Reasons I have decided to NOT put my Comptech springs on my car!
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Reasons I have decided NOT to put my Comptech springs on my car!
After long debating I have decided that I am not going to put my Comptech Springs on my car and will be sending them back to Comptech.
Here are some of the reasons why:
Aftermarket springs devalue your car.
Even though the springs come with insulators I've heard of several people still having problems with squeking. One guy in particular kept going back to the dealer SEVERAL times to fix the squeking problem but never got it fixed. He was very upset that the dealer couldn't fix the problem but it wasn't the dealers fault.
The TLS comes with a preset specifications for alignment and when you put on springs you are changing the cars camber, caster, and tow. When you go to align your car you will NEVER get back to the true specifications for alignment. They will always be off. You'll never get the TRUE alignment again.
Acura spends millions of dollars engineering their parts and has more than several employees working on one part to make the part work perfectly with the car. Why mess with it?
Comptech spends only thousands of dollars on their parts and probably has no more than 40 employees in their company and is just making springs for appearance's only.
Aftermarket springs makes the ride feel like a covered wagon and has lots of rattles and is extremely stiff.
Aftermarket springs increase tire wear significantly making the owner of the car buy new tires more often.
In conclusion,
I feel that putting springs on my TLS would be more of a headache in the long run than anything. Maybe I'll get the sways instead for handling performance.
Here are some of the reasons why:
Aftermarket springs devalue your car.
Even though the springs come with insulators I've heard of several people still having problems with squeking. One guy in particular kept going back to the dealer SEVERAL times to fix the squeking problem but never got it fixed. He was very upset that the dealer couldn't fix the problem but it wasn't the dealers fault.
The TLS comes with a preset specifications for alignment and when you put on springs you are changing the cars camber, caster, and tow. When you go to align your car you will NEVER get back to the true specifications for alignment. They will always be off. You'll never get the TRUE alignment again.
Acura spends millions of dollars engineering their parts and has more than several employees working on one part to make the part work perfectly with the car. Why mess with it?
Comptech spends only thousands of dollars on their parts and probably has no more than 40 employees in their company and is just making springs for appearance's only.
Aftermarket springs makes the ride feel like a covered wagon and has lots of rattles and is extremely stiff.
Aftermarket springs increase tire wear significantly making the owner of the car buy new tires more often.
In conclusion,
I feel that putting springs on my TLS would be more of a headache in the long run than anything. Maybe I'll get the sways instead for handling performance.
Why bother? They couldn't have spent more then a couple hundred bucks for research on sways, right? How hard could it be to make a rod that goes from one side of the car to the other.? Shiiit, i could do that in my garge with a bathroom curtain rod.
Speaking of which, I just placed an order this morning with Dean for Comptech springs at $265 delivered. I can't wait for them to arrive and have them installed. Finally, no more 4x4 look for me. 
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Those are good points.
With bigger wheels especially, the drop makes the car look better and more aggressive. Handling is no doubt improved by lowering the center of mass of the vehicle.
Acura engineered their suspension with a specific agenda in mind. There are always tradeoffs when designing a car. The design choices Acura made with the CL are perfect for some people, but also a lot of people think the suspension can be improved for handling and performance (sacrificing some ride quality), and the drop springs help them achieve that end.
I'm not sure how new springs would increase the tire wear unless you don't align your vehicle. Driving style certainly is a bigger contributor to tire wear than ride height, as is tire composition.
When I aligned my car after the drop spring install, my toe was dead on. My front camber was dead on too. My rear cambers fell .1 degrees out of tolerance. With a tolerance of 2 degrees, .1 out of tolerance is acceptable to me, and I really haven't noticed (after 7k miles) any increase in rate of tire wear.
My experiences. If you've got the look and ride you like, you are good to go. I know I enjoy driving my car a lot more since I've improved the suspension for handling and performance.
With bigger wheels especially, the drop makes the car look better and more aggressive. Handling is no doubt improved by lowering the center of mass of the vehicle.
Acura engineered their suspension with a specific agenda in mind. There are always tradeoffs when designing a car. The design choices Acura made with the CL are perfect for some people, but also a lot of people think the suspension can be improved for handling and performance (sacrificing some ride quality), and the drop springs help them achieve that end.
