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Increase torque for by 20lbs and HP by 15 for $299=>
1)Cam gear (easily)
2)Inverted megaphone (tapered) pre-cat exhaust (shorty header to factory down-pipe)
3)Lighter Harmonic balancer
4)ECU/Fuel Trim (Very difficult to get that gain in torque @ low end becuase of risk of detonation with 10.5:1 compression and running to lean, + Factory ECU is of great design and programming useless to upgrade w/o serious mods)
5) Lighter Pulley
6) Lower tranny gearing ( Expensive and hurts top end)
1)Cam gear (easily)
2)Inverted megaphone (tapered) pre-cat exhaust (shorty header to factory down-pipe)
3)Lighter Harmonic balancer
4)ECU/Fuel Trim (Very difficult to get that gain in torque @ low end becuase of risk of detonation with 10.5:1 compression and running to lean, + Factory ECU is of great design and programming useless to upgrade w/o serious mods)
5) Lighter Pulley
6) Lower tranny gearing ( Expensive and hurts top end)
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From: PA
Originally posted by RedLineTypeS:
<STRONG>Increase torque for by 20lbs and HP by 15 for $299=>
1)Cam gear (easily)
2)Inverted megaphone (tapered) pre-cat exhaust (shorty header to factory down-pipe)
3)Lighter Harmonic balancer
4)ECU/Fuel Trim (Very difficult to get that gain in torque @ low end becuase of risk of detonation with 10.5:1 compression and running to lean, + Factory ECU is of great design and programming useless to upgrade w/o serious mods)
5) Lighter Pulley
6) Lower tranny gearing ( Expensive and hurts top end)</STRONG>
<STRONG>Increase torque for by 20lbs and HP by 15 for $299=>
1)Cam gear (easily)
2)Inverted megaphone (tapered) pre-cat exhaust (shorty header to factory down-pipe)
3)Lighter Harmonic balancer
4)ECU/Fuel Trim (Very difficult to get that gain in torque @ low end becuase of risk of detonation with 10.5:1 compression and running to lean, + Factory ECU is of great design and programming useless to upgrade w/o serious mods)
5) Lighter Pulley
6) Lower tranny gearing ( Expensive and hurts top end)</STRONG>
It can't be cams...their only for cl-p. My guess is ECU/fuel mapping or something to do with the exhaust. Also maybe something to make the air going into the engine cooler.
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Originally posted by KCPreki11:
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Your new and seem to know a lot?
It can't be cams...their only for cl-p. My guess is ECU/fuel mapping or something to do with the exhaust. Also maybe something to make the air going into the engine cooler.</STRONG>
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Your new and seem to know a lot?
It can't be cams...their only for cl-p. My guess is ECU/fuel mapping or something to do with the exhaust. Also maybe something to make the air going into the engine cooler.</STRONG>
it helps FI becuase the heat created by compression but not that much torque (key point here) HP is easy(r) but torque generally means displacement 
increasing backpressure via shorty headers with a tapered megaphone would help both TQ and HP opposite of Comptech long header approach as its tooooooo freeflowing and doesnt offer enough backpressure to add useable TQ but does offer HP under VTEC where exhuast expulsion is free fowing... ECU is tough becuase its very difficult to add torqeu by modifying fuel trim to a non-writabe ecu (cant be replaced for 300, and a piggy back cpu wont help as the factory ECU is fast and already tweaked to perform ... possibly requiring higher octane as all are optimized for 93 but tolerant of 89 .... requiring 93 and no less could help but wouldnt give that much TQ) cam gear another option.. balanced lighter gear... but really pusging definition of bolt-on... as would a new flywheel[ 08-23-2001: Message edited by: RedLineTypeS ]
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Originally posted by KCPreki11:
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make the air going into the engine cooler.</STRONG>
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make the air going into the engine cooler.</STRONG>
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From: PA
Originally posted by RedLineTypeS:
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Cam (SOHC only one)could be swapped for a hotter lighter cam to reduce the inertial mass spinning under low rpm's but that too would hurt mid and top end pull where the cars pretty srtong. Cooling intake wouldnt really help as its not forced induction for 300 it helps FI becuase the heat created by compression but not that much torque (key point here) HP is easy(r) but torque generally means displacement increasing backpressure via shorty headers with a tapered megaphone would help both TQ and HP opposite of Comptech long header approach as its tooooooo freeflowing and doesnt offer enough backpressure to add useable TQ but does offer HP under VTEC where exhuast expulsion is free fowing... ECU is tough becuase its very difficult to add torqeu by modifying fuel trim to a non-writabe ecu (cant be replaced for 300, and a piggy back cpu wont help as the factory ECU is fast and already tweaked to perform ... possibly requiring higher octane as all are optimized for 93 but tolerant of 89 .... requiring 93 and no less could help but wouldnt give that much TQ) cam gear another option.. balanced lighter gear... but really pusging definition of bolt-on... as would a new flywheel
