scalbert.... what do you run in the 1/4? I personally ran a 13.997 after a 3.4 cai & 180 t-stat at 99.63 mph...... ao tell me which of your guys broke into the 13's?
I mean offense your backing up a guy claims to beat everything he races.... get real.... I've been hard up for races & tempted the wrong SS's & got stomped tell me it's not weird that a guy can say geesh every time I race it's not even close........ "even though I run 15's "
yeah fucking right......

 

 

I'll take that as you & darrinb are nothing & I should use you to mop off the extra water on the track after your V-tec counter parts drop their back tire's into the water box, (and aren't smart enough to realize they DEFFINATELY need to get there fronts wet to stand a chance of getting them hot) thanks again darrin & quick......... Oh and almost forgot you scalbert

 

When in my statements have I ever backed this post?? I never back people in anything. This topic went OT and I joined at that point joined in but never citing relevance to the original topic.

I will get real; I was the first to make the custom intake sold on the GP store, first to own the Magnuson nosedrive for the GTP, first to install a Trans cooler, etc. Check some of the write ups on the grandprix.net and you will find my name.

Point being, I know what the GTP can do as I was there and saw the evolution. I remember seeing the first 13 second time slips posted for a GTP. In other words, I knew what it took to run the times. For well over a year after the '97 GTP was released we had to resort to making all of our own mods. Where do you think the Lotek gauge pods came from, I organized them to be made through the help of the old GTP listserv and Lyle Simmons at Lotek.

You must of had good track conditions to run a 13.9 which I don't disbelieve. With the introduction of swapping pulleys via a puller or the Magnuson nosedrive along with the other simple mods 13's became a potential but not a guarantee. Most still ran in the low 14's at that point with traps in the 96 - 97 range.

As for my times, I have only had the car a few months and been to a track one time in it. But on that event in middle Georgia I was able to run 14.3's and trap in the 98's. That may not be as quick but comparatively it does better. I will be going to Atlanta Dragway next week to try again with hopefully better conditions. As always, times and slips will be posted for verification...

 

Remember the 6-Speed has only been out for a short time and now that we are all getting into cooler weather the times will fall:

http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...threadid=83038

There is one recent 13 second time.

Addtionally, someone had to find out if that 180 stat would work in your car, I was the one who took the plunge and tested it for the GP community.

Have you provided any worth to the GP community?? Or do you live your life on the heels of others?? Using what others have worked hard for never gives credit to yourself.

 

I am waiting on a response as you ended up taking this to a new level by mentioning me directly.

I find it pathetic to troll other boards when your knowledge is limited to what you have read from others. Additionally, try to post in a legible manner so that I can understand what it is you are trying to convey.

Please tell me what "V-tec counter parts” are.

 

You dont like CLUBsi because they know your full of it. Guess that makes me an idiot for seeing that

I love how you claim your so mature, but use constant profanities. Who needs to grow up now?? You have no respect for other cars besides the one that you own.

 

Whatever you say MINIMA owner. lol

 

You have a problem, seriously.....Go seek some help you need it. Look who is starting the flames. Your car is GOD, nobody can touch it. It can outhandle Enzo's and accelerate faster than a McLaren. And you of course can drive with the best of them. Word is Michael Schumacher calls you for racing tips.

 

The reason I haven't responded to your post(s) is because you haven't pissed me off LOL I know your post wasn't directed at me, but, I have tried to help the GP community as much as possible. I was one of the first to try the ASE chip for a GT and provide data logs to help people make a decision. Currently i'm experimenting with a air/fuel controller that hasn't been officially released yet and posting results/logs when I head out to the track. I ran consistant 13.90's with a 3" offroad pipe, 3.25 pulley, CAI, race plugs (4 steps colder), and Z rated street tires. My PB is 13.868@99.68 traction limited 2.2 60'. With slicks I should be able to get a mid 13, but I can't say im mid thirteens until I hit those times.

I don't doubt the CL-S's cababilities, I just don't agree with some kid that likes to end his posts with " holla " talking smack when he has a 15.0 1/4 in his sig and most well driven GTP's (that i've seen, especially mine) can better that, stock.