I'm not sure how new springs would increase the tire wear unless you don't align your vehicle. Driving style certainly is a bigger contributor to tire wear than ride height, as is tire composition.
When I aligned my car after the drop spring install, my toe was dead on. My front camber was dead on too. My rear cambers fell .1 degrees out of tolerance. With a tolerance of 2 degrees, .1 out of tolerance is acceptable to me, and I really haven't noticed (after 7k miles) any increase in rate of tire wear.
My experiences. If you've got the look and ride you like, you are good to go. I know I enjoy driving my car a lot more since I've improved the suspension for handling and performance.
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Re: Reasons I have decided NOT to put my Comptech springs on my car!
Originally posted by BlackTLS
The TLS comes with a preset specifications for alignment and when you put on springs you are changing the cars camber, caster, and tow. When you go to align your car you will NEVER get back to the true specifications for alignment. They will always be off.
Acura spends millions of dollars engineering their parts and has more than several employees working on one part to make the part work perfectly with the car. Why mess with it?
Comptech spends only thousands of dollars on their parts and probably has no more than 40 employees in their company and is just making springs for appearance's only.
Aftermarket springs makes the ride feel like a covered wagon and has lots of rattles and is extremely stiff.
Aftermarket springs increase tire wear significantly making the owner of the car buy new tires more often.
In conclusion,
I feel that putting springs on my TLS would be more of a headache in the long run than anything. Maybe I'll get the sways instead for handling performance.
The TLS comes with a preset specifications for alignment and when you put on springs you are changing the cars camber, caster, and tow. When you go to align your car you will NEVER get back to the true specifications for alignment. They will always be off.
Acura spends millions of dollars engineering their parts and has more than several employees working on one part to make the part work perfectly with the car. Why mess with it?
Comptech spends only thousands of dollars on their parts and probably has no more than 40 employees in their company and is just making springs for appearance's only.
Aftermarket springs makes the ride feel like a covered wagon and has lots of rattles and is extremely stiff.
Aftermarket springs increase tire wear significantly making the owner of the car buy new tires more often.
In conclusion,
I feel that putting springs on my TLS would be more of a headache in the long run than anything. Maybe I'll get the sways instead for handling performance.
the comptech springs after settling can be alligned perfectly within reasonable limits. The same? no, who cares. Good enough that a bunch of negative camber wont ruin your tires? yes. As for your "acura spends millions of dollars" line, what exactly are you trying to say? no aftermarket parts are worth buying because "millions" werent spent designing them? all the dynos people post must be fake then right? and all the people that love the increased handling springs give must be high and/or delusional
also you should do your research a little better, the comptech springs are VERY close to stock in terms of harshness, and as long as u get them put in by a place that knows what they're doing you shouldnt have any problems with squeaking. and the biggest increase of tire wear will come from you enjoying being able to take corners faster
but hey any mod that lets you burn up the OEM tires faster to get some real rubber is a good one in my book
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BlackTLS, you couldnt be further from the truth.....
first of all, springs do not De-value your car in any way shape or form...especially not Comptech springs, which are the best quality springs you can get short of going with coilovers or something to that effect. also, anyone with a brain will keep their stock springs so that one day, when it comes time to sell the car, the owner can switch back to the factory springs and sell the comptech springs on ebay or something....OR simply offer to leave them on the car for the next owner as MOST owners would probably perfer to have the comptech springs anyhow.
secondly, as far as squeaks and rattles are concerned, the TL/CL rattle like all hell no matter what springs you have on the car....i dont think there is one CL-S or TL-S driver anywhere with any kind of suspension, stock or otherwise, that hasnt had to deal with the infamous sunroof rattle, parcel shelf rattle, dashboard rattle, etc. these rattles are a nature of the car, the cars are well built, but not perfect by any means
thirdly, as a whole, sure, Acura/Honda spends millions on research, development, and product design...but to say that they spend millions strictly on the SPRINGS is completely ridiculous... in fact i would go so far as to say that Comptech most likely spent more time and money in developing THEIR springs for the TL/CL do to the fact that the Comptech springs are superior in every way possible to the factory springs. Not only do they offer a much better appearance (look at your car from a side view and try to tell yourself it doesnt look silly with the body jacked up so high ) the comptech springs also offer less body roll, tighter cornering, better stability, etc... the Comptech springs do not make the car like a covered wagon, as you say, have you ever even seen/rode in a CL/TL with the comptech springs???? the Comptech springs easily offer the most forgiving ride out of all of the different aftermarket springs available. To generalize that all aftermarket springs cause the car to be too rough is again, simply ridiculous...every aftermarket spring option we have is different...
