Water-S

Good news and bad news guys
bad news: dad just came home(he works for Honda of America) with info/numbers on the 03 Accord it stacks up like this the little 4 popper is turning something like 170-180 hp then they'll offer a Type R model Accord which will have a 2.4 Liter motor turning 200 HP then the LISTEN TO THIS(here's the bad news) they're gonna take our motor 3.2 and use it in the new accords producing 240 HP.
now the good news: there's light at the end of the tunnel as far as the 3.5 or bigger motor for TL/CL. I guess some press questioned why they didn't put the 3.5 in the new Gen. Accord(03 style) they said they gotta build one for the CL/TL first then they'll work on "adapting" it to the Accord.
now the good news about this I think since Accords are so common and main stream i think they'll be more performance parts for our motors that will interchange.
the bad part is you don't have the edge like you did on the old
v-6 Accords.
Now about pictures of the 03 Accord(I wasn't even suppose to hear about this yet plus dad wasn't suppose to bring this home) Personally I don't like the way it looks. best way to decribe the rear end on it is the taillight are "thinner" and rap around the back curve it.
the front end kinda of reminds me of a RSX.
Personally I don't like it (but maybe in a month or 2)or once i see it with a body kit i might like it. for now you can chalk up a hopeful future owner of a CL-S:P

Zapata

Excellent!!! Thanks for the information

'04 cls 3.5L v6 = 290 HP/ 260ft-lbs trq?

Nashua_Night_Hawk

The '04 cls 3.5L v6 = 300 HP/ 270ft-lbs trq

It is the same engine in dualnote.

Zapata

oh my. I'd faint if this came into fruition..

CCns24

That would definately be worth waiting for

Nashua_Night_Hawk

Expect also a 3.8L with 280-300HP and 300 lbft for the MDX Type-S

IntegraVT

iTrader: (1)

I wonder if the '03 Accord get our 5AT with SS?

One would hope they ironed out all the tranny problems before they decide to make/sell 400,000+ of them a year.

Nashua_Night_Hawk

Why 240HP, Just plug our CLS engine wth 5-AT and 6-MT. presto! why de-tune. I guess it would be underrated.

After all it would have to crash Alti and Maxi too...

gavriil

Is this it?

gavriil

I dont think this will be happening in the 04 model Zap. Maybe 05 if there will be an 05.

gavriil

I doubt 300.

280 will be the max. Probably closer to 270. And I doubt the 300 pounds of torque. Maybe closer to 285 pounds.

We'll see.

gavriil

I am guessing YES. Maybe slightly different ratios but close.

riceboy

so...

'03 Honda Accord 3.2 V-6 = 240 HP
'03 Acura 3.2CL-P = 225 HP
'03 Acura 3.2TL-P = 225HP

???
More HP in a Honda?

ELITE TYPE S

that would look really dumb if they did...i'm guessing cl-p will get the 3.2L 260hp that the type-s's have and bump up in hp for type s...so that accord would maintain the current 25ish hp difference with cl/tl

Nugs3

Damn..... I like that!

DaveTypeS02

im sure the new accord will have IVTEC like the rsx

ItalianStallion

if that's true (it makes sense if it is) then that kills the hopes for us using accord based mods. i think what may be capable for an iVTEC is not compatable with VTEC. i think i heard that around somewhere. and if that is a real picture then id LOVE to see the coupe.

danny25

I got my new Motor Trend today, which had drawings of what the new Accords may look like, and also info on the engines. They said (and I'm not saying they know everything for a certainty) that the 4 banger will be a 2.4L from the CRV, which may get a power boost to more than the ~160 the CRV comes with. But the 3.0L with ~200hp will be carried over.

Water-S

that's the pic i saw is the one above.

