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Old 07-08-2003 | 12:45 AM
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OK...this is not really on the topic of cars, but it kinda is related...NEED HELP!!

Guys, i was wondering if any of u know where i can get a good deal on a used sport bike....i am lookin for a 2001-2002 Honda CBR F4I (preferably yellow or silver/red)....or a 2000-2002 Yamaha YZF-R6(blue or red)....I really want low miles and i am desperately in need of either bike....Please, if u or anyone u know can help, i would greatly appreciate it. =)

Please reply to this thread or pm if u can help.

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(sorry if this is off topic, but not many people read the other forums.)
Old 07-08-2003 | 12:56 AM
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Get the new cbr 600rr brand new, if you are looking for a 6.

Or ninja zx-6r.
Old 07-08-2003 | 01:00 AM
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Originally posted by skinsfan202
Get the new cbr 600rr brand new, if you are looking for a 6.

Or ninja zx-6r.
its my first bike so i dont wish to buy a brand new one...plus, i was in the store lookin at it today and after tax, lic. fees n such, it was close to 11k....im lookin to spend somewhere around 5k since its just another toy and ill prolly get bored w/ it.
Old 07-08-2003 | 01:18 AM
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You will probably want a bigger bike soon after. I first learned how to ride on a 900rr. So don't think you have to get a 6 cause it's your first bike. I'm sure you will find something for 5 grand, keep us posted on what you do.
Old 07-08-2003 | 02:31 AM
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My first bike was a cbr600 and I dont regret it at all. Your doing the smart thing buying used first. I dropped 2 times just in the driveway. You can always move up, I got cbr900 6 mos later then a year after that I got my GSXR-1000. First start off in cycle trader(if your have that) then go to bike shops to check the bikes in person.
Old 07-08-2003 | 08:40 AM
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I don't think you're going to have a lot of luck getting either of those bikes for around 5k. My friend just picked up a used 2002 F4i and he payed closer to 7k for it - it did have low miles though.

I won't get into the whole "good first bike" argument - get what you want, just respect it. I'd also highly recommend taking an MSF class if you haven't done that yet. Also, I'd recommend taking a look at SV650, or if your mind is set on a supersport - check out the suzuki gsxr...


Hey gdubb - what year gixxer did you get? I just picked up my 03 1k like 2 weeks ago - the break-in period is killing me.
Old 07-08-2003 | 09:38 AM
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Find the bike that you feel most comfortable on. You may or may not be able to test drive a bunch of bikes, but if you sit on a few you will know real fast what works for you. Also, I am with 99gixxer - take the class!!!!! I took it years ago and it is worth the $. Plus you get an ins. discount.

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Old 07-08-2003 | 07:19 PM
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Originally posted by 99gixxer
I don't think you're going to have a lot of luck getting either of those bikes for around 5k. My friend just picked up a used 2002 F4i and he payed closer to 7k for it - it did have low miles though.

I won't get into the whole "good first bike" argument - get what you want, just respect it. I'd also highly recommend taking an MSF class if you haven't done that yet. Also, I'd recommend taking a look at SV650, or if your mind is set on a supersport - check out the suzuki gsxr...


Hey gdubb - what year gixxer did you get? I just picked up my 03 1k like 2 weeks ago - the break-in period is killing me.
i dont kno much about buying bikes and how it works when negotiating deals...i know its prolly different than cars but do u think or can u ask ur friend if $8000.00 OTD is a good deal for a 2002 CBR F4i BRAND NEW?
Old 07-08-2003 | 07:25 PM
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Have you tried eBay?
Old 07-08-2003 | 07:27 PM
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i dont know how dealers make money on bikes but i think they can sell them way lower than MSRP...just like if u were buying a car...is that true? or do they only make a couple hundred bucks on each bike?

Im not sure if im gettin ripped off so if anyone can help me here, id really appreciate it...thanks in advance =)
Old 07-08-2003 | 07:29 PM
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Originally posted by KCPreki11
Have you tried eBay?
yea, but i think im shootin for new just for the piece of mind since u never know what happened to it b4. Plus all my buddies tell me not to buy a bike thats been down cause itll never ride the same again....i dont know...IM SO CONFUSED right now
Old 07-08-2003 | 07:47 PM
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I worked at a dealer in the past. There is less than 20% mark-up. Thus a $9,000.00 bike has less than 1600 profit on the front end. There is a hold back which is a few more buck for the dealer of course and then there are junk fees like dealer prep and any monies made on financing.
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Originally posted by DHRJDMBA
I worked at a dealer in the past. There is less than 20% mark-up. Thus a $9,000.00 bike has less than 1600 profit on the front end. There is a hold back which is a few more buck for the dealer of course and then there are junk fees like dealer prep and any monies made on financing.

so, MSRP is 8199 and tax in cali is 7.75%....$8000 OTD including tax and licenscening is a good or bad deal? for a 02CBR600 F4i

thx
Old 07-08-2003 | 08:09 PM
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Originally posted by 99gixxer
I don't think you're going to have a lot of luck getting either of those bikes for around 5k. My friend just picked up a used 2002 F4i and he payed closer to 7k for it - it did have low miles though.

I won't get into the whole "good first bike" argument - get what you want, just respect it. I'd also highly recommend taking an MSF class if you haven't done that yet. Also, I'd recommend taking a look at SV650, or if your mind is set on a supersport - check out the suzuki gsxr...