forthy, the alignment issue...oh yes....here we go...obviously you didnt do much research because the Comptech springs were designed so that you do not need any type of Camber-Correction Kit...the drop of the Comptech springs is conservative enough not to require a product of that sort. In fact, quite a few owners, including myself, had the car put on the alignment rack after the Comptech springs were installed and it was discovered that THE ALIGNMENT WAS STILL PERFECT AND NEEDED NO AJUSTMENT WHATSOEVER.
Finally, the tires.....well clearly my last point blew holes through your theory about the tires wearing faster, but the most important thing about the tires for the CL/TL that you must have either forgot or dont realize yet is that THEY SUCK! the stock tires are not grippy enough for the power of these cars...they are too narrow and the tread is not that great.....sure, they are all season and last up to 50k miles, but who wants crappy tires for that long??? typically one of the first modifications to a CL/TL is tire replacement....going with something like a 225/50/17 or even better...a 235/45/17 will offer MUCH MUCH better grip and traction in straightline performance as well as cornering.
Hopefully i have cleared somethings up for you as you must not have thouroughly done your research on the Comptech Springs... If you choose to leave your stock springs on your car now, at least you will have a clear picture of the benefits and truths about the Comptech springs that you, up to this point, were very unclear on.
first of all, springs do not De-value your car in any way shape or form...especially not Comptech springs, which are the best quality springs you can get short of going with coilovers or something to that effect. also, anyone with a brain will keep their stock springs so that one day, when it comes time to sell the car, the owner can switch back to the factory springs and sell the comptech springs on ebay or something....OR simply offer to leave them on the car for the next owner as MOST owners would probably perfer to have the comptech springs anyhow.
secondly, as far as squeaks and rattles are concerned, the TL/CL rattle like all hell no matter what springs you have on the car....i dont think there is one CL-S or TL-S driver anywhere with any kind of suspension, stock or otherwise, that hasnt had to deal with the infamous sunroof rattle, parcel shelf rattle, dashboard rattle, etc. these rattles are a nature of the car, the cars are well built, but not perfect by any means
thirdly, as a whole, sure, Acura/Honda spends millions on research, development, and product design...but to say that they spend millions strictly on the SPRINGS is completely ridiculous... in fact i would go so far as to say that Comptech most likely spent more time and money in developing THEIR springs for the TL/CL do to the fact that the Comptech springs are superior in every way possible to the factory springs. Not only do they offer a much better appearance (look at your car from a side view and try to tell yourself it doesnt look silly with the body jacked up so high
) the comptech springs also offer less body roll, tighter cornering, better stability, etc... the Comptech springs do not make the car like a covered wagon, as you say, have you ever even seen/rode in a CL/TL with the comptech springs???? the Comptech springs easily offer the most forgiving ride out of all of the different aftermarket springs available. To generalize that all aftermarket springs cause the car to be too rough is again, simply ridiculous...every aftermarket spring option we have is different...forthy, the alignment issue...oh yes....here we go...obviously you didnt do much research because the Comptech springs were designed so that you do not need any type of Camber-Correction Kit...the drop of the Comptech springs is conservative enough not to require a product of that sort. In fact, quite a few owners, including myself, had the car put on the alignment rack after the Comptech springs were installed and it was discovered that THE ALIGNMENT WAS STILL PERFECT AND NEEDED NO AJUSTMENT WHATSOEVER.
Finally, the tires.....well clearly my last point blew holes through your theory about the tires wearing faster, but the most important thing about the tires for the CL/TL that you must have either forgot or dont realize yet is that THEY SUCK! the stock tires are not grippy enough for the power of these cars...they are too narrow and the tread is not that great.....sure, they are all season and last up to 50k miles, but who wants crappy tires for that long??? typically one of the first modifications to a CL/TL is tire replacement....going with something like a 225/50/17 or even better...a 235/45/17 will offer MUCH MUCH better grip and traction in straightline performance as well as cornering.
