New C6 corvette info
08-08-2002, 09:27 AM
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New C6 corvette info
check this link!!!
http://www.gminsidenews.com/C6.htm
some of the highlights on the new vette are as follows:
-HID or Xenon headlights (non-popup headlights like current vettes)
-300-500 lbs LIGHTER than Z06
-Camless motor....electronically triggered valves for infinite timing capabilities and more power
-more than 500 hp in Z06 version
-updated interior with radio and A/C controls on an LCD screen
DAMN this is some niccce information, if Chevy puts all this in the final production model, thats incredible, its gonna be a Viper killer!! hopefully it will look good, thats the key....my next car may be one of these bad boys if Chevy is actually taking this direction!! that cam-less motor should be interesting
http://www.gminsidenews.com/C6.htm
some of the highlights on the new vette are as follows:
-HID or Xenon headlights (non-popup headlights like current vettes)
-300-500 lbs LIGHTER than Z06
-Camless motor....electronically triggered valves for infinite timing capabilities and more power
-more than 500 hp in Z06 version
-updated interior with radio and A/C controls on an LCD screen
DAMN this is some niccce information, if Chevy puts all this in the final production model, thats incredible, its gonna be a Viper killer!! hopefully it will look good, thats the key....my next car may be one of these bad boys if Chevy is actually taking this direction!! that cam-less motor should be interesting
08-08-2002, 09:38 AM
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from what i understand, Chevrolet/GM have not said anything about the details of the C6. it does sound promising but it could be pure speculation.
if it does end up like that tho and the price isnt outragous(sp?) on the Z06 then thats gonna be one helluva car.
if it does end up like that tho and the price isnt outragous(sp?) on the Z06 then thats gonna be one helluva car.
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according to that article, there are already C6 vettes being tested at the GM secret testing grounds....so i think this is probably info that leaked out or something...
08-08-2002, 12:18 PM
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Anybody else here about some new V8 with dual crankshafts? I read about it a while ago and there was some speculation that there were building it for the C6.
I can't wait for this vette to come out.
I can't wait for this vette to come out.
08-08-2002, 12:24 PM
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wow, could it be possible that domestics are actually engineering some technology into the car designs! 
Although I have to take exception with that camless engine for infinite possibilities.......i hope they are refering to an ivtec type technology that will optimize the valve opening per power demand.....the possibilities aren't infinite in reality.........
Although I have to take exception with that camless engine for infinite possibilities.......i hope they are refering to an ivtec type technology that will optimize the valve opening per power demand.....the possibilities aren't infinite in reality.........
08-08-2002, 12:25 PM
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HID headlights on a 2005 model year sports car??? Say it isn't so!!! technology these days - moves so fast!!! hahahaha....... next thing you know, they'll be putting a GPS in it!!!! 
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08-08-2002, 12:28 PM
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Take all that shit with a grain of salt........a 500hp 347cid engine in a production car that has to meet CARB requirements with no gas guzzler tax? I just don't see that happening, would be nice though. One way around it is making the motor a revver, but sacrificing torque at the same time (I don't think to many Vette customers would be happy about that situation).
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08-08-2002, 12:41 PM
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ok this is just getting better and better - they are CHANGING THE CHASSIS LENGTH of the car to accommodate a a new AUTO!??!!?!!?!? That's the craziest thing I've ever heard for a "sports car". Also like the part about the classic "duel" taillights... also - this part was interesting:
Throw off the public??? who wrote this??? wtf is that all about?
I would really like to see what kind of "improvements" they can make in the interior, as there is much to be desired. If they can get rid of the classic GM style font used in the interior and replace it with a more neutral, not as getto looking font, influenced by Audi TT will be fine, then hey to me that will have been a monumental leap in their interior design.
A C6 mule reportedly out lapped a Z06 at a test track by a large margin? Well if that's any indication of what's really going to happen - then I think its safe to say the next generation Z06 is going to be one hell of a muther. Good for GM - it would be interesting to see the Z06 dethrone the Viper....
