e30cabrio

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If you mean on the IMT there are no other terminals.

e30cabrio

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The original IM is 20.8 LBS on my bathroom scale without the two studs or bolts including the cover.

civicdrivr

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Ill weigh mine when I get home later. Its definately lighter, Id put it in the 13lb range if I had to guess.

02type-s

This is exciting, I love new mods getting discovered

LIPPSTUH

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me 2, if only the prototype headers would be reproduced... i'm sure something big things will happen soon with all the new J swaps....

civicdrivr

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Hell yea. There are already new pistons and rods, hopefully the cams and larger valves arent too far behind. Im really looking foward to more clutch and flywheel options. I read something the other day about our tranny, Im going to take another look through the Honda parts bin for that, so there may be another tranny mod thread being posted in a few weeks

LIPPSTUH

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stop -ing, tranny mod eh? i agree with you on the flywheel + clutch options and cams... looks like it'll be a fairly moderate task to go 300-320 whp N/A

Rajca

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Link to piston and rods? I'm gonna need some of those

02type-s

FOR SURE, I really want those

civicdrivr

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You share your mods, Ill share mine

But yea, 300-320whp is looking very likely without doing the 3.5l conversion. If we get a company to open up the heads for us thats an easy 40-60hp. Seeing the aftermarket open up like this is making me rethink my supercharger plans. I may go NA, which I'd prefer, even though I LOVE the supercharger whine.

LIPPSTUH

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i WAS thinking about getting an s/c by this year, i love the whine, the power, but like you i'd rather go NA after hearing about huge drop in MPG while gas prices are rising again. not that big of a deal, but with this mod and a few more mods like you mentioned, a very good power can be gained NA. then if necessary just throw on a blower.

civicdrivr

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Yea, Id love to make as much power as possible with this motor, but the car is FWD, so Im trying not to go overboard. NA I think is as far as Im going. I almost turbo'd it a few months ago, then because of jproys build I started looking at superchargers. Who knows, I can never make my mind up.

LIPPSTUH

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+1

JCharged

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I'm right there with you all. Makes me want to scrap my build and do a 4.0 now.

civicdrivr

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Just got home from work, Ill weigh the manifold in a little bit. I have to do an oil change and re-secure my damn sub enclosure.

CleanCL

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Off topic, someone did work the heads many years ago... lost a lot of power.

e30cabrio

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P2R says no.

civicdrivr

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No offense to whomever that was, but they probably didnt do it correctly. If you p&p the heads, your not doing much good if your not running cams with higher lift/duration. These heads are far from ideal, there plenty of room for improvement.

I forgot to bring the manifold inside to weigh it Ill do it tomorrow.

LIPPSTUH

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fail... jk

SPoolinspOON

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nice nice, coming right along. Maybe if the dyno numbers are good for this mod I may show my surprise.

civicdrivr

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You have a surprise, eh?

CleanCL

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Well the guy who did it was one of the pioneers... he did every mod out there and more, and did before/after dynos for every one. He also had a Unichip for ECU management. When I say years ago, I'm talking over 5 years ago. There was no such thing as cams for this car. Also we've tried a moderate regrind of the cams and it never panned out. You guys think cams will just bolton and you will have 300+whp on 3.2L? Not likely guys. If you are doing cams, valves, springs, headwork... you WILL need a full engine management as I do not believe a Greddy system will suffice for the specifics needed, especially controlling the timing. I'd say once you get past bolt-ons and move on to cam and head work with tuning, look to drop an additional 5k+. Almost better off with a supercharger at that point. Good luck to you guys, maybe it can be done. But a lot has already been tested and tried out in terms of bolt-on power.

civicdrivr

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Im banking on an actual engine management to be made for this engine. Something like Hondata, such as a variation of S300, which would be perfect. The reason Im not doing boost right now is engine management. I dont like piggyback systems. I am not a big fan of regrinds, as they can only go so far. The way I see it, if youre going to do it, do it right.