Hopefully i have cleared somethings up for you as you must not have thouroughly done your research on the Comptech Springs... If you choose to leave your stock springs on your car now, at least you will have a clear picture of the benefits and truths about the Comptech springs that you, up to this point, were very unclear on.
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i have comptech springs on my car and i have no complaints. The ride is almost exact same as stock and have no trouble with my camber. My tires are wearing out in the center not on the sides. You really only get bad camber when you drop your car a lot, comptechs 1.5/1.0 drop doesn't do much. My alignment is still right dead center. I love my springs
Re: Reasons I have decided NOT to put my Comptech springs on my car!
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Here are some of the reasons why:
Aftermarket springs devalue your car. - ANY aftermarket part devalues your car. This is why, when people sell their cars, they put them back to stock. No big deal.
Even though the springs come with insulators I've heard of several people still having problems with squeking. One guy in particular kept going back to the dealer SEVERAL times to fix the squeking problem but never got it fixed. He was very upset that the dealer couldn't fix the problem but it wasn't the dealers fault. - any competant installer can get them done right the first time, and any good business man would fix them should the install produce unwanted results like squeaking. Out of the hundreds or springs people on this board have installed... only a small handful have had problems
The TLS comes with a preset specifications for alignment and when you put on springs you are changing the cars camber, caster, and tow. When you go to align your car you will NEVER get back to the true specifications for alignment. They will always be off. You'll never get the TRUE alignment again. - not necessarily true. They have camber kits and alignment machines. When you go to get an alignment, they machines will put them back to factory specs. If not exactly.... very, very close... close enough to not make a difference.
Acura spends millions of dollars engineering their parts and has more than several employees working on one part to make the part work perfectly with the car. Why mess with it? - this statement makes no sense how all. They spends millions of dollars... sure... but they also cut corners to save money. If Acura's millions of dollars was so well spent... why didn't they offer the car from the factory with a header design like Comptech's to produce 30 more HP at the wheel? The reason is b/c they make cars in mass production, which means they try to fit it to all of the buyers out there, thus, aftermarket mods are necessary to use a car to it's true capabilities. They also cut corners for advertising purposes such as MPG, etc. It's funny that there's even an aftermarket market on our car due to the fact it's already perfect
Comptech spends only thousands of dollars on their parts and probably has no more than 40 employees in their company and is just making springs for appearance's only. - Thousands of dollars? Hmm... probably higher then that. Kind of makes me feel good that they're spending so much money on R&D on parts that cost around $230 or so. Also makes me feel good that they're testing it on specific applications. As for appearance only... that just tells me that you've never ridden in a car with springs. They make quite a difference with handling.
Aftermarket springs makes the ride feel like a covered wagon and has lots of rattles and is extremely stiff. - again... you've never ridden in a car with springs. I have the H&R Sports, which are slightly stiffer then the Comptech's.... and my ride is only SLIGHTLY stiffer then stock... and that's on 18's
Aftermarket springs increase tire wear significantly making the owner of the car buy new tires more often. - ummm OK.. sure. That makes sense. If you buy a good set of tires with a good wear rating, you will not need tires any quicker then if you didn't have springs.
In conclusion,
I feel that putting springs on my TLS would be more of a headache in the long run than anything. Maybe I'll get the sways instead for handling performance. - that's funny, b/c you're soooo worried about tires with the springs, but the sways will force you to get new tires even quicker. Why? They tighten up the car so much that the stock tires do not provide enough traction to keep the grip of the road. There have been horror stories posted both here and atl.com about people losing control b/c the stock tires couldn't grip with sways. It doesn't always happen obviously, but it makes it a possibility
In conlusion.... I think everyone will respect your opinion as it is your car.... but you should actually base your opinion on facts rather then mis-led opinions. Considering that springs actually make the car more responsive and handle better... especially at higher speeds, you would think you'd look a little harder at them.
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Here are some of the reasons why:
Aftermarket springs devalue your car. - ANY aftermarket part devalues your car. This is why, when people sell their cars, they put them back to stock. No big deal.