 

As you assumed correctly, it was not for you. Most people who enjoy cars in general and are willing to work on them never take these posts too seriously. We can all enjoy them for what they are, reasonable transportation. I am willing to discuss these matters in a reasonable manner provided the others do the same and above all, read all of the posts...

One question though, in my experience with the GTP, I had the first Magnuson nosedrive with a 3.6 inch pulley. I soon got a 3.4 inch pulley. Later I had made a 3.2 inch and a 3.0 inch pulley. With the 3.0 inch pulley I suffered tremendous KR. I used the ARC2 (along with 40lb injectors) to boost fuel to suppress the deto. I also tried basic fueling with the Aquamist H2O injection system but neither completely suppressed deto nor the subsequent KR.

What has changed to allow this overwhelming use of pulleys that will generate between 12 and 15 PSI boost with KR???

As with all forums, you must take statements as expressions. Leave it to encounters on the track to determine the real champions.

Now on the subject of strip running, the GTP has an advantage. The torque and the fluidity of the 4T65E allow it to run well down the strip. However, when I bough my '01 CL-S I found the handling to be less than my '97 GTP with springs. But once sways and new tires were put on that was now offset. Now that I have dropped the '01 CL-S in favor of the '03 CL-S6 with the HLSD I can tell that the handling differential became apparent.

The CL-S6 feels lighter and pulls through turns much quicker. But this is irrelevant in this topic and should be held for another.

 

Dose this happen to you alot? I would guess it does. People tend to have a hard time in dealing with biased people, and then being hard-headed and closed-minded on top of that makes it really tough. Oh well.

Later,

 

Well now we have companies like ZZperformance.com making ported and polished supercharger housings which reduce outlet temps, that helps with KR. The same company mentioned above now has an affordable intercooler (about 1200) which allows for a 3.0 pulley with minimal KR. Exhaust systems from the heads back (headers, 3" down tubes, high flow catalitic converters). Then there's the Race Fuel I've been able to use a 3.0 pulley, pushing 14.5 psi, with zero KR on race fuel. This setup didn't really work out however; although my engine wasn't detonating, the air going into the intake manifold was super heated which resulted in slower times we're talking 13.9's at 97 mph.

Now we have a company called DHP (digital horsepower) they now do custom tuned pcms, the calibrations they use add/subtract fuel in the right places within the rev range. They also have a generic PCM (which I have) that makes the car much more drivable (optimized shift points) and takes care of fueling problems. One problem is the intake manifold design; from what i've read, the way it's designed makes cylinders 3,4, and 1 get more air than all the others, this ofcourse results in melted cylinders if they happen to get lean enough, now the problem here is the pcm adds/subrtacts fuel to all cylinders as a group, so cylinder 6 may run rich, while #1 is already on the lean side. What DHP has done is supply the "problem" cylinders with more fueling to make up for this design flaw.

You're right, sometimes it's hard to not to get caught up in the flames I'd love to have a CLS vs GTP day here in southern cali, but we'll see if I can get this together.

I would have thought the CL-S would be better in the handling dept. Interesting. What is HLSD? is that some sort of limited slip differential?

My GTP handles worse since I've fabricated a complete spring blocker that doesn't allow the rear to go down at all when launching, i've yet to test this at the track, but on the street I can barely spin the tires I've made it so that I can bolt/unbolt it easily at the track, but i'm testing it out, I'm not sure the rebar I used will hold up LOL NO challenging anyone in the twisteez for me

 

certainly wish we had more aftermarket support like the gtp does. i guess the fact that the cl is a relatively new vehicle doesn't help.

we need torque and a better auto tranny :o


on a brighter note, my previous best 60' time was a 2.23. last friday i was able to pull a 2.16, which is smokin' ass for an auto (n/a) cl.

 

 

To bad I am not biased. I have even backed the Maxima still many times on other forums. Inlcuding the GTP. It seems you guys are the ones very biased.

 

Those companies were not around under those names when I was in the GP community. I am sure they were involved but possibly on a personal basis at that time.

I attempted my own Port and polishing of my blower casing without luck. I ended up purchasing a new S-Ported blower from Magnuson in the end.

I am very familiar with the generic PCM reprogramming, I had mine reprgrammed back in early '98 when they were not commercially available.