The proper cams and valves with a p&p will make power, so long as you can tune it properly. Our engine with all the bolt ons puts out about 250 at the wheels. Its not that big of a stretch to get 50 extra horsepower out of headwork. We just have to take it upon ourselves to improve upon Hondas design.

If my dreams of an engine management company producing an ems never come to fruition, I wont be going any further then bolt ons. :twocents:

e30cabrio

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Weight???

civicdrivr

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Im at work. I get home around 7pm.

CleanCL

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I hate to say it but you will never see a full replacement management solution. Only a custom job will ever been seen. The s300 type was able to utilize the holes in OBDI systems. OBDII is entirely different animal. Not to mention the basic impossibility to even flash the ECU in the 2G CL/TL. I followed the Hondata thread in the 3G TL section as the ECU system changed in that year and is able to be reflashed. After testing, Hondata themselves gave up on that project and there is a much larger market there.

The J series motor is only becoming popular for the sake of having a v6. I would wager very few will ever get to the point of boosting or serious valve work that would require a full management solution. The K and B motors have proven to produce tons of power already.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but you have to remember Honda developed VTEC. The heads on these motors are very specific. And if you don't like regrinds, then you must have a ton of money to spend. If someone out there is producing fully custom cut cams out of pieces of metal and it's not absurdly expensive... I would be VERY skeptical about putting that part into my motor.

LIPPSTUH

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funny i was searching for j32 swaps in civics and stuff. people are starting to mention that it needs full ems LIKE HONDATA. so hopefully as more and more interest arises, more products will be produced.

they guy who did the swap said it was fairly simple (for him), not much harder than a k-series swap; maybe slightly easier.

civicdrivr

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CleanCL - I respect your knowledge, so lets agree to disagree.

Lippstuh - Yea, the J swap isnt much more in depth then a K. Its actually quite easy once you figure out all the parts you need. Alot of track cars are starting to run the J, and theres quite a few turbo'd applications running around. Hasport hasnt had those J mounts out for very long so its quite amazing how many people have gone with the J.

Maybe Hondata will get pressured into making a program for the J series. Ive noticed alot of people running the 03 CL-S6 ecu so the likely-hood of that being the base is high. Im looking foward to what the future can bring for this motor.

LIPPSTUH

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there's someone running the hondata on a 3rd gen TL that i met, they never completed the project i believe but he's running it with his ct s/c

Cocoa

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Who was the one that was going to do a before and after dyno of this mod?

gnuts

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civicdriver...i'm waiting on that

civicdrivr

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You best come correct, theres no E in my name, bitch.



Yea, Im getting it dyno'd this friday or saturday morning before I do the work, then I go back the following week. Im giving the ecu some time to relearn the parameters.

CleanCL

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Yup, Hondata used a supercharged guy and n/a guy. Both saw some results, but Hondata gave up. :shrugs:

Civicdrivr - no worries man... I've been here since 2004 and I've talked to a number of members who were here in 2000. There is always the next group of guys who come along hoping for something. I try to set the bar low, so that if anything does get produced, it's a pleasant surprise. The main problem really is that the CL ECU cannot really be messed with much. It has to be a full replacement or piggy back as the only options. A full replacement that someone markets as plug and play for a CL would be pretty intense.

civicdrivr

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I understand. A full replacement for the J series would be nice. I dont have a problem wiring things up. I have a feeling Hondata or some other company will see this market opening up and decide to give it a go.

SPoolinspOON

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yeah, hope something comes out in the near future...my missing puzzle piece

gnuts

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[QUOTE=civicdrivr;11014293]You best come correct, theres no E in my name, bitch.[QUOTE]



Will there be a difference in the install at all for the 6speeds? I'm contemplating this over saving for the 3.5...can't wait for final dyno #s.

e30cabrio

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Catch can is here!

Smaller than I thought but seems like what I needed.

02type-s

^^ is that for an air compressor??

e30cabrio

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Yes.

http://www.pbase.com/rsrock/oil_catch_can

Found the idea there, liked it much better than a cheap ebay pos.

gnuts

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looks clean. How often will you have to check it/empty it though? How much can it hold?