Even though the springs come with insulators I've heard of several people still having problems with squeking. One guy in particular kept going back to the dealer SEVERAL times to fix the squeking problem but never got it fixed. He was very upset that the dealer couldn't fix the problem but it wasn't the dealers fault. - any competant installer can get them done right the first time, and any good business man would fix them should the install produce unwanted results like squeaking. Out of the hundreds or springs people on this board have installed... only a small handful have had problems
The TLS comes with a preset specifications for alignment and when you put on springs you are changing the cars camber, caster, and tow. When you go to align your car you will NEVER get back to the true specifications for alignment. They will always be off. You'll never get the TRUE alignment again. - not necessarily true. They have camber kits and alignment machines. When you go to get an alignment, they machines will put them back to factory specs. If not exactly.... very, very close... close enough to not make a difference.
Acura spends millions of dollars engineering their parts and has more than several employees working on one part to make the part work perfectly with the car. Why mess with it? - this statement makes no sense how all. They spends millions of dollars... sure... but they also cut corners to save money. If Acura's millions of dollars was so well spent... why didn't they offer the car from the factory with a header design like Comptech's to produce 30 more HP at the wheel? The reason is b/c they make cars in mass production, which means they try to fit it to all of the buyers out there, thus, aftermarket mods are necessary to use a car to it's true capabilities. They also cut corners for advertising purposes such as MPG, etc. It's funny that there's even an aftermarket market on our car due to the fact it's already perfect
Comptech spends only thousands of dollars on their parts and probably has no more than 40 employees in their company and is just making springs for appearance's only. - Thousands of dollars? Hmm... probably higher then that. Kind of makes me feel good that they're spending so much money on R&D on parts that cost around $230 or so. Also makes me feel good that they're testing it on specific applications. As for appearance only... that just tells me that you've never ridden in a car with springs. They make quite a difference with handling.
Aftermarket springs makes the ride feel like a covered wagon and has lots of rattles and is extremely stiff. - again... you've never ridden in a car with springs. I have the H&R Sports, which are slightly stiffer then the Comptech's.... and my ride is only SLIGHTLY stiffer then stock... and that's on 18's
Aftermarket springs increase tire wear significantly making the owner of the car buy new tires more often. - ummm OK.. sure. That makes sense. If you buy a good set of tires with a good wear rating, you will not need tires any quicker then if you didn't have springs.
In conclusion,
I feel that putting springs on my TLS would be more of a headache in the long run than anything. Maybe I'll get the sways instead for handling performance. - that's funny, b/c you're soooo worried about tires with the springs, but the sways will force you to get new tires even quicker. Why? They tighten up the car so much that the stock tires do not provide enough traction to keep the grip of the road. There have been horror stories posted both here and atl.com about people losing control b/c the stock tires couldn't grip with sways. It doesn't always happen obviously, but it makes it a possibility
In conlusion.... I think everyone will respect your opinion as it is your car.... but you should actually base your opinion on facts rather then mis-led opinions. Considering that springs actually make the car more responsive and handle better... especially at higher speeds, you would think you'd look a little harder at them.
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Originally posted by BlackTLS
So your all saying that my assessements are wrong and that I should go ahead and put the springs on?
I won't have any problems?
So your all saying that my assessements are wrong and that I should go ahead and put the springs on?
I won't have any problems?
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Re: Reasons I have decided NOT to put my Comptech springs on my car!
Originally posted by BlackTLS
After long debating I have decided that I am not going to put my Comptech Springs on my car and will be sending them back to Comptech.
Here are some of the reasons why:
Aftermarket springs devalue your car.
Even though the springs come with insulators I've heard of several people still having problems with squeking. One guy in particular kept going back to the dealer SEVERAL times to fix the squeking problem but never got it fixed. He was very upset that the dealer couldn't fix the problem but it wasn't the dealers fault.
The TLS comes with a preset specifications for alignment and when you put on springs you are changing the cars camber, caster, and tow. When you go to align your car you will NEVER get back to the true specifications for alignment. They will always be off. You'll never get the TRUE alignment again.
Acura spends millions of dollars engineering their parts and has more than several employees working on one part to make the part work perfectly with the car. Why mess with it?
Comptech spends only thousands of dollars on their parts and probably has no more than 40 employees in their company and is just making springs for appearance's only.