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Cam (SOHC only one)could be swapped for a hotter lighter cam to reduce the inertial mass spinning under low rpm's but that too would hurt mid and top end pull where the cars pretty srtong. Cooling intake wouldnt really help as its not forced induction for 300
it helps FI becuase the heat created by compression but not that much torque (key point here) HP is easy(r) but torque generally means displacement increasing backpressure via shorty headers with a tapered megaphone would help both TQ and HP opposite of Comptech long header approach as its tooooooo freeflowing and doesnt offer enough backpressure to add useable TQ but does offer HP under VTEC where exhuast expulsion is free fowing... ECU is tough becuase its very difficult to add torqeu by modifying fuel trim to a non-writabe ecu (cant be replaced for 300, and a piggy back cpu wont help as the factory ECU is fast and already tweaked to perform ... possibly requiring higher octane as all are optimized for 93 but tolerant of 89 .... requiring 93 and no less could help but wouldnt give that much TQ) cam gear another option.. balanced lighter gear... but really pusging definition of bolt-on... as would a new flywheel[ 08-23-2001: Message edited by: RedLineTypeS ]</STRONG>
BTW is this SSMAN's brother or something lol
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From: PA
Originally posted by bioyuki:
<STRONG>He said it can be used with I/H/E mods in place...</STRONG>
<STRONG>He said it can be used with I/H/E mods in place...</STRONG>
Yea so RedlineTYPES shorty header idea is out of the question. Jayru yea those cars that have little squares stickin out of them thats exactly what they are...they just blow cold air.
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Originally posted by KCPreki11:
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Yea so RedlineTYPES shorty header idea is out of the question. Jayru yea those cars that have little squares stickin out of them thats exactly what they are...they just blow cold air.</STRONG>
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Yea so RedlineTYPES shorty header idea is out of the question. Jayru yea those cars that have little squares stickin out of them thats exactly what they are...they just blow cold air.</STRONG>
with correct megaphone coupling... but good point that does seem out ... but the cam , or cam gear are most likely thoughts for me .... the ECU in most hondas can be wurked ... this cars is pretty damn good ... so unless its optimized for 93+ Octane ..... plus those gains would be variable with ecu and i/h/e actually yielding less overall gains with i/h/e opposed to stock
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From: PA
Originally posted by RedLineTypeS:
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Short headers could be used with comptech y-pipe in place with correct megaphone coupling... but good point that does seem out ... but the cam , or cam gear are most likely thoughts for me .... the ECU in most hondas can be wurked ... this cars is pretty damn good ... so unless its optimized for 93+ Octane ..... plus those gains would be variable with ecu and i/h/e actually yielding less overall gains with i/h/e opposed to stock</STRONG>
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Short headers could be used with comptech y-pipe in place
with correct megaphone coupling... but good point that does seem out ... but the cam , or cam gear are most likely thoughts for me .... the ECU in most hondas can be wurked ... this cars is pretty damn good ... so unless its optimized for 93+ Octane ..... plus those gains would be variable with ecu and i/h/e actually yielding less overall gains with i/h/e opposed to stock</STRONG>
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From: PA
Originally posted by JZ:
<STRONG>Why not lightweight pulleys AND flywheel. Pulleys alone are shown to get about 5hp and we all seem to believe a superlight flywheel would give some good results.</STRONG>
<STRONG>Why not lightweight pulleys AND flywheel. Pulleys alone are shown to get about 5hp and we all seem to believe a superlight flywheel would give some good results.</STRONG>
Think light flywheels work good only on FI? BTW lightweight flywheels I don't think are reccomended for everyday driving.
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From: edison, nj, united states
Originally posted by KCPreki11:
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Think light flywheels work good only on FI? BTW lightweight flywheels I don't think are reccomended for everyday driving.</STRONG>
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Think light flywheels work good only on FI? BTW lightweight flywheels I don't think are reccomended for everyday driving.</STRONG>
So redline what would u need exactly if you had a lighter flywheel and cams to really extract the power? Im guessin a new fuel system and ecu to pump more gas for higher rpms, and stop the redline cutoff.