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GM’s keeping hush-hush about the fact that the XLR’s frame is really aluminum until close to production. This way they can throw off the public about any links to the C6.
I would really like to see what kind of "improvements" they can make in the interior, as there is much to be desired. If they can get rid of the classic GM style font used in the interior and replace it with a more neutral, not as getto looking font, influenced by Audi TT will be fine, then hey to me that will have been a monumental leap in their interior design.
A C6 mule reportedly out lapped a Z06 at a test track by a large margin? Well if that's any indication of what's really going to happen - then I think its safe to say the next generation Z06 is going to be one hell of a muther. Good for GM - it would be interesting to see the Z06 dethrone the Viper....
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08-08-2002, 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by Beltfed
Take all that shit with a grain of salt........a 500hp 347cid engine in a production car that has to meet CARB requirements with no gas guzzler tax? I just don't see that happening, would be nice though. One way around it is making the motor a revver, but sacrificing torque at the same time (I don't think to many Vette customers would be happy about that situation).
Take all that shit with a grain of salt........a 500hp 347cid engine in a production car that has to meet CARB requirements with no gas guzzler tax? I just don't see that happening, would be nice though. One way around it is making the motor a revver, but sacrificing torque at the same time (I don't think to many Vette customers would be happy about that situation).
They can do it - all they have to do is underrate the hp rating by maybe 60-80 hp... they have done it before, hell a lot of cars have underrated HP figures, even Vipers. From all the dyno runs of Vipers I've seen, its pretty clear that they were making more than 450 hp from the factory (I'm talking about 1st gen GTS's)
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08-08-2002, 01:15 PM
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Although I have to take exception with that camless engine for infinite possibilities.......i hope they are refering to an ivtec type technology that will optimize the valve opening per power demand.....
Although I have to take exception with that camless engine for infinite possibilities.......i hope they are refering to an ivtec type technology that will optimize the valve opening per power demand.....
It is basically just a solenoid with the actual valve attached to it. This eliminates the cam, pushrods (where applicable), rocker arms, etc. which significantly decrease the parasitic loads on the engine to move the valve train. It also allows for absolute computer control of the lift, duration and valve timing.
This is well beyond the ivtec or even BMWs valvetronic system. The only true internal mechanical parts would be the pistons, rods and crank, nothing robbing power, just adding. But I doubt this is what they are referring to as it would certainly require a 48VDC electrical system.
Edit: Never mind, I just read the article and it is going to a higher voltage system, 42 VDC. So the valve will most likely be solenoid actuated and controlled by the ECU. So the ECU will control the valve opening just like it does firing the plugs or fuel injectors so valve timing control would be infinite.
This will increase power and efficiency greatly!!!
08-08-2002, 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by scalbert
Actually it could be solenoid operated valves, this has been being worked on for several years now.
Actually it could be solenoid operated valves, this has been being worked on for several years now.
delobbo, all Vipers have a $3k GG tax- Vettes have none. If the Vette is truly to have 500hp it "has" to come with a GG tax, no way around it ( The 03 500hp Viper is going to have a GG tax, but the 04 500hp Vette won't?). Its also fairly clear that GM will not put out a car that requires a GG tax.
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08-08-2002, 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by delobbo
ok this is just getting better and better - they are CHANGING THE CHASSIS LENGTH of the car to accommodate a a new AUTO!??!!?!!?!? That's the craziest thing I've ever heard for a "sports car".
ok this is just getting better and better - they are CHANGING THE CHASSIS LENGTH of the car to accommodate a a new AUTO!??!!?!!?!? That's the craziest thing I've ever heard for a "sports car".
08-08-2002, 01:39 PM
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the corvette autos are damn solid trannies, ive heard that as far as performance, the auto can beat a manual...of course it all depends on the driver, but how many drivers are ACTUALLY THAT good and professional manual drivers?? not many, on a real world basis, the auto will probably win alot of the time
08-08-2002, 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by scalbert
Actually it could be solenoid operated valves, this has been being worked on for several years now.