Aftermarket springs makes the ride feel like a covered wagon and has lots of rattles and is extremely stiff.
Aftermarket springs increase tire wear significantly making the owner of the car buy new tires more often.
In conclusion,
I feel that putting springs on my TLS would be more of a headache in the long run than anything. Maybe I'll get the sways instead for handling performance.
After long debating I have decided that I am not going to put my Comptech Springs on my car and will be sending them back to Comptech.
Here are some of the reasons why:
Aftermarket springs devalue your car.
Even though the springs come with insulators I've heard of several people still having problems with squeking. One guy in particular kept going back to the dealer SEVERAL times to fix the squeking problem but never got it fixed. He was very upset that the dealer couldn't fix the problem but it wasn't the dealers fault.
The TLS comes with a preset specifications for alignment and when you put on springs you are changing the cars camber, caster, and tow. When you go to align your car you will NEVER get back to the true specifications for alignment. They will always be off. You'll never get the TRUE alignment again.
Acura spends millions of dollars engineering their parts and has more than several employees working on one part to make the part work perfectly with the car. Why mess with it?
Comptech spends only thousands of dollars on their parts and probably has no more than 40 employees in their company and is just making springs for appearance's only.
Aftermarket springs makes the ride feel like a covered wagon and has lots of rattles and is extremely stiff.
Aftermarket springs increase tire wear significantly making the owner of the car buy new tires more often.
In conclusion,
I feel that putting springs on my TLS would be more of a headache in the long run than anything. Maybe I'll get the sways instead for handling performance.
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From: Columbus, OH
Originally posted by jimcol711
BlackTLS, you couldnt be further from the truth.....
first of all, springs do not De-value your car in any way shape or form...especially not Comptech springs, which are the best quality springs you can get short of going with coilovers or something to that effect. also, anyone with a brain will keep their stock springs so that one day, when it comes time to sell the car, the owner can switch back to the factory springs and sell the comptech springs on ebay or something....OR simply offer to leave them on the car for the next owner as MOST owners would probably perfer to have the comptech springs anyhow.
secondly, as far as squeaks and rattles are concerned, the TL/CL rattle like all hell no matter what springs you have on the car....i dont think there is one CL-S or TL-S driver anywhere with any kind of suspension, stock or otherwise, that hasnt had to deal with the infamous sunroof rattle, parcel shelf rattle, dashboard rattle, etc. these rattles are a nature of the car, the cars are well built, but not perfect by any means
thirdly, as a whole, sure, Acura/Honda spends millions on research, development, and product design...but to say that they spend millions strictly on the SPRINGS is completely ridiculous... in fact i would go so far as to say that Comptech most likely spent more time and money in developing THEIR springs for the TL/CL do to the fact that the Comptech springs are superior in every way possible to the factory springs. Not only do they offer a much better appearance (look at your car from a side view and try to tell yourself it doesnt look silly with the body jacked up so high ) the comptech springs also offer less body roll, tighter cornering, better stability, etc... the Comptech springs do not make the car like a covered wagon, as you say, have you ever even seen/rode in a CL/TL with the comptech springs???? the Comptech springs easily offer the most forgiving ride out of all of the different aftermarket springs available. To generalize that all aftermarket springs cause the car to be too rough is again, simply ridiculous...every aftermarket spring option we have is different...
forthy, the alignment issue...oh yes....here we go...obviously you didnt do much research because the Comptech springs were designed so that you do not need any type of Camber-Correction Kit...the drop of the Comptech springs is conservative enough not to require a product of that sort. In fact, quite a few owners, including myself, had the car put on the alignment rack after the Comptech springs were installed and it was discovered that THE ALIGNMENT WAS STILL PERFECT AND NEEDED NO AJUSTMENT WHATSOEVER.
Finally, the tires.....well clearly my last point blew holes through your theory about the tires wearing faster, but the most important thing about the tires for the CL/TL that you must have either forgot or dont realize yet is that THEY SUCK! the stock tires are not grippy enough for the power of these cars...they are too narrow and the tread is not that great.....sure, they are all season and last up to 50k miles, but who wants crappy tires for that long??? typically one of the first modifications to a CL/TL is tire replacement....going with something like a 225/50/17 or even better...a 235/45/17 will offer MUCH MUCH better grip and traction in straightline performance as well as cornering.