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From: PA
Originally posted by z28typeSWRXkid:
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dude a light flyweel would help alot..but i doubt ours could be much lighter. Honda is usally good at making lightweight mass for reciprocating engine parts...anything lighter on the engine itself would allow it to rev easier and higher so thats always better...but to rev higher we might need an ecu upgrade, fuel pump and injectors...and im gettin ahead of myself.
So redline what would u need exactly if you had a lighter flywheel and cams to really extract the power? Im guessin a new fuel system and ecu to pump more gas for higher rpms, and stop the redline cutoff.</STRONG>
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dude a light flyweel would help alot..but i doubt ours could be much lighter. Honda is usally good at making lightweight mass for reciprocating engine parts...anything lighter on the engine itself would allow it to rev easier and higher so thats always better...but to rev higher we might need an ecu upgrade, fuel pump and injectors...and im gettin ahead of myself.
So redline what would u need exactly if you had a lighter flywheel and cams to really extract the power? Im guessin a new fuel system and ecu to pump more gas for higher rpms, and stop the redline cutoff.</STRONG>
THERE ARE NO CAMS!!!!!!!
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Maybe a dual venturi throttle body that allows high velocity at low rpm (for low end torque) and a larger diameter secondary bore(for higher flow at vtec land). Kind of like the venturis in a four bbl carb, if anyone is old enough to remember? Seems like it would expand on the low end torque/high end flow like our IMRC and vtec timers do. Rick Case Acura has been working on turbos and up to 4.1 liter motors. I know they have had to deal with throttle bodies in their quest for the perfect CL.
Our exhaust flows are pretty well maxed out if you have headers/cai/exhaust. The bottleneck is the throttle body. We already have an almost perfectly tuned ecu, cams wouldn't take a few minutes to install,and their optimized already, gears and flywheels would be most benifitial on race and manual tranny cars.
Our exhaust flows are pretty well maxed out if you have headers/cai/exhaust. The bottleneck is the throttle body. We already have an almost perfectly tuned ecu, cams wouldn't take a few minutes to install,and their optimized already, gears and flywheels would be most benifitial on race and manual tranny cars.
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Maybe a dual venturi throttle body that allows high velocity at low rpm (for low end torque) and a larger diameter secondary bore(for higher flow at vtec land). Kind of like the venturis in a four bbl carb, if anyone is old enough to remember? Seems like it would expand on the low end torque/high end flow like our IMRC and vtec timers do. Rick Case Acura has been working on turbos and up to 4.1 liter motors. I know they have had to deal with throttle bodies in their quest for the perfect CL.
Our exhaust flows are pretty well maxed out if you have headers/cai/exhaust. The bottleneck is the throttle body. We already have an almost perfectly tuned ecu, cams wouldn't take a few minutes to install,and their optimized already, gears and flywheels would be most benifitial on race and manual tranny cars.
Our exhaust flows are pretty well maxed out if you have headers/cai/exhaust. The bottleneck is the throttle body. We already have an almost perfectly tuned ecu, cams wouldn't take a few minutes to install,and their optimized already, gears and flywheels would be most benifitial on race and manual tranny cars.
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Originally posted by KCPreki11:
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THERE ARE NO CAMS!!!!!!!
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THERE ARE NO CAMS!!!!!!!
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and you guessed it theres alzo a cam gear
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if you remeber just before the end of mr."X"...he had pics of a gtech run at 5.33 which if not tampered with and i realize the source is huge...well he was supposed to be working on an ecu harness that i thought was related to an apexi v-afc and well...chris i know atleast talked to doug alittle how closely not sure ...but it seemed he was the first to stand up and say the 3.5 was real and that he had talked with doug about it a big buy on an apexi 299...i could see it and it certainly would be an easy bolt on...and if you think about it could be the reason for not giving more info not wanting to be stuck with a shit load of apexi's that he already has...just a thought
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Jayru2 mentioned a mini refrigerator for he intake. He might be onto something. Ever hear of a peltier cooler? Its a sandwich of materials, that when DC current is applied, it sucks heat from one side to the other. Some people use them to cool seriously overclocked CPUs. You might be able to design an intake lined with coolers that would cool the air as it passed through.