It is the custom stuff that is really nice nowadays!!!

The CL-S, as with most in this class, are shed with crappy tires. Yea they ride well but not good when pushing it. But even with the lacking grip from the tires the 6-Speeds HLSD (Helical Limited Slip Differential) does wonders for on throttle turns. Going through a tight turn while getting on the throttle normally pushes the front end wide on most FWD cars. But with the HLSD it literally starts pulling you trough the turn tighter. I takes a bit to get use to but once ready you can certainly use it for an advantage.

 

If you read the story behind their ported blower casings on the website you'll see that they had several designs, one even added heat to the intake charge when compared to stock. It's all in the angles and radii apparently.

It's nice, but very expensive. Rumors are it's in the 1k's. There's another piece that's comming out from ZZperformance.com, basically a PCM controller that will allow you to do much more than custom programming can do, we're talking being able to maintain a certain voltage from the O2 sensor from like 100-2000rpm, then choose another. Custom tuning will be a thing of the past when this controller comes out. Best part is, its only going to be around 400$ Sorry if it seems like i'm bragging about our aftermarket i'm just happy. And you're right, it was a member "zooomer" that put this company together. All the outstanding products available have been thought up by dedicated members on the board. Without them, we'd have 100 different exhaust tips and CAI's to choose from, not to mention 1000's of "pontiac racing" decals


That must be nice, I know what you mean about the car going wide when accelerating through a turn, been there, done that Offroading isn't fun, let me tell you...

This HLSD i'm assuming will allow you to launch better , not just help through the turns, correct? What kind of 60', 1/4 mile times are people seeing with the 6 speed? I see mattG was able to pull a 2.1 60' with an automatic CL-S, which is totally awesome btw. To tell the truth, I was actually looking into getting an auto CL-S a year and a half ago, I test drove it, it was very nice indeed. I didn't get a chance to really test the power, but I could feel it was there. I would have purchased it, truth is, I couldn't afford it at the time (nor can I now ). So please don't think i'm a CL-S hater

 

The HLSD does help on the launch as it helps to apply the power to both wheels. I have only been to the track once since purchasing my 6-Speed and was in the 2.3 - 2.4 range on my best runs. However, this was out of town with my wife so needless to say I had the spare tire, jack and luggage with me along with no rear spring blocks. The track and day wasn't that great either... To top it off I had DTCs being set which turned out to be P0300, intermittent misfires, along with individual cylinder misfire codes. Turned out to be the fuel as after a fill up, running Techron through and changing the plugs, no codes have shown up and the car is running well.

IMO, when properly set up it should be able to hit about 2.1 which with a manual FWD vehicle would be too bad.

Refer to the below link for videos of the run, some are not of the CL-S though. Anything over about 1k revs and I lit up the tires achieving 2.6 - 2.8 short times. So I had to slip the clutch at launch with little throttle input which would cause it to bog. But once at 4k revs and on the car jumps forward.

Oh yea, I do find the engine note from the J32A2 is much sweeter than the L67...:P :P :P

http://www.flwse.com/images/steve/Videos/SDR_092902/

allmotor_2000 has run 13's with really just headers and drag radials. He pulled down 2.0 short times which I was very impressed with. Yea and mattG is running very well for an automatic CL-S. That guy certainly can launch and has a strong car. I do expect to see more 13 second runs from various members in the next month or so with the cooler air. Hopefully I'll be there also as I'm heading to Atlanta Dragway next Friday but this time I'll be properly set up.

 

OK.. glad to see this settled down... let's keep it civil like this and the topic can stay opened

If you want to issue personal attacks please IM or email the person. Thanks

 

I'm up for a friendly race at Carlsbad.

 

i cant believe someone actually thinks i'm making up these kills, you cant be serious man.

you think i fuckin stay home all day and think of strories to make up.

i post the truth and nothin but the truth, but i can understand this comin from a gtp owner cause you dont want a cl-s beaten your car, stock for stock a gtp wont touch me, i dont know why you people are saying come here and race my gtp and i'll kill you, cause you probably will cause your modded, i didnt say i beat a modded gtp it was STOCK,

i wish i could some how get these races posted on this site

 

Just a few words of advise, never make absolute statements as they always come back to bite you. Your ET is not one that warrants such proclamations especially considering your location.