It is basically just a solenoid with the actual valve attached to it. This eliminates the cam, pushrods (where applicable), rocker arms, etc. which significantly decrease the parasitic loads on the engine to move the valve train. It also allows for absolute computer control of the lift, duration and valve timing.
This is well beyond the ivtec or even BMWs valvetronic system. The only true internal mechanical parts would be the pistons, rods and crank, nothing robbing power, just adding. But I doubt this is what they are referring to as it would certainly require a 48VDC electrical system.
Edit: Never mind, I just read the article and it is going to a higher voltage system, 42 VDC. So the valve will most likely be solenoid actuated and controlled by the ECU. So the ECU will control the valve opening just like it does firing the plugs or fuel injectors so valve timing control would be infinite.
This will increase power and efficiency greatly!!!
Actually it could be solenoid operated valves, this has been being worked on for several years now.
It is basically just a solenoid with the actual valve attached to it. This eliminates the cam, pushrods (where applicable), rocker arms, etc. which significantly decrease the parasitic loads on the engine to move the valve train. It also allows for absolute computer control of the lift, duration and valve timing.
This is well beyond the ivtec or even BMWs valvetronic system. The only true internal mechanical parts would be the pistons, rods and crank, nothing robbing power, just adding. But I doubt this is what they are referring to as it would certainly require a 48VDC electrical system.
Edit: Never mind, I just read the article and it is going to a higher voltage system, 42 VDC. So the valve will most likely be solenoid actuated and controlled by the ECU. So the ECU will control the valve opening just like it does firing the plugs or fuel injectors so valve timing control would be infinite.
This will increase power and efficiency greatly!!!
I'm not debating the validity of the mechanics of such a system, my beef is with the term infinite.....
08-08-2002, 02:37 PM
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They have been, but I don't think an electronic camless valve engine will be ready for action in 2004........but you never know.
delobbo, all Vipers have a $3k GG tax- Vettes have none. If the Vette is truly to have 500hp it "has" to come with a GG tax, no way around it ( The 03 500hp Viper is going to have a GG tax, but the 04 500hp Vette won't?). Its also fairly clear that GM will not put out a car that requires a GG tax.
They have been, but I don't think an electronic camless valve engine will be ready for action in 2004........but you never know.
delobbo, all Vipers have a $3k GG tax- Vettes have none. If the Vette is truly to have 500hp it "has" to come with a GG tax, no way around it ( The 03 500hp Viper is going to have a GG tax, but the 04 500hp Vette won't?). Its also fairly clear that GM will not put out a car that requires a GG tax.
As for GG tax, supposedly the upcoming Pontiac Monaro..er..GTO will be the first GM vehicle since the Caddy Allante to be slapped with the tax.
08-08-2002, 02:42 PM
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This thing is gonna be BAD ASS!!!
Check out the pic below!!
http://www.corvetteconti.com/Catalog...asp?ProdID=659
Check out the pic below!!
http://www.corvetteconti.com/Catalog...asp?ProdID=659
08-08-2002, 03:00 PM
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Originally posted by Beltfed
They have been, but I don't think an electronic camless valve engine will be ready for action in 2004........but you never know.
delobbo, all Vipers have a $3k GG tax- Vettes have none. If the Vette is truly to have 500hp it "has" to come with a GG tax, no way around it ( The 03 500hp Viper is going to have a GG tax, but the 04 500hp Vette won't?). Its also fairly clear that GM will not put out a car that requires a GG tax.
I can't take you seriously because you listen to Erasure
They have been, but I don't think an electronic camless valve engine will be ready for action in 2004........but you never know.
delobbo, all Vipers have a $3k GG tax- Vettes have none. If the Vette is truly to have 500hp it "has" to come with a GG tax, no way around it ( The 03 500hp Viper is going to have a GG tax, but the 04 500hp Vette won't?). Its also fairly clear that GM will not put out a car that requires a GG tax.