Hopefully i have cleared somethings up for you as you must not have thouroughly done your research on the Comptech Springs... If you choose to leave your stock springs on your car now, at least you will have a clear picture of the benefits and truths about the Comptech springs that you, up to this point, were very unclear on.
BlackTLS, you couldnt be further from the truth.....
first of all, springs do not De-value your car in any way shape or form...especially not Comptech springs, which are the best quality springs you can get short of going with coilovers or something to that effect. also, anyone with a brain will keep their stock springs so that one day, when it comes time to sell the car, the owner can switch back to the factory springs and sell the comptech springs on ebay or something....OR simply offer to leave them on the car for the next owner as MOST owners would probably perfer to have the comptech springs anyhow.
secondly, as far as squeaks and rattles are concerned, the TL/CL rattle like all hell no matter what springs you have on the car....i dont think there is one CL-S or TL-S driver anywhere with any kind of suspension, stock or otherwise, that hasnt had to deal with the infamous sunroof rattle, parcel shelf rattle, dashboard rattle, etc. these rattles are a nature of the car, the cars are well built, but not perfect by any means
thirdly, as a whole, sure, Acura/Honda spends millions on research, development, and product design...but to say that they spend millions strictly on the SPRINGS is completely ridiculous... in fact i would go so far as to say that Comptech most likely spent more time and money in developing THEIR springs for the TL/CL do to the fact that the Comptech springs are superior in every way possible to the factory springs. Not only do they offer a much better appearance (look at your car from a side view and try to tell yourself it doesnt look silly with the body jacked up so high
) the comptech springs also offer less body roll, tighter cornering, better stability, etc... the Comptech springs do not make the car like a covered wagon, as you say, have you ever even seen/rode in a CL/TL with the comptech springs???? the Comptech springs easily offer the most forgiving ride out of all of the different aftermarket springs available. To generalize that all aftermarket springs cause the car to be too rough is again, simply ridiculous...every aftermarket spring option we have is different...forthy, the alignment issue...oh yes....here we go...obviously you didnt do much research because the Comptech springs were designed so that you do not need any type of Camber-Correction Kit...the drop of the Comptech springs is conservative enough not to require a product of that sort. In fact, quite a few owners, including myself, had the car put on the alignment rack after the Comptech springs were installed and it was discovered that THE ALIGNMENT WAS STILL PERFECT AND NEEDED NO AJUSTMENT WHATSOEVER.
Finally, the tires.....well clearly my last point blew holes through your theory about the tires wearing faster, but the most important thing about the tires for the CL/TL that you must have either forgot or dont realize yet is that THEY SUCK! the stock tires are not grippy enough for the power of these cars...they are too narrow and the tread is not that great.....sure, they are all season and last up to 50k miles, but who wants crappy tires for that long??? typically one of the first modifications to a CL/TL is tire replacement....going with something like a 225/50/17 or even better...a 235/45/17 will offer MUCH MUCH better grip and traction in straightline performance as well as cornering.
Hopefully i have cleared somethings up for you as you must not have thouroughly done your research on the Comptech Springs... If you choose to leave your stock springs on your car now, at least you will have a clear picture of the benefits and truths about the Comptech springs that you, up to this point, were very unclear on.
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BlackTls: Put the springs on and get it aligned correctly and your car will handle and look 100% better.
Also, you guys are great providing all these longwinded feedbacks, much props. I agree with you all 100%.
Also, you guys are great providing all these longwinded feedbacks, much props. I agree with you all 100%.
