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Old May 1, 2001 | 03:40 PM
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My rotors warped @ 15K miles and the dealer reluctantly resurfaced them. They are now severly warped again and I know the dealer will not pay for it. I would like to approach Acura on this, and possibly get a tech bulletin issued (yeah right).

Anyway, who out there has had this problem and how many times?

Also, I am looking for replacement rotors/pads other than Acura OEM - Anybody replace theirs? Recommendations? Thanks.

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Old May 1, 2001 | 03:50 PM
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I had the same problem, but with my 98 Sebring. My driving habits were a lot different with that car though.

If you're an aggressive, speedy driver, I would replace the rotors with more high performance ones. Yeh, they cost a lot more but are well worth the $$$ in the long run.


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Old May 1, 2001 | 04:02 PM
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Mine warped at 17K miles.

Acura re-surfaced them...I was thinking about going back to ask for new ones cuz I don't wanna get stuck paying for new rotors as soon as warrenty runs out....

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Old May 1, 2001 | 04:08 PM
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Had my rotors resurfaced last week under warranty, but the service rep didn't give me a hard time. Of course I slipped him a bottle of Cognac for XMAS and he'll get another for the 4th of July.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mike:
Had my rotors resurfaced last week under warranty, but the service rep didn't give me a hard time. Of course I slipped him a bottle of Cognac for XMAS and he'll get another for the 4th of July.

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bullshit, they covered that under warranty?

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Old May 1, 2001 | 04:21 PM
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Old May 1, 2001 | 04:28 PM
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how would you know if the rotors are warped or need resurfacing? does it vibrate really violently or does it make odd noises?

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Old May 1, 2001 | 04:29 PM
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My current car (94 Ford Tbird) has this problem. My front brakes warp faster than you can believe. I've only got one good suggestion to keep your rotors alive longer - get a torque wrench.

If you don't know, a torque wrench appears to be a rather large socket wrench with a dial-in setting for the maximum amount of torque it will allow you to tighten a nut to. Track down the factory specification for torque on the lug nuts (Jens? Wayne?) and adjust the lug nuts yourself every time your wheels are put back on. The problem is that air-powered guns aren't always that accurate - one lug nut might get tighened way too much, another one just barely enough, and this can really screw up the brake rotors. This isn't a solution to the problem, but it will help the lifespan of your rotors.

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Old May 1, 2001 | 04:36 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by icy CL:
how would you know if the rotors are warped or need resurfacing? does it vibrate really violently or does it make odd noises?

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Hell ya! My Sebring's front rotors were so bad the steering wheel moved back and forth at lease an inch or two when braking!




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Old May 1, 2001 | 04:43 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mike:
YUP

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sweet, i had to pay 200$ to get mine done. YOu upgraded your pads yet? And i only use the banner on special occasions
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Old May 1, 2001 | 04:52 PM
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I had a Turbo Volvo before my CL. During warranty, the dealer replaced the warped rotors, not resurface!! I didn't even ask for it. They just did. I suggest you to ask the dealer to replace it under warranty.
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how would you know if the rotors are warped or need resurfacing? does it vibrate really violently or does it make odd noises?

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Old May 1, 2001 | 05:14 PM
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My rotors were warped at 9K miles and the dealer reluctantly resurfaced them. Now at almost 17K they are starting to warp again. I don't drive any different than I did with my previous cars and I've never had warping before.
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Old May 1, 2001 | 05:15 PM
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The steering wheel will shake from side to side when you apply the brakes if your rotors are warped. The more warpage that's present, the more violently the wheel will shake.

FWIW, I had my front rotors resurfaced at 14,100 miles.

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Old May 1, 2001 | 06:04 PM
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No, but I hope to buy a new brake kit soon.
Wish AEM would release one for the CLS.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by CLpower:
sweet, i had to pay 200$ to get mine done. YOu upgraded your pads yet? And i only use the banner on special occasions </font>


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Old May 1, 2001 | 06:10 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mike:
Had my rotors resurfaced last week under warranty, but the service rep didn't give me a hard time. Of course I slipped him a bottle of Cognac for XMAS and he'll get another for the 4th of July.

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I gave a bottle of Champagne (nice stuff, $150/bottle). So for $150 I get everything free. Free oil changes, free inspections, free ANYTHING that goes wrong. I mean ANYTHING. I also get sweet loaner cars, CL,TL,RL, whatever.

This is nothing unusual either, I always take care of people in my life, what goes around, comes around...