man if that new generation CL type S out of the factory with a 3.5 300 HP that thing will be OFF THE HOOK I bet with a 6-speed in that you could burn the tires between 1st and 2nd without trying.(like dumping the clutch) I'm expecting at least 280 HP out of the new Generation CL type S (cause the new Accord v-6 will have 240 Ponies, usually if you wanna market a "next step up car" usually you want atleast 25-30 hp)
you add maybe a set of headers and you'll be killing Maxima 5-speeds(with a Automatic). I know for sure even if I had the money for a new CL(which i don't ) and I could wait 2-3 years I would for the new motor. I know all you guys are ticked that got the new 6 speed thinking you'd have a leg up on all the Automatic guys now the Automatic guys will get the new gen car with the new motor (it will probably about balance out for the amount of power lost in a Automatic)
now only thing is I gotta make my car last about 2-4 years(2 reasons)(#1 i will have WELL OVER 200 grand on the ticker(probably closer to 250 or 300 grand on it and #2 If you know about the wonderful insurance companies . Since I'm 20(and I bet y'all know this) until i either get married or turn 25 that's one strike against me another strike is I'm a male so I'm not a bad driver on "high risk" just I'll play there games till I get married or turn 25 but the day that happens I'm going to the Acura dealer:P
danny you said about the CR-V motor:the 4 banger your talking bout. I forgot to tell you guys about this . Honda of Japan and Honda of America got into a little fight when they redesigned the CR-V cause Honda of Japan wanted to put a 02 Accord motor in and Honda of America wanted to put a 03 Accord motor in it well Honda of america won the battle . I know your thinking why did they put a 03 Motor in a 02 car. well my sister has a 01 CR-V(which has the civic motor in it) and it has less balls than a fixed cat ). so I hate to say it but the CR-Vs were the test SUVs for this motor. everyone I've talked to said they have enough juice for the SUV so must be a good motor.

gavriil

OK let me tell you what engines Europe will get. The Accrod will be available there in September of this year by the way.

2 liter = 120 HP

2 liter iVtec coming from the Civic Type R (in Europe)= 200HP (this is our RSX's engine basically)

2.4 liter = 160HP (dont know if that is a 4 cylinder or not)

2.4 liter = 250HP for the TYPE R Accord (same engine as above only hot rodded)

So I dont doubt we will see 240 HP here. They have to be able to have an answer for the Altima folks. Plus I am sure the new Taurus will not stay with the current 200HP.

mblock66

the only thing I don't understand is that how could ya say the Cl would be off teh hook with 20 more HP? I agree that 280 or 300 sounds sweet but if you think about it the car still won't be that fast. 20 Crank HP is like a cold air intake and mufflers. That will barely change the speed of the CL. I don't know just my .02

They need to lighten the car and get the power to the ground better instead of upping HP so much. My car has crazy wheelspin as it is.

AcuraguyOH

I'm not really sure about what you guys are saying.. I would say on a reliability scale of 1 to 10, I'm about a 10. The engine is still 3.0L and only has 230hp. The rear is very similar to the pic shown, but not quite so flashy and a hint more rounded at the top. The front is kinda like the front that's drawn, but there are no fog lights for the 4dr. Kinda plain jane if you ask me. Anyway, the interior is BY FAR more upscale than the current Acura models.

Scrib

Eh?????

And you know this because...???

jts1207

i seriously doubt a 240hp accord...............honda has always and will be conservative with the accord...........so until you see toyota dump 240 in a camry.....dont expect it in an accord

Water-S

yeah Dad been there 20 years.Plus he was(still has some friends in) New Model(so when he eats lunch/on break he talks to them about new model.) but now he's basically over a warehouse(that my g/f works at ) but he still works for Honda. He just make sure they send the right parts when they're suppose to send them.

SilverCL225hp

I like the one shown in MotorTrend very much.

Are you sure they will make a Accord Type R? Oh man if so I will not buy Evo VII.

Red Nj-s

Errr thats pushin it, pick a mom's car over an Evo? You should get that checked man. :P The only car i'd take over the Evo would be a 300 hp awd CL-S. That would be fockin sweeeeeeet.

Proteus

I think you're all full of shit. :P

AcuraguyOH

I've driven it

AcuraguyOH

Oh yeah... and as far as Gen 3 goes for CL..... I wouldn't count on that.

JRock

I doubt they would do something like make the Accord stronger than a TL-P/CL-P.

I agree with whomever said:

Accord V6: 240hp (current CL-P/TL-P 3.2 with better intake/exhaust)
TL/CL Premium: 260hp (our TypeS 3.2)
TL/CL TypeS: 3.5L 300hp
RL/MDX: 3.8L V6
NSX: still a V6 but IT SO DESERVES A V8.

jts1207

again like i said..............dont look for honda to increase output by much.........ie.......civic si........didnt want to step on rsxs toes......i still expect something real close to current....like the camry

EZZ

Let the horsepower war begin!!!

AcuraguyOH

Jrock... Where do you get your info? There's no 3.8 or V8.

jts1207

i heard the mdx will get a 3.8......when the honda pilot comes out with a 3.5

JRock

I never said there was. I only said that is what they should do.