I can't take you seriously because you listen to Erasure
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08-08-2002, 03:02 PM
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Originally posted by IntegraVT
I also doubt it'll be set for 2004. It's a VERY ambitious target considering the engineering involved.
As for GG tax, supposedly the upcoming Pontiac Monaro..er..GTO will be the first GM vehicle since the Caddy Allante to be slapped with the tax.
I also doubt it'll be set for 2004. It's a VERY ambitious target considering the engineering involved.
As for GG tax, supposedly the upcoming Pontiac Monaro..er..GTO will be the first GM vehicle since the Caddy Allante to be slapped with the tax.
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08-08-2002, 03:23 PM
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Actually it could be solenoid operated valves, this has been being worked on for several years now.
It is basically just a solenoid with the actual valve attached to it. This eliminates the cam, pushrods (where applicable), rocker arms, etc. which significantly decrease the parasitic loads on the engine to move the valve train. It also allows for absolute computer control of the lift, duration and valve timing.
This is well beyond the ivtec or even BMWs valvetronic system. The only true internal mechanical parts would be the pistons, rods and crank, nothing robbing power, just adding. But I doubt this is what they are referring to as it would certainly require a 48VDC electrical system.
Edit: Never mind, I just read the article and it is going to a higher voltage system, 42 VDC. So the valve will most likely be solenoid actuated and controlled by the ECU. So the ECU will control the valve opening just like it does firing the plugs or fuel injectors so valve timing control would be infinite.
This will increase power and efficiency greatly!!!
Actually it could be solenoid operated valves, this has been being worked on for several years now.
It is basically just a solenoid with the actual valve attached to it. This eliminates the cam, pushrods (where applicable), rocker arms, etc. which significantly decrease the parasitic loads on the engine to move the valve train. It also allows for absolute computer control of the lift, duration and valve timing.
This is well beyond the ivtec or even BMWs valvetronic system. The only true internal mechanical parts would be the pistons, rods and crank, nothing robbing power, just adding. But I doubt this is what they are referring to as it would certainly require a 48VDC electrical system.
Edit: Never mind, I just read the article and it is going to a higher voltage system, 42 VDC. So the valve will most likely be solenoid actuated and controlled by the ECU. So the ECU will control the valve opening just like it does firing the plugs or fuel injectors so valve timing control would be infinite.
This will increase power and efficiency greatly!!!
Haven't F1 cars been using those for years ???
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Originally posted by delobbo
Wait - the Allante had a GG tax? That's impossible, you see, because Beltfed said that no GM car has ever been produced that has required the GG tax.
Wait - the Allante had a GG tax? That's impossible, you see, because Beltfed said that no GM car has ever been produced that has required the GG tax.
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Originally posted by jimcol711
the corvette autos are damn solid trannies, ive heard that as far as performance, the auto can beat a manual...of course it all depends on the driver, but how many drivers are ACTUALLY THAT good and professional manual drivers?? not many, on a real world basis, the auto will probably win alot of the time
the corvette autos are damn solid trannies, ive heard that as far as performance, the auto can beat a manual...of course it all depends on the driver, but how many drivers are ACTUALLY THAT good and professional manual drivers?? not many, on a real world basis, the auto will probably win alot of the time
08-08-2002, 04:15 PM
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auto can be quicker than manual if you aren't shifting the manual like you stole it... the fact is, you don't have to shift an auto - it does it automatically !!!!! Imagine that. But I would never get auto on a real sports car - it just defies logic.
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In my experience, Rod is pretty much correct about the auto trans vs. manual in the Vette...
The auto vs. manual question in a real sports car is an interesting one. Our Vette is a daily driver and that has a big impact in the decision to go auto.
I hope the picture really is the C6 - it looks cool and it looks outrageous like a Corvette should.
The auto vs. manual question in a real sports car is an interesting one. Our Vette is a daily driver and that has a big impact in the decision to go auto.
I hope the picture really is the C6 - it looks cool and it looks outrageous like a Corvette should.
