping, and they showed me the tape after my run, we have some wicked forward/backwards body dive. I saw an S4 with the same problem. I need to get these springs in...
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Xephyr2K:
Fotis,
Nice runs I have heard a few negative things about that track also.... But it really comes down to how you place against competition and their times. If the track is slick and humidity high it effects everyone pretty much the same. Curious what your 1/8th trap speeds were? Also your 60' times still could use a little improvement. If you can drop a 2.2 in your 60' you'll be at 14.9 or less. I usually go 2500RPM then melt tires through 1st and into second. I know it sounds like a poor launch technique but this car really doesnt have the torque to pick the tack back up fast enough entering 1&2 on a light launch. I know the flames will be coming after saying that, but keep in mind on the stock tires , I have always acheived my best times withe a heavy and hard launch. Mind you not to the point of standing still and spinning, but, partial spin all the way through 1st. If you run the same track a few more times you'll get a better feel for the car and how to run it. I also use the bottom lane(Close to the stands) at Atco , whether its in my head or not, I run consistently slower on the high lane (away from the stands) usually .1 or .2 slower. Takes a little practice once you hit Zen with the car youll pull ypour best runs Take care !
Chris
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Fotis,
Nice runs
I have heard a few negative things about that track also.... But it really comes down to how you place against competition and their times. If the track is slick and humidity high it effects everyone pretty much the same. Curious what your 1/8th trap speeds were? Also your 60' times still could use a little improvement. If you can drop a 2.2 in your 60' you'll be at 14.9 or less. I usually go 2500RPM then melt tires through 1st and into second. I know it sounds like a poor launch technique but this car really doesnt have the torque to pick the tack back up fast enough entering 1&2 on a light launch. I know the flames will be coming after saying that, but keep in mind on the stock tires , I have always acheived my best times withe a heavy and hard launch. Mind you not to the point of standing still and spinning, but, partial spin all the way through 1st. If you run the same track a few more times you'll get a better feel for the car and how to run it. I also use the bottom lane(Close to the stands) at Atco , whether its in my head or not, I run consistently slower on the high lane (away from the stands) usually .1 or .2 slower. Takes a little practice once you hit Zen with the car youll pull ypour best runs Take care !Chris
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Spiro,
To xero, i know ... did you get my email?
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by spiroh:
Fotis's trap speed is actually pretty good. If you dropped your 60ft, you should be able to hit 14.8s
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Fotis's trap speed is actually pretty good. If you dropped your 60ft, you should be able to hit 14.8s
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05-14-2001, 08:01 PM
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Beach,
I don't mess with the car at all. I want to know how it will run when I drive it on the street everyday. I dont take out the spare, floor mats, fold in mirrors, nothing. I run mobile 1 synthetic 5w-30 and honda filters, i changed them the day before I went to the track. I havent changed tranny fluid and I'm at 15,000 miles. The tires are stock, my only mod is the Xephyr CAI.
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I don't mess with the car at all. I want to know how it will run when I drive it on the street everyday. I dont take out the spare, floor mats, fold in mirrors, nothing. I run mobile 1 synthetic 5w-30 and honda filters, i changed them the day before I went to the track. I havent changed tranny fluid and I'm at 15,000 miles. The tires are stock, my only mod is the Xephyr CAI.
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Beach-CL:
Fbazakos, what tires were you using?
Did you adjust the pressure between runs?
Did you have new motor and tranny oil as well as new spark plugs?
Believe or not, all these things make a difference.
I suspect these are some of the reasons Xephyr may have posted shuch good times.
(especially the tire pressure)
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Fbazakos, what tires were you using?
Did you adjust the pressure between runs?
Did you have new motor and tranny oil as well as new spark plugs?
Believe or not, all these things make a difference.
I suspect these are some of the reasons Xephyr may have posted shuch good times.
(especially the tire pressure)
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I have noticed that hardly anyone who has posted their track results have been able to get better than 94MPH for their trap speeds. For the most part I have seen 92-93MPH. When Motor Trend tested our cars they got 14.8 @96.5MPH (BONE STOCK). Now I am seeing a lot of people runnung 14.8-15.0 @92.3MPH with at least a CAI. There is a "big difference" on the street between 92MPH & 97MPH. These trap speeds are very low & I am a little concerned. Does anyone here besides Xephyr2K & mchTypeS have trap speeds around or higher than 96-97MPH? Please post.
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