I know ive posted many threads on M3 vs my 01 cl-s, but honestly i need somthing faster with stick, and under 23k?
And it has to be nice looking too?

My choices: 1995-1999 M3: One of favorite cars of all time, great looking but played out style by M3 imitators, very fun to drive, and mod ability is unlimited

Subaru WRX: I dont think it looks that nice and is very cheap inside, but it is fun to drive and has very good mod abilities

Audi S4: german built(unreliable), fast car, Turbo engine meaning mods, and not to hard on the eyes

Honda S2000: fast, great looking, sporty drive, juss pure sports car IMO, but its a soft top vert and i dont like how they look when they are put up

Lastly: My choice but to expensive, 2003 cl type-s 6 speed, but only problem FWD. other then that i wouldnt mind i love cl's but they're arent sporty enough.

 

03 cl-s

 

thanks for replying but Why i the question? i need reasons in all major factors of buying a fun car? looks, performance, modability

 

Dont get the audi, they are pieces of crap.

 

thats what i said unreliable, but even the S- divison of audi?

 

E36 M3.

 

juss stick to what you have and save up fer a bigger and better car... u do have a lotta posts "considering" ur next car... my reply is "why not keep saving?".. the more you save, the more possibilites and the better the car you'll get

 

but how much should i save man, b.c if i keep the cl for another 3 years, im gonna mod some how, also our cl's depreciate like crazy, honestly what i really want is a g35 coupe or a e36 m3, but who knows when i can afford a g35 coupe?

 

any more opinions i have to make sure what i need by the end of summer, otheriwise im gonna be driving this ride for a while

 

I don't think you NEED another car at all. Aren't you like 16-17 years old....You have a much better car than most people twice your age. You should just keep your current car and be happy with what you have. Mod it a little while your at it.

 

i am happy, i love it, but im looking for a car at the same price range, with a manual tranny, and equal or better performance, i mean if i had your car i would be a happy man!!! All i need is that 6 speed!

 

Well if it will make you happier in the long run go for it.

 

I say get a S2000.

So 23k you can get a low mileage one. If you buy a e36 m3 then it will have much more mileage on it if you only want to spend 23k.

 

You can get a mint condition, crazy low mileage '95 (best year yadda yadda) M3 for under $20k.

 

Used WRX's can be got for cheap and the potential of the turbo is a beautiful thing.

 

Keep the CL and save!!!

 

I dont think he should drive a M3 without traction control since hes under 18 years old. (wow i sound like a old man)

Does the s2k even have traction control? HMM.

 

save it for higher education. have you ever heard of someone in college saying, "i wish i had less money." you have only had this car for less than a year. for a first car, id say you are doing quite well.

 

Once you get to college, you'll prob be broke. I'm only halfway through, and I wish I didn't have a car payment every month. Yeah, so I have a nice car, but I'm in the poorhouse. For 16, the CL is a damn nice car.

 

S2000 would be worse than an M3 as far as being twitchy at the limits. It doesn't have any type of traction control and I would only get it if he has alot of RWD wheel time.

 

what do mean i cant drive the m3 if im under 18, i know what you mean, but man have i been through alot of crazy shit with cars since the age of 14. Not like this means anything but my dad has a 1997 325is 5 speed and i can control that very easily, and ive got FWD mastered. But the M3 is probably dfferent territory!!!!!!!!

I really know how to control cars, its the amount of experience in bad situations not the age that counts. But i still will be carefull with an M3. seen alot of wrecks!!

 

I've looked at a lot of the same cars on your list and have axed them all. I want something faster and all of the cars I have tested are about average performance wise today. I have my heart set out on a 98-00 C5 Coupe or 99-00 FRC, both in 6 speed. A stock C5 is fast enough for me and when I get bored there is a huge aftermarket behind the LS1.

 

^^ are they avg modded, thats why i want them

 

FYI... I have a brand new A4 loaner and the ESP on it almost got me into an accident. I was on my usual route to work today and I came around a corner brisk, but nowhere near the limits. It had just started to drizzle and the roads were slightly damp, nothing I hadnt experienced before. Well, I hit the apex of the turn I drive on everyday, and the car strarted to understeer. I then let off the gas and let the car do the work. Well, ESP sensed the understeer conditions and applied brake to what felt like the inside rear tire. The car proceeded to then snap into oversteer which I corrected with steering inputs. Again, I was going relatively slow.

 

weird, i have yet to see my ESP light go off. Dunno what to tell ya with that A4

 

i want to be believe you, but for some reason i cant. im not trying to hate on you or anything, but jesal is right. at 16 yrs old, unless you are about to go be pro driver, a car without tcs may be too much for you. but good luck. i would get an s2k. you dont need anymore than 2 seats, and a used s4 or m3 would get expensive to maintain.

 

if you want a 6 speed then E36 M3 only got 5

S2000 is good but not praticle. NO AUDI. WRX um... WRX is good (i like the wagon)

I say get the E36 M3.

 

i forgot one major factor reliability, how would these cars put out through the years, Audi: unreliable, BMW: solid engine but hows maintinence? I heard its not cheap. Wrx: i dunno shit about subaru's?

 

As for maintance, BMWs cost a lot to maintain properly. And when you have a Motorsport product, cost even more to maintain. If you think that the Acuras service is high, try BMW's.

 

This thread makes me cause I know you won't buy a new car. Your allowance is $20 a week.

 

ey fuck face, im gonna sell the ack and i got a couple of g's in the bank, why you still pickin on me dickwipe

 

i say u get a used 350z since u kive in cali u can have rwd

 

how much do they go for man ?

 

Save ur money, then you can buy a HOUSE with a garage for ur car...not be livining in ur car!!!!! Look to the future, the present is quickly slipping away....

 

Theres a black one on ebay for sale with 3000 miles for $23,800.
2003 model.

 

you're way outta ur price range if you gonna buy ur next car based on the sale of ur CL and the 'couple g's' you have in the bank...

i agree w/ mrsteve ur posts are a complete waste, but pure comedy of a boy's dreams

 

Yea it was weird. Also, I noticed when testing out the brakes that if you initially stab the brakes and then apply more pressure, the system goes into full ABS. I am sure the system has some sort of electronic braking system that senses this. Too many electronic safetly systems on cars these days.

 

Serious, I feel you on this issue, I'm drivin an 01 CL-S too, and I love this car but I constantly think about the tranny going out on me at 100,001 miles and think about how much of a hole that will burn in my pocket, cause I don't want my parents to pay for shit (though they can more than afford it).

I think about investing a few grand from my savings into a 6 sp but it just ain't worth it. If I'm lucky then the tranny will blow before 100k (30k to go) and I'll get a new one that will (hopefully) work. If I'm not lucky then I will find a way to break that shit myself. Hold out and relax. I don't know how good of a driver you are, but "I've already mastered FWD" sounds like you might be overestimating your own skill.

 

U can have 1 foot, 3 fingers on one hand, 1 eye, and the driving experience of a newborn baby to "master" FWD. Nothing to master.

 

that's an ignorant statement.