My new best Wish it was better though. I think it's inexperience more then the car. Went friday night at Moroso. It was perfect track weather. In the low 50's & less then 30% humidty. (rare for south FL !) Only did 3 runs cause the damn pro cars get first crack. I was there for 3 damn hours! It's sad that track is like that. I'd bet alot more people would go if it wasn't. Ran a 14.4, 14.5, & 14.2 after droping the tire pressure on each run. I'm content, I'm not going back again.

I can tell you guys the CL is NOT a car for the track. If you want a track car get a mustang or some V8 beast. That's what was mostly there. All running below 14. I might have been the slowest car there. No to mention the least impressive.

 

Post the whole slip, I'm interested. And yeah the wheelhop sucks at the track, but at my local track there is usually a nice assortment of 13-16 sec cars, so low 14's isnt exactly crawling.

 

CL isn't a track car?

I didn't get the memo

 

What's the best time for a totally stock 6 speed CL-S, did anyone ever beat the 14.1?

 

i dont think theres any slips for that 14.1 so its not for sure

 

Are we talking about the same 14.1?

 

Some dude from the bimmer forums ran a 14.1 in his wife's completely stock CL 6-speed. This was like two years ago or some shit.

I would look for the thread but i dont really give a fuck.

 

I'm sure that even if someone did run a 14.1 100% bone stock that it was a fluke, or the track was insanely sticky and weather was perfect. The norm for 6 speeds bone stock is 14.4-14.7, depending on driver & weather of course.

 

The same guy ran a 14.0 with a stock 330ci ZHP and a 13.66 with a stock S2000.

 

I don't have my time slips anymore. The damn carwash guy I guess thought they were trash in the side of my door. I was traping at 98-99, with 2.2x 60's. Alot better then my last times at the track, but still not great. As I always say I suck driving at a track in 1/4 mile runs. Give me a road course with a RWD car though & I'm alot more at home.

 

i ran a 14.7 with my non type S... just thought i could share that .. i was happy lol

 

Sounds like a MUCH better than average driver. Do you know what track he ran at?

The only reason I ask is because one of our local tracks is midly known for being "fast", meaning it tends to give possible false "fast" times. Dont know if thats the case there, but anyways those are hella good times.

 

that happenes sometimes pending on what track your at... there are two tracks here by me englishtown is 100% acurate for the most part but aatco has a slight downhill advantage which makes for a slightly better 1/4 time.

 

14.7 for a non type-s is pretty fast man, what mods do you have?

 

for a 6 speed with i/h/e, 13s are highly achievable correct?

 

Add sticky tires & some stiffer springs and yeah, 13's shouldnt be a problem

 

I have an AeM cai, headers, helix t.b.s., full Thermal exhaust w/ test pipe pullys, and plugs.

 

If you can drive at a track. Takes alot of pratice, & paintance to get a good launch, as well as traction. I have all the bolt on's & can't get out of the low 14's.

 

did you lower your tire pressure to help ease the wheel hop? and what rpm did you launch at? i found that 18-22lbs tire pressure and a 2k launch was best on mine when i took her to the track.

 

Yeah. I just suck at it. I'm done with the track in this car.

 

Nice, but don't sell yourself short . . . while you're not in the same league as those cars, you're times are still in the top tier. A few years ago that would have been supercar territory. And those V8 beast are JUST running 13s, so what. That's fast, but not with many cars running 12s and even 11s. It all relative and there's always a faster car.

BTW, I'm sure Allmotor and a couple of others would object as they are running better times than those V8s you saw at the track . . .

As for me, I'm running 14.5s with just an Icebox and will always enjoy going to the track and beating faster cars because times are just part of the factor.

Ruf

 

I have ~ 200 1/4 passes in various types of cars, so I can usually get the best out of whatever my car is capable of. I think most on here will think its BS, but I plan to try for 13.99999 with some very lightweight 17's, stiff springs/struts, maybe some sprng isolators, and the recently installed Icebox.

 

I didnt check my tire pressure ever before so i wouldnt know but i do launch at about 1.8 or 2k rpm. But since i have 18s on them makes it a little harder not to hop. I also have eiback prokit on them as well so it helps a little bit for wheel hopping at least. But im also wondering does struts and sway bar help wheel hopping less and launch better?

 

Go for it . . .and I want to see slips and video . .

I won't argue your skills as I don't know you, but I know from my experience with various types of cars and have been racing more years than you are old, but there's nothing I know of that'll put you in the 13s. The traction and tranny will limit you. With drag radials you might get close . . . but I'd bet not without. My personal best is 14.58 with an icebox and lighter weight wheels (18lbs) . . . I could drop another 6lbs per wheel with some 12lbs SSRs, so about 36lbs total unsprung weight, but I don't think that would get me much more than 14.3s . . . drag radials might get me 14.0, but our tranny plain sucks!

Wait . . . I need headers . . . anyone selling their CTs for a good price to the poor old man raising 2 kids and a wife??

That said, go out and raise that bar so we all have something to shoot at.

Ruf

 

I am by no means an expert, thats for sure. However I almost never get worse than a .600 light, and I cant remember the last time I missed a gear at the track (and I always speed shift, sometimes powershift depending on which gear change it is). I need ALOT more practice with th DR's to get anywhere close to 14.0. I only had them for 1 track day last year, and my best was a hopping 2.26, which is pathetic. My reasoning for "hoping" for 13's is that I should have gained maybe a tenth with the Icebox, I am going to order some 15lb 17" wheels, so thats 9lbs/wheel, I have springs/adj struts to install which should help with wheelhop (by decreasing weight transfer), and like I said more seat time. I dont think expecting to drop 3 tenths from those additions is out of this world, but I do agree that it'll take a perfect pass to do it. I will never do headers, weight loss, or any other bolt-ons since this is my daily driver. And I am hoping for 13.999999, but I'd be very happy with anything as long as its faster than 14.2

 

I have all those mods plus headers look what I get. My car dyno'd stock about what your car does. A few less TQ, but close. So I know it's not in a slow batch.
Go for it!

 

yeah, but I am running 98-98.5mph bone stock, so I would hope that lighter whels & Icebox would get me pretty close to 100mph. Maybe your track is just slow, or your shifting needs a little fine tuning? Just throwing that out there, not saying you are a bad driver.

 

I believe that Bimmer guy's screen name is silverstreak on bimmer forums

 

BTW he ran 14.0 @ 97.5mph with his 330i, not a 13.8 (at least that's what his sig says), and his 14.1 was only with 95.7mph, so sounds like he got a REALLY good launch. I am going to pm him and see if he can give the details on the pass.

 

Nice .600 is a fast light time, took some light jumping I bet?
I thought wheel hop was caused by the transverse engine design. Can't wheel hop an old toronado or cadillac--my

 

I usually get no worse than a .600 light, usually its in the high .500's. I bracket race a bunch, so gotta have good RT's. And lots of rwd cars have wheelhop also, and not all fwd cars do. It had to do with the suspension loading & unloading, which causes the tires to bounce up & down. My dad's 03 Cobra has really bad wheelhop on wet pavement or when its cold, but my mustang has never had any wheelhop. Thats due to mine being a solid axle and his is an IRS.

 

You missed my point completely, but thanks for all your wisdom on wheel hop

 

Anything we can do on our CL-S to less wheel hop except lowering the car? I also know we wheel hop a lot b/c of our sorry ass stock motor mounts but to my knowledge there is no company out that makes motor mounts for our cars. So any other suggestions?