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I just started to feel some vibration at 9k miles

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Old May 1, 2001 | 06:18 PM
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I worked at a shop many years ago. In my experience when the rotors are warped or enevenly worn you'll feel the steering wheel go from side to side OR you may feel a lurching motion of the whole car as you steadily hold the brake, especially at slow speeds, ie:as you creep up to a stoplight.

--TIP--If you don't know if what you are feeling is front or back brakes then apply your hand brake only (careful now, don't let your finger slip off the button) and you'll isolate just the rear brakes--

Most brake shops automatically re-surface your rotors when you get a brake job. If they didn't your brakes wouldn't work very well. Rotors don't just warp in one direction, but along the surface of the roter itself you'll notice grooves. Run your fingernail along the rotor from the hub outward and you'll feel them. The pads develop a corresponding set of grooves over time. When a new brake pad is put on those grooves = less surface area in contact w/ the flat pad (up to 50% or more!!). Whenever I change my pads myself I make sure I have another ride to take my rotors to a shop to be resurfaced.

Yes, be sure to check the tension of the lugnuts on your wheels, that would be why a dealer would replace them... because they screwed it up originally... and when you get your brakes done make sure they re-surface the rotors, don't let them cut corners!
By resurfacing the rotors I don't mean they apply a new amount of material to the rotor, actually it is the opposite, they put the rotors on a brake lathe and shave off a few mils of material. So your rotors will not last forever! They can only br re-surfaced 2 or so times depending on how much they have to take off each time. I've resurfaced many rotors and it is surprising how much you may have to take off just to get to a good surface. I know this may be overkill but I hope it helps.

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Old May 1, 2001 | 06:19 PM
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When my rotors were warped the car jittered when slowing down to about 30-40mph...

Horrible....




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Old May 1, 2001 | 06:58 PM
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I don't have this problem with the CL-S yet (only 6k miles) But I ran into the problem on my 97' Accord SE (front disk rear drum) at about 12k miles. Basicly every time I would apply the brakes the steering wheel would vibrate and pull back and forth. I was told this was a problem that happened pretty frequently and was told the reason was that the rotors weren't big enough for the car. I wonder if this is also the case with the CL-S?

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You guys aren't spraying cold water on your hot brakes are you???

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by moomaster_99:
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That is a possibly for some people who go to car washes. I know I feel like they are warped and that was before everybody starting talking about it. I'm hoping its just the tires need balancing or something.

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Old May 1, 2001 | 09:23 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by moomaster_99:
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Shit, I didn't know that can warp rotors. Really? I've done this a few times, but my rotors are fine after 18k miles.


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Old May 1, 2001 | 09:56 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by tel1sps:
I just started to feel some vibration at 9k miles
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Old May 1, 2001 | 10:27 PM
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Everyone I talk to about the rotors and the brakes in general agree that Honda brakes suck for the most part. New rotors(cross drilled) are less than you think (like$100/ea)and will make a big difference especially if coupled with some upgraded pads.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by colbster:
Everyone I talk to about the rotors and the brakes in general agree that Honda brakes suck for the most part. New rotors(cross drilled) are less than you think (like$100/ea)and will make a big difference especially if coupled with some upgraded pads.

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How much does it cost for new honda rotors?


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Old May 1, 2001 | 10:53 PM
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I saw a couple people mention Fords with this problem - FYI - Fords are NOTORIOUS for "warped" brake rotors. You just gotta live with them in Fords or buy aftermarket.

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I'll let you guys know when I put another 14,890 miles (when I get to 15k on mine) how the rotors are.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by NOMAD:
I worked at a shop many years ago. In my experience when the rotors are warped or enevenly worn you'll feel the steering wheel go from side to side OR you may feel a lurching motion of the whole car as you steadily hold the brake, especially at slow speeds, ie:as you creep up to a stoplight.

--TIP--If you don't know if what you are feeling is front or back brakes then apply your hand brake only (careful now, don't let your finger slip off the button) and you'll isolate just the rear brakes--

Most brake shops automatically re-surface your rotors when you get a brake job. If they didn't your brakes wouldn't work very well. Rotors don't just warp in one direction, but along the surface of the roter itself you'll notice grooves. Run your fingernail along the rotor from the hub outward and you'll feel them. The pads develop a corresponding set of grooves over time. When a new brake pad is put on those grooves = less surface area in contact w/ the flat pad (up to 50% or more!!). Whenever I change my pads myself I make sure I have another ride to take my rotors to a shop to be resurfaced.

Yes, be sure to check the tension of the lugnuts on your wheels, that would be why a dealer would replace them... because they screwed it up originally... and when you get your brakes done make sure they re-surface the rotors, don't let them cut corners!
By resurfacing the rotors I don't mean they apply a new amount of material to the rotor, actually it is the opposite, they put the rotors on a brake lathe and shave off a few mils of material. So your rotors will not last forever! They can only br re-surfaced 2 or so times depending on how much they have to take off each time. I've resurfaced many rotors and it is surprising how much you may have to take off just to get to a good surface. I know this may be overkill but I hope it helps.

Peace,
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YOU should see what happens when some moron lathes the rotors with too coarse of a pitch. The pads vibrate like crazy, 'cause the pads are skiping on the spiral groove like a broken record needle!

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Old May 2, 2001 | 08:55 AM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by colbster:
Everyone I talk to about the rotors and the brakes in general agree that Honda brakes suck for the most part. New rotors(cross drilled) are less than you think (like$100/ea)and will make a big difference especially if coupled with some upgraded pads.

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Where can ya get cross drilled rotors for $100???



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Old May 2, 2001 | 11:33 AM
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Yeah, you can seriously jack up some rotors on a lathe if you don't know what you are doing.

Honda brakes are known for warping because (from what I hear) most shops don't treat them correctly. They torque em down tight, slap em together and on to the next car...
It is a small car brake and they use their air guns for everything these days. Airguns are made to apply high torque and break stuff free, they were also made for those american cars made out of "cast iron"!! I think if Brake shops, mechanics, and even dealership service people (see how I made that PC? ) would take a little more time and care they wouldn't be so bad.

But in general, factory parts aren't always the best, espesially ones that are meant to be replaced like brakes (or in the case of Ford: Engines, he he ).
Invest in aftermarket parts that are the best... and that's what you'll get.
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Old May 2, 2001 | 05:03 PM
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Mine warped after about 16-17K.
Dealer resurfaced them reluctanctly under warranty. He tried to blame the problem on my driving. BS
Now they're as bad as ever again at 45K. I'll probably have ahmotor.com replace them with cross drilled ones next time i go there for service.


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Old May 2, 2001 | 05:10 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Technique:
I gave a bottle of Champagne (nice stuff, $150/bottle). So for $150 I get everything free. Free oil changes, free inspections, free ANYTHING that goes wrong. I mean ANYTHING. I also get sweet loaner cars, CL,TL,RL, whatever.

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Old May 2, 2001 | 08:46 PM
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Where does it say in the warranty that brakes are not covered? I want to be prepared when my dealer tries to weasel out of the problem. I think this one will go to Honda of America.

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Old May 2, 2001 | 08:48 PM
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I told my dealer bout warping.

He scheduled the fix for next week without a peep -- however, what should i expect? The pads aren't covered? The labour?

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Old May 4, 2001 | 05:32 PM
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Warrenty service fully covered the resurfacing of the rotors...pads are not covered whatsoever....pads are fairly cheap though, and most likley they will not charge labour for popping them in.



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Old May 4, 2001 | 07:31 PM
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I was reading this, and it occured to me that the Park Avenue guys haven't posted in this topic.

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Old May 7, 2001 | 09:29 PM
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UGH! Mine started doing this today! Now it bugs me. I'm now looking for rotors online. Found some at ahmotor.com, but don't know if I like the "gold" color. Didn't list a price either. Autocarparts.com has nice ones, but they are 328 bucks for the fronts, and I don't even know who makes them!

Shit. I want new rotors that won't warp.


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Old May 7, 2001 | 09:32 PM
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WOW!!! 45K...now I don't feel so bad about the mileage on my car..
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by UDMechE:
Mine warped after about 16-17K.
Dealer resurfaced them reluctanctly under warranty. He tried to blame the problem on my driving. BS
Now they're as bad as ever again at 45K. I'll probably have ahmotor.com replace them with cross drilled ones next time i go there for service.


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Old May 7, 2001 | 09:37 PM
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My rioters warped on my 96 Integra GSR, 99 prelude, and my 99 3.0 cl. I hope it doesn't happen to soon in my new cls!!

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Old May 7, 2001 | 09:41 PM
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Cajun Gumbo Man
 
Joined: Oct 2000
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From: California
count me in ! I sure mine are warped !

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2001 CL Type S Black/Ebony w/NAVI, PIAA bulbs, Tinted windows, JL Sub-woofer/Fosgate 250 watt amp, otherwise pure stock
1998 Accord Coupe EX-V6
Black Currant Pearl, PIAA bulbs, tinted windows, Fosgate 500 watt amp, Eclipes 6X9's,JL Sub-woofer, otherwise PURE stock !
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