08-08-2002, 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by dallas cls girl
In my experience, Rod is pretty much correct about the auto trans vs. manual in the Vette...
The auto vs. manual question in a real sports car is an interesting one. Our Vette is a daily driver and that has a big impact in the decision to go auto.
I hope the picture really is the C6 - it looks cool and it looks outrageous like a Corvette should.
In my experience, Rod is pretty much correct about the auto trans vs. manual in the Vette...
The auto vs. manual question in a real sports car is an interesting one. Our Vette is a daily driver and that has a big impact in the decision to go auto.
I hope the picture really is the C6 - it looks cool and it looks outrageous like a Corvette should.
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08-08-2002, 05:28 PM
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I agree with your comments about the "luxury" aspect and why auto is offered with many sports cars. Sometimes I wish we had a manual tranny but the driving the Vette always feels like driving a real sports car, even with auto. It's really different from our CL's.
I wish I had learned to drive using a manual transmission. I can drive a stick but not to where I am comfortable with it. Believe it or not, I literally have dreams in which I practice driving a stick, usually in my previous car!! Of course, I'm good at it then!
I wish I had learned to drive using a manual transmission. I can drive a stick but not to where I am comfortable with it. Believe it or not, I literally have dreams in which I practice driving a stick, usually in my previous car!! Of course, I'm good at it then!
08-08-2002, 05:57 PM
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I'm with you Dallas.
I can't drive a stick very well but only because I have never had the practice. My last car was a 99 Camaro SS with auto. That thing was fast as hell and it was my daily driver. Once in the while, i would get that urge to shift gears and I told myself if I ever buy a true sportscar, I will get a manual. I have been thinking about getting an 02' Vette for a while... how do you like yours?
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I can't drive a stick very well but only because I have never had the practice. My last car was a 99 Camaro SS with auto. That thing was fast as hell and it was my daily driver. Once in the while, i would get that urge to shift gears and I told myself if I ever buy a true sportscar, I will get a manual. I have been thinking about getting an 02' Vette for a while... how do you like yours?
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08-08-2002, 08:57 PM
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Originally posted by dallas cls girl
I agree with your comments about the "luxury" aspect and why auto is offered with many sports cars. Sometimes I wish we had a manual tranny but the driving the Vette always feels like driving a real sports car, even with auto. It's really different from our CL's.
I wish I had learned to drive using a manual transmission. I can drive a stick but not to where I am comfortable with it. Believe it or not, I literally have dreams in which I practice driving a stick, usually in my previous car!! Of course, I'm good at it then!
I agree with your comments about the "luxury" aspect and why auto is offered with many sports cars. Sometimes I wish we had a manual tranny but the driving the Vette always feels like driving a real sports car, even with auto. It's really different from our CL's.
I wish I had learned to drive using a manual transmission. I can drive a stick but not to where I am comfortable with it. Believe it or not, I literally have dreams in which I practice driving a stick, usually in my previous car!! Of course, I'm good at it then!
actually my current car was my first manual-tranny car, but I did know how to drive stick, kind of..... it took me about maybe 3 weeks to get really used to it - probably about 2 months before I was totally comfortable with it. I didn't learn how to "heel-and-toe" until probably over a year of ownership...rasidel aka delobbo
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I love the Vette - actually it is my husband's. This is his 4th - he has had '84, '88, '96, and now the 2002. The C5 has a lot of differences from the C4's we had. Just about everything is improved in the 2002 model. More room, more comfort, faster, cool heads up display, great wheels, big tires. Chevy did a lot of work to the frame and structure to firm it up and get rid of much of the rattles and jarring ride we were used to.
Unlike Motor Trend, we like the interior, although I think the CLS interior looks classier.
I don't get to drive it as much as I used to. We used to work near each other and carpool most of the time. Since I got a new job, we don't carpool but I can get him to trade sometimes!!
Unlike Motor Trend, we like the interior, although I think the CLS interior looks classier.
I don't get to drive it as much as I used to. We used to work near each other and carpool most of the time. Since I got a new job, we