2003TL-S

I have had an unusual amount of cars lately that are trying to race, complaining??? No, extremely happy. Last night on the way home from a softball game I had a chance to run against a brand spankin new Grand Prix GTP. I don't know if anyone else has raced one of these yet, but damn they are quick, well at least since my 03 tls is stock. We both were the only ones in our cars and off a light we were nose to nose to around 55-60 when I started to inch forward, but had to get on the brakes because we were running up on traffic. I don't consider it a kill, since I would like to of seen what would've happened by 80, but it was fun none the less.

I think i/h may have to be ordered!!

danny25

If it was the supercharged Grand Prix I think the new ones have 260 hp and something like 280 torque, so they should be relatively quick. Good kill.

Black CL-S 4-Life

Nice kill! GTPs run out of steam around 80.

stejus

Good kill!

I havn't had the oppurtunity to race much but I'm pretty sure my one and only race was with one of these a while back! I think when I raced this GTP he thought I was a honda accord. We both got off the line pacing and then i nailed it (still in 1st gear). By the time i got off of it (3rd), he was a car length back.

Punk em all 733

Great kill!


Do you have a stick, or an auto?

Are you sure it was a GTP? Sounds like a GT to me.


Great kill anyways!

F23A4

I posted this on Maxima.org and you find this amusing (referring to the new GTP Comp G):

"The quarter-mile clicks by in a virile 15 flat at 93 mph, but after that, progress slows as the lungs of a two-valve engine start to burn for lack of air....Still, there’s enough power in the well to push the Grand Prix to 138 mph. It may go faster, but our test car went into a reduced-power limp mode at that point, complaining through its dashboard message center of “hot engine oil.” So autobahns are out." (courtesy of Car & Driver):

link: http://www.caranddriver.com/article...6&page_number=1

2003TL-S

I am 100% sure it was a GTP Comp G, I eat GT's for lunch, that is what the pop's owns, and a friend of mine owns, who has intake and exhaust for it, both 2000's. Fun to play with but never have lost to one.

darrinb

i wasted a gtp when i was stock, stock for stock they are no match for us

CLS2001_97124

Sweet kill.... I've always thought the GTP's could eat us alive..

F23A4

ONLY if they're modded!!

scalbert

They should actually say that the 4 speed, 4T65E, transaxles gearing leaves it wanting. Second gear takes you just shy of 90 MPH and 3rd is almost the same ratio of the CL's 4th. The only reason it still pulls in 3rd is the serious torque the L67 has.

If it had the gearing of the CL's transaxle it would be noticeably quicker and trap higher. Such as when Acura went from the 4-Speed to the 5-Speed automatic in the TL years ago; the times dropped almost a half second.

scalbert

Did he take it out of park??? :P Actually, if it was from a roll he probably was at a bad position with the stock ECU programming. They don't readily shift down leaving them running in a higher gear.

Actually, my first time to the track in my '97 GTP with just 3k miles on the clock yielded a 14.78@94. I never ran anything higher than a 14.9 in this car. This was at Atlanta Dragway at the start of the summer of '97. In comparison, my stock CL-S was only able to run around a 15.0 in similar conditions and mileage.

jimcol711

2003TL-S, you are in the milwaukee area, let me tell you, there are ALOT of modded GTP's around here that will tear you a new asshole, even my buddies STOCK 1998 GTP will kill any stock CL-S or TL-S. he ran a 14.5@98 in 70 degree weather with a completely stock 1998 GTP. no stock CL-S or TL-S (with the exception of a 2003 CL-S 6 speed) can touch that.

if i had to put money on it, id definately bet that the 2004 GTP competition group could lay down a quicker 1/4 mile time than any stock CL-S, TL-S under the same weather conditions. careful out there, GTP's are no joke and 99% of the time, youll lose if you dont at least get headers!!!

when i had headers on my 2002 CL-S, i was running a 14.39@99 which is pretty atypically quick for a CL-S with just headers, but it was enough to put me ahead of stock GTP's.

widerGTP

I was gonna mention something about that as well. 2 valves isn't actualy a hinderance. It's the sum of the parts and how they work together. NASCAR uses 2 valves and they rev in 8k-9k for the whole race.