Hey gdubb - what year gixxer did you get? I just picked up my 03 1k like 2 weeks ago - the break-in period is killing me.
I ordered it in Nov 2000, arrived Feb 21st 2001. I got the faster Black and Silver. I bought the first 1000 out the dealership. Damn that 03 looks crazy, 01 was enough for me
Old 07-08-2003 | 08:19 PM
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Originally posted by gdubb
I ordered it in Nov 2000, arrived Feb 21st 2001. I got the faster Black and Silver. I bought the first 1000 out the dealership. Damn that 03 looks crazy, 01 was enough for me
so do u think im gettin a good deal for that new 02? (posted above)
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Good Or Bad Deal...?

The only way you're going to know if it's a good deal or not is to do some research on your own. Look at online bike sales & look at what people are asking...each market is different. Assume a little bit for mark-up & realize you are looking PEAK season. It's going to be next to impossible to break someone's balls on price this time of year.

www.cycletrader.com

Try Yahoo auctions/classifieds too. My last bike was bought from a guy on Yahoo...but I bought in November...got a great deal.

Good Luck & remember, even if you don't get a smokin deal on your first bike... atleast it won't depreciate as bad as a car...


Originally posted by mr. big
so, MSRP is 8199 and tax in cali is 7.75%....$8000 OTD including tax and licenscening is a good or bad deal? for a 02CBR600 F4i

thx
Old 07-08-2003 | 09:30 PM
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Mr Big, hoestly thats a little high for an 02 only if this used, this is a new bike now correct? You should be able to find one for about 6500-7500 I think depending on the miles. If your buying used DONT buy at a dealship trust me(PM and I will give you details why). Just go there to look but then buy from an indvidual. Also there are things to look for also as far you know if its been droped and not just looking at the plastic
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Right

Really should stick to a cheaper bike since this is the first one anyhow...like everyone has said...you're going to drop it(atleast once & hopefully you won't be on it). And yes...dealerships will rip your nuts off in season.


...You should be able to find one for about 6500-7500 I think depending on the miles. If your buying used DONT buy at a dealship trust me...
Old 07-09-2003 | 03:13 AM
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Originally posted by gdubb
Mr Big, hoestly thats a little high for an 02 only if this used, this is a new bike now correct? You should be able to find one for about 6500-7500 I think depending on the miles. If your buying used DONT buy at a dealship trust me(PM and I will give you details why). Just go there to look but then buy from an indvidual. Also there are things to look for also as far you know if its been droped and not just looking at the plastic
OK, so i go to CYCLEBUY.COM and paid $10 bucks for a dealer invoice report. (whether or not this is true, i have no idea) And the invoice came out to be $7101(7067+$34 assembly) for a BRAND NEW 2002 F4I. Also, they get a holdback which is 5% of the MSRP (8199). So u think 100 over invoice + tax n lic. is fair??

I mean, theyre making at least 500 bucks already. Plus, they want to get rid of this bike fast since its been on the floor for over a year and is costing them money to keep it.
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OK a little more info for ya. These dealers could care less if you know what the invoice is or what YOUR willing to pay. These are toys and they dont have to give deals because almost every dealership works the same, sometimes almost no competition. But If you do want this bike let them know its been on there show room atleast 6-8 months. Bikes come out in March, and none usually get produced after November. Now ask yourself this: Is it worth it to but it new, or save atleast 1500 bucks and get yourself an Arai helmet and Joe Rocket leathers. Which you WILL need.

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Originally posted by mr. big
i dont kno much about buying bikes and how it works when negotiating deals...i know its prolly different than cars but do u think or can u ask ur friend if $8000.00 OTD is a good deal for a 2002 CBR F4i BRAND NEW?
I think that is a bit expensive for a 2002 - you should be able to get the 2003 for right around that price. You'll find some dealers are willing to go down more than others. The biggest thing with bikes is that, for the most part, if you won't pay what the dealer is asking, someone else will.
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Originally posted by gdubb
I ordered it in Nov 2000, arrived Feb 21st 2001. I got the faster Black and Silver. I bought the first 1000 out the dealership. Damn that 03 looks crazy, 01 was enough for me
I loved the way the black/silver looks. I ended up getting the blue/white/black since I hated the way the plain silver one looked. The bike is insanely powerful - unless I bring it to a track, there is no way I can really ride it at even 50% of its potential...it's just got so much power(very controllable though). The biggest thing about the 03 1k - it's by far the most comfortable supersport I've ever ridden
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One more thing is that the dealers make money on the new "hot" sport bikes. If you choose something that has not been made over for 03 you will likely find better pricing. For example the new 600RR or the ZX-6RR will not go cheap. Also, the dealers make MORE money on the used bikes, but may also be able to be more flexible. Think of it this way, they screwed the guy they bought the bike from and now they have a much bigger margin on the bike.
Oh and FYI when I bought my 7R, my local dealer wanted 1k more than a paid to a not-so-local dealer. That is a decent savings to drive an hour. Also, the dealers are owned by the same company - go figure.

Go luck!
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i think i am just gonna bite the bullet and pay cash to get the best deal possible. Thanks guys, for ur help! i appreciate ur efforts :=)
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