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From: Honolulu, Hawaii
Originally posted by I am RobG
i have comptech springs on my car and i have no complaints. The ride is almost exact same as stock and have no trouble with my camber. My tires are wearing out in the center not on the sides. You really only get bad camber when you drop your car a lot, comptechs 1.5/1.0 drop doesn't do much. My alignment is still right dead center. I love my springs
i have comptech springs on my car and i have no complaints. The ride is almost exact same as stock and have no trouble with my camber. My tires are wearing out in the center not on the sides. You really only get bad camber when you drop your car a lot, comptechs 1.5/1.0 drop doesn't do much. My alignment is still right dead center. I love my springs
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From: toronto
BlackTLS, i totally agree with you. i dont ever plan on dropping my car. a 4 year old tl without a single rattle
if you want to lower it, at least get new struts or go with full coilovers. lowering springs have always seemed like a ghetto way to improve handling to me
sure you might be able to get an alignment within specs, but theyll barely make it. then you have to buy more stuff to correct it
the main reason i dont want to lower is because no matter what setup you go with, you will probably wear out the cv joints prematurely
hopefully not everyone will take a fit over my opinion
if you want to lower it, at least get new struts or go with full coilovers. lowering springs have always seemed like a ghetto way to improve handling to me
sure you might be able to get an alignment within specs, but theyll barely make it. then you have to buy more stuff to correct it
the main reason i dont want to lower is because no matter what setup you go with, you will probably wear out the cv joints prematurely
hopefully not everyone will take a fit over my opinion
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From: San Jose, Cali
Originally posted by mr tl
[Bthe main reason i dont want to lower is because no matter what setup you go with, you will probably wear out the cv joints prematurely
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[Bthe main reason i dont want to lower is because no matter what setup you go with, you will probably wear out the cv joints prematurely
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Re: Re: Reasons I have decided NOT to put my Comptech springs on my car!
Originally posted by Davediego
the comptech springs after settling can be alligned perfectly within reasonable limits. The same? no, who cares. Good enough that a bunch of negative camber wont ruin your tires? yes. As for your "acura spends millions of dollars" line, what exactly are you trying to say? no aftermarket parts are worth buying because "millions" werent spent designing them? all the dynos people post must be fake then right? and all the people that love the increased handling springs give must be high and/or delusional
also you should do your research a little better, the comptech springs are VERY close to stock in terms of harshness, and as long as u get them put in by a place that knows what they're doing you shouldnt have any problems with squeaking. and the biggest increase of tire wear will come from you enjoying being able to take corners faster but hey any mod that lets you burn up the OEM tires faster to get some real rubber is a good one in my book
the comptech springs after settling can be alligned perfectly within reasonable limits. The same? no, who cares. Good enough that a bunch of negative camber wont ruin your tires? yes. As for your "acura spends millions of dollars" line, what exactly are you trying to say? no aftermarket parts are worth buying because "millions" werent spent designing them? all the dynos people post must be fake then right? and all the people that love the increased handling springs give must be high and/or delusional
also you should do your research a little better, the comptech springs are VERY close to stock in terms of harshness, and as long as u get them put in by a place that knows what they're doing you shouldnt have any problems with squeaking. and the biggest increase of tire wear will come from you enjoying being able to take corners faster
but hey any mod that lets you burn up the OEM tires faster to get some real rubber is a good one in my book
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Re: Reasons I have decided NOT to put my Comptech springs on my car!
Originally posted by BlackTLS
When you go to align your car you will NEVER get back to the true specifications for alignment. They will always be off. You'll never get the TRUE alignment again.
When you go to align your car you will NEVER get back to the true specifications for alignment. They will always be off. You'll never get the TRUE alignment again.
Performance benefits - lower center of gravity - less body roll - stiffer springs.
Dude, you shoulda bought a Neon or something.
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From: .
Originally posted by mr tl
the main reason i dont want to lower is because no matter what setup you go with, you will probably wear out the cv joints prematurely
the main reason i dont want to lower is because no matter what setup you go with, you will probably wear out the cv joints prematurely
ps, I have camber kits - does that help prevent premature wear?
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From: San Diego
1" and 1.25" dont seem like big drops at all. My cl looks ridiculously high and it doesnt even seem like 1.25 will do anything to that 4x4 look.... i can stick my whole fist in that space between the wheel and the fender!! urghh!
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From: Miami, FL
Originally posted by pofi
1" and 1.25" dont seem like big drops at all. My cl looks ridiculously high and it doesnt even seem like 1.25 will do anything to that 4x4 look.... i can stick my whole fist in that space between the wheel and the fender!! urghh!
1" and 1.25" dont seem like big drops at all. My cl looks ridiculously high and it doesnt even seem like 1.25 will do anything to that 4x4 look.... i can stick my whole fist in that space between the wheel and the fender!! urghh!
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