2003TL-S

I too have seen a lot of GTP's that are modded in the Milwaukee area but not a lot of them want to run, most of the time when I try to get them to go they won't even pay attention. I have raced 3 GTP's not including the Comp G since I got my car, and I have yet to lose, and one of them was a GTX (from about a 20 roll), and I asked the guy after we ran to make sure it was supercharged because I know you can disguise a GT as a GTX. I am not saying I can't be beat by a GTP, I know I could be beat and easily beat by a modded GTP since I am stock, it is just that the ones I have raced I have beat. As far as the Comp G, i was starting to pull on him in the 55-60 range before I had to get on the brakes, who knows maybe I have a quick TL-S

danny25

last time i was at the track there was a few gtps running high 12s.

mantis23

great

danny25

indeed

mantis23

danny = extreme whore

Chaptorial

This can be said for the previous generation. The new ones out now will be no cake walk stock.

jimcol711

hahaha, where have you been?? you should check again, there are GTP's running 10s.


check this link out:

http://www.clubgp.com/cgi-asp/qtrmile.asp


the top FIFTY (!!!!!!!!!) GTP's are sub 13.00 sec!!!!

those fuckers are way faster than CL-S can hope to be...at least without some SEERIOUS boost. even allmotor's turbo only ran high 12's. thats a very far cry from the 10s and 11s.

getting a car from 15.0 to 14.0 is easy.
getting it from 14.0 to 13.0 is a bit harder and alot more expensive
getting that same car from 13.0 to anything less is a fucking chore and a fucking huge financial investment.


the thing with the GTPs is that they already are boosted in stock form so its easy to up the boost for some big gains. additionally 3.8 liters is better than 3.2 liters, even with VTEC. there is no replacement for displacement.

scalbert

That 10 second GTP is a prepped Turbo vehicle and very nicely done IMO.

Although I might agree with you about being faster than the CL-S could, I wouldn't make a blanket statement though. The L67 has over five years more time in developing parts and support for it. Back in 2000 most of the items now were not available and have come by way of owners development work. I suspect that in 2006 - 2007 there will be quite a few CL's pulling some quick times.

danny25

just noting what i have seen personally

Punk em all 733

Ummm no it can't, it's a drivers race.

F23A4

Nascar! The zenith of automotive technology! Formula One had better lookout!!

Punk em all 733

Your a stupid fuck.

widerGTP

What about some of the most powerful engines being used in competitive sports? NHRA.


I don't really understand your point.
Mine is that the reviewer for Car and Driver is attributing the GTPs faults to being a 2 valve engine. The issue is bigger than that. The belief that 2 valves is bad or that 4 or 5 valves is the best is conceeding a lack of automotive knowledge. It's the sum of the parts and how they work together.

F23A4

Now that's an intelligent response! I'm certain your parents are proud.

F23A4

As you answered intelligently, point well taken. Question is, why did that Comp G go into limp mode @ 138mph??

scalbert

Without a doubt, F1 is well beyond NASCAR in terms of technology. I am about as anti-NASCAR as they come but there is reasoning to what they do. The cars are all running 350ci (a hallmark in American automotive history) engines and the rules used are meant to make it competitive and cost effective to have many teams competing. That is something F1 cannot lay claim to.

Now, are NASCAR engines low tech, no, not relative to street cars but certainly compared to F1. They still do some trick stuff to make good power without the use of electronics.

The comments made were in reference to the article statements referring to two valve heads running out of breathe. That is far short and should have been further clarified. In fact, at the end of the 1320 run the car is in 3rd gear at near it peak torque. The problem it that the gearing used makes it difficult for any car to pull well at that point. It would be similar to the 4th gear in the CL-S automatic; is the car running out of breathe or gear??

As I mentioned, I am not a fan of NASCAR at the least. However, I may get a chance to automate one of the well known teams engine dyno pretty soon.

scalbert

Lack of adequate cooling at that speed. My guess is that the iron block and heads were not disappating heat well enough. Who knows without getting into that car and maybe it had a problem. Anyway, I know of several GTP's that got up to those speeds and higher without problems.

Montez

This cant be said for the 97-03 GTP either they are very bit as quick as a CLS/TLS stock and will pull on a CLS auto out of the hole. The CLS's advantage is up top, down low all GTP from my experiences.

Chaptorial

From my experience i've beaten every GTP that i've raced so far. I'm stock and i'm sure the ones i've beaten were too. Again this is from my experience so i'm gonna stand by it.

GS Dave

If you were pulling, I say it is a kill, regardless of traffic.

As for the whole CLS/GTP debate, I just go on record as saying in the stop light runs, the advantage is with the GTP, but in the 1/4 mile it is a drivers race, and from a roll the CLS has the advantage. Of course I am referring to both being stock and autos. When stock, my GS trapped in 2nd gear, not 3rd. 3rd is the 1:1 gear, and like others said, makes acceleration a bit more challenging. As a matter of fact, when I am running at elevation(2700ft, I am still barely trapping in 2nd at 92mph, and that is on a 14.7 sec run.) At sea level though, I will be trapping in 3rd.

Anyway, nice run with the GTP, oh I forgot to mention, the Comp G has lower gearing than the 97-03 GTPs as well, I think it is 3.29 vs 2.93(?). I still can't figure out why they are not substantially quicker than the previous gen given 20 more HP and better gearing.

scalbert

You are correct about the newer and older ratio numbers.

Has the newer model put on weight??

Punk em all 733

Your right about the gears GS, but the new GP's have put on some weight, they are at 3596 now.


I have no clue why they weigh so much, yet the Maxima is a good 200 lbs lighter, oh well.