 

Uhhh, actually I totally agree LMAO that's part of the reason I used my stock mufflers.

That's very impressive, 13's with headers and traction, nice, very nice.
Thanks for the link nice spin fest videos LOL that track looked like it had just rained Good luck with the next track day.


Agreed, it causes more psychological
damage if it's one on one LMAO

Outstanding when do you have time to go? i'm pretty much up for any saturday. Please let me know.

So you're saying i'm making up that 14.7 run? Get a better run than a 15.0, then we can talk.

 

yeah darrin, i wouldn't go saying that stock for stock shit cuz your hittin 15's, not all that impressive.

 

Russ is my hero

 

Any luck with the videos yet?

 

OK, whatever you say, you're not biased. But you are closed-minded & hard-headed........and a bit clueless when it comes to your competition.

 

Getting a firewire cable this week...then I just need to find a host....man am I lazy :p

 

I heard with this one mod a stock GTP should be able to break the 13's, wonder if it's true?

I must admit CL-S's exhaust note is sweet, but I love how my L67 sounds almost like amall block. Many, many ppl confuse my shit with a V8.

 

I find the sound characteristic differences similar to comparing an F1 car to NASCAR. Although I love the sound of both when properly set up and neither could seriously be compared to the above mentioned sanctions, there is a similar description.

Within months of purchasing my GTP I had the gooseneck cut out and a 3 inch exhaust put in with 3 Chamber Flowmasters. This sounded sweet and loud and probably the closest a 6 cylinder could sound like a V8. A nice deep rumble at idle that exploded to a frenzy at WOT.

Now with the CL-S the exhaust note was fine but what amazed me was the intake sound. Once I modified an AV6 intake to fit the CL (Prior to AEM making an intake for the CL-S) and heard the WOT harmony I knew the CL-S was special. The sound is very refined but pronounced enough to indicated seriousness. It is the closest sound to F1 short of an exotic.

I love the sound of both in their own respect but to be that sound of OHC working all of those valves is much more delightful, dare I say music…

 

That's cool, we have completley different tastes. I love that deep rumbling, more than a high pitched exh/intake.


Why did you get rid of your GTP?

Also did you frequent clubGP board? If you did, what was your name thier?

 

The CL-S does sound nice when the VTEC kicks in. I think the S2K sounds even better. I am a V8 fan myself. Nothing out there today can touch the sound of a nice 428 Cobra Jet or a 427 Chevy. Back in the day, they made some awesome sounding cars.

 

btw, i've never bragged about any of my wins or lost on here before

 

I beg to differ...ever hear a Modena's 3.6L V-8?? NOTHING can touch that sound. All domestic v-8s sound the same to me...from a rustang 5.0 with flowmasters to a chevy silverado with straight pipes...you hear them every day.

Each to his own though...some people just choose to live in the past :P

 

 

I got rid of it because I wanted something a bit more refined. Plus the seats were showing wear and the paint on the hood looked terrible (spots all in it under the clear coat) among a few other things. This was with about 50k miles on the odometer. But the drivetrain was still going strong considering the abuse I put on it.

I was initially going to get an S4 but my wife didn't like that idea, she claimed it looked too much like here E46 328i. I then looked at a C70 manual but the dealers wouldn't work a fair price or trade. So when the CL-S came out I took it for a drive and was hooked.

I retired from the GP community coming up on three years ago when there was no clubGP message board. At that time there was only an email Listerv of which I was known as Steve Calbert. I still get emails nearly daily concerning so of the write ups I did which were posted on grandprix.net. I tried most of the current mods and some failed mods years ago that are (or not) available for the GTP. 40lb injectors, ARC2, ERL Aquamist, etc...

 

He said other than exotics......A Ferrari doesnt do anything for me. I was golfing the other day and a Red Ferrari 346(?) drove by and wound out some of the gears. You dont hear them everyday, but they arent anything special. A friend of mine had a 69' Stingray 427 with side pipes and it sounded amazing. That was thru stock exhaust.

 

like i said....some people just choose to live in the past.

 

If your videos are not that big, I can host them on 5thgenmaximas.com. Let me know.