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Maybe hook it up to the car's cooling system. Or if its not too much, just dump in into the engine bay. Of course, they'd have to make sure that too much condensation doesn't form inside the intake and get sucked into the engine.
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There's no way that it can be an air cooler. Just think of the math--do you gain 20ft/lbs in winter? I don't think so--there are actually calculations for this but I don't remember where they are. I think Scalbert posted them way back when.
Besides, I hope it's something a little bit more interesting than as one member called it "a mini refrigerator"--that's pretty funny
Besides, I hope it's something a little bit more interesting than as one member called it "a mini refrigerator"--that's pretty funny
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Originally posted by bioyuki:
<STRONG>Only problem with a peltier is that it will cool one side but also heat the other. People with Pelts as HSF still have to use fans to cool the other side.</STRONG>
<STRONG>Only problem with a peltier is that it will cool one side but also heat the other. People with Pelts as HSF still have to use fans to cool the other side.</STRONG>
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im leaning toward the ECU thing. But doesnt the RacersGroup or something already have that made? Its called the UNIchip. It has gotten some attention by the accord V6 guys at SHO. Only thing about this is that you would have to dyno the car to correctly tune the thing.
so thats kinda out of the question.
A guy that comes into my work tells me about Turbines and how he is planning on using it to cool computers. This could be possible i guess. But in winter conditions, it may cool too much and actually freeze the moisture in the air. So thats out of the question.
ARGH!!!
Im hoping that its gonna be like those Mugen intakes or the Comptech Icebox. Cuz i wanna get one soon, but comptech is not finished with it yet. ARGH, but he said that it would work with the I/H/E, so a replacement would be out of the question. ARGH
damn i dunno, i guess i'll go to SEMA and find out, argh i cant wait 2 months for this!!!
damn the world!
so thats kinda out of the question.
A guy that comes into my work tells me about Turbines and how he is planning on using it to cool computers. This could be possible i guess. But in winter conditions, it may cool too much and actually freeze the moisture in the air. So thats out of the question.
ARGH!!!
Im hoping that its gonna be like those Mugen intakes or the Comptech Icebox. Cuz i wanna get one soon, but comptech is not finished with it yet. ARGH, but he said that it would work with the I/H/E, so a replacement would be out of the question. ARGH
damn i dunno, i guess i'll go to SEMA and find out, argh i cant wait 2 months for this!!!
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I don't think it's the VTEC controller. If it was, what would he be showing at SEMA?
He said it looks "trick" Can't be a chip mod, who would see that.
I think it's a huge ass blower that sits on the hood Comes complete with a set of tin snips to cut your hood.
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He said it looks "trick" Can't be a chip mod, who would see that.
I think it's a huge ass blower that sits on the hood
Comes complete with a set of tin snips to cut your hood.[ 08-24-2001: Message edited by: NSXNEXT ]
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Originally posted by RedLineTypeS:
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There are no cam(s) but there is a cam... (SOHC - Single Overhead Cam) as i referenced in post abuve..... </STRONG>
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There are no cam(s) but there is a cam... (SOHC - Single Overhead Cam) as i referenced in post abuve..... </STRONG>
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Originally posted by tankmonkey:
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actually, there are cams, plural. two of them. one in each cylinder head. (SOHC refers to the number per head)</STRONG>
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actually, there are cams, plural. two of them. one in each cylinder head. (SOHC refers to the number per head)</STRONG>
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From: edison, nj, united states
Originally posted by RedLineTypeS:
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Youre right .. sorry should have been clearer regarding the sohc/dohc difference. For anyone thet doesnt know the cam(s) are a long shafts with lobes on them that rotate - as each cam lobes it pops the valves ...etc ... DOHC have 2 cams per head SOHC has a single cam per head.. many plus's and munis's for each setup....</STRONG>
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Youre right .. sorry should have been clearer regarding the sohc/dohc difference. For anyone thet doesnt know the cam(s) are a long shafts with lobes on them that rotate - as each cam lobes it pops the valves ...etc ... DOHC have 2 cams per head SOHC has a single cam per head.. many plus's and munis's for each setup....</STRONG>
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Originally posted by z28typeSWRXkid:
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Yea...DOHC usually equals less low end tourque...but the ability to rev higher because their is more valve controllability.</STRONG>
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Yea...DOHC usually equals less low end tourque...but the ability to rev higher because their is more valve controllability.</STRONG>