I've read a lot about people having problems with the paint on their CL's. Is the problem going to be fixed in the 2002 CL? How did you guys habdle it? Any permanent solutions? thanx....

 

nope , I think someone here said that most car manufacturers were forced to switch to a water based paint and it aparently sucks really bad. The only temporary solutions is about 8 coats of ZAINO

 

what kind of paint problem??

 

. Well there is two problem i know: one is the paint in our car is easily chip(thin),and the other one is stain under the clear coat that look like a very very light brownish color... I think Novawhite got this problem and some of the other members to..

 

Don't hold your breath on getting better paint. Don't sweat it, just go zaino all the way, baby!!!!!

 

what's zaino? and how do you apply it? did u do it urselves? what area of the car does the chipping of the paint usually occur? does anyone know wheteher or not this (and otehr) problems will come up in the 2002 CL? thanx a lot...

 

I have about 6 coats of ZAINO and my car is bug and rock chip resistant!

 

See:
www.zainobros.com

 

Right ! Zaino right........come on guys ! Quit selling Zaino as the solution, because it's not ! We got what we paid for !!!!!

Flame resistance !

 

Well, the paint that is on the exterior of my car is very nicely done -- I got lucky. You can tell where they didn't get "fancy" on the inside of the doorjams -- they used filler.

As far as getting on the Zaino -- it really does help as long as were not talking about meteorite hits (I also have over 15 coats on the car and it does look “thick”.)

I had a hit into the windshield that scared the $hit of us, and there were splay marks where the Zaino sprayed about 1/2- to 1-inch from the 1/8" center of a sandstone/granite rock hit. I thought I had wasted the windshield and stopped to figure out how much I would be spending in the next few days. After wiping with a paper towel and water, the glass only had a small 1 mm scratch – Zaino sure helped! (BTW – It sounded like someone shot a gun at us.)

That stuff is better than most people give credit and I've seen some cars with great looking paint and others that look like $hit; same goes for the build quality: the panels on some cars are lined-up perfectly, and others are a disgrace.

If you don't use something, don't knock it. As good as some of the paints are (BMW uses a power coat clear coat on some models), our paint can use the help. My Maxima was built in Japan without clear coat and the front hood got too light of a coat of paint -- I felt like I was an acne doctor with all of the touch-ups. (Good think that the Nissan touch up paint matched the color [if the primer was still on], and I am very good at color sanding.)

Flame me back -- the Zaino really helps...

BTW -- That 3M clear plastic is great stuff. Anyone in an area with a lot of truck traffic (especially sand, cement, and gravel trucks) should consider some for the front bumper, mirrors, and front half of the hood...

[ 08-23-2001: Message edited by: EricL ]

 

I would think that most chips happen on the front, where you get direct hits from rocks and etc kicked up by cars in front of you.
(which is a big positive for car bras)

Also if you don't have mud guards your own tires can kick up rocks and chip the inside of the wheel well. (mine did anyway).

Another option to protect your paint is that permanent clear bra stuff. I saw some on a TL at the Park Ave meet and it didn't look half bad.

Most people zaino themselves, because it's pretty easy.

 

I can understand people getting sick of us Zaino fanatics. However you cannot deny that Zaino is a legit solution for the paint. Zaino has saved my paint's ass several times already.

The ideal thing is for Acura to use better paint, but they aren't, so what are you going to do?

I suppose any wax can qualify, however the fact that you can layer Zaino makes it by far the best of the bunch.

 

Do certain colors suffer more from the problem than others? Is the problem so bad that one shouldn't get the car? thanx again...

 

Well, I worked for BASF Automotive Coatings Division for 5 years. About 4 years of that was spent in a facility that makes solvent based car paint. The other year was spent at a Ford facility that sprays the paint. Certain colors like Red tend to fade very easily. The red pigment is severely affected by UV light. Black and whites hold up well in harsh sunlight (i.e. Texas). The clearcost contains chemicals that absorb UV light. That is why after the clearcoat peels off your paint becomes chalky and discolored. It is being broken down by O2 and UV. Metallics are tricky to paint. They tend to mottle. Mottle is when there are light and dark spots on the paint of a metallic car. So yes, some colors are tricky to paint. However, when a car comes out of the paintbooth and is about to head to final assembly, it is checked for color with a hand held machine called a Wavescan. This machine measures the amount of colors in a paint via reflected lightwaves. If a car does not meet spec., then it is sent through again to be painted. This is only done once and then the car is scrap. Paint really is hard to get right. But any paint job that hits the showroom floor "should" be okay. I know we had a ton of probs at Ford. I know stuff gets out that is not spec in order to meet customer demand. As far as Acura paint chipping easily that might be the case. I don't think it is necessarily due to the waterborne paint. Really the only difference between waterborne and solventborne is that the substrate better be 100% clean when using the waterborne. Solvent based tends to clean the substrate as it sprays. If you bought a car that came out early in the production cycle you might have some problems. For instance, it really is hard to get everything right. You can do all the tests you want. But when it comes to the first few hundred cars, the paint quality might be questionable. There are a number of factors that have to be adjusted such as time in the oven, how thick to spray it, the humidity. As bad as it sounds, that is most often the way it is. The end paint job is still in spec, but probably not as good as it should be. Also, car plants don't wait until a new model year to make changes. For instance, if there are enough complaints, they will reformulate the paint as soon as a problem is recognized (depending on cost). However these changes take time. I can tell you that paint jobs from late in the 2001 model year is going to be better than the first few hundred cars. Also, the paint jobs on Fords are awful. We did some crazy shit to the paint. We would add chemicals to the paint to increase its ability to be electrostatically sprayed. However, this chemical would decrease performance in gas soak tests. With Ford, its all about how cheap you can make it. I would like to think Honda is a little better.

 

Eric:
I have no issues with Zaino, I'm very happy with Finish First products for the past 4 years with both my Honda Accord coupe and CLS. I have in fact, a box of Zaino, I just can't seem to dedicate 24 hours to apply it. I can wash/wax my car with Finish first products in less that 3 hours ! As I get older, I find "less" time in life to tend to my cars !
It's just the way it is !
BTW, I met Technique in person and he speaks highly of you ! I can't wait to get my Toyo's, but not till my Michilems are worn out......I don't like to waste my money !

 

Fab, u wanna unload ur Zaino products?

 

Hellawhat:
I would prefer to have you use these products to wax my car ! J/K

The box is somewhere in my garage burried somewhere ! One day in the fall, because it's hot as hell in Antioch, I'll get around to zainoing my Accord.

 

hahah anything to keep us away from yuor house Lol.. No porb, just wanted to know if u wanted to part with them or not.

 

Just so ya know -- TS Clear Coat (used by the Navy to protect the paint on F-14s) is what gets used for my wife's car. It sits in the sun more, and only needs to be applied every 6-months for super protection. (However, she doesn't do a lot of freeway commuting)...

BTW -- I wish Sal Zaino would release his new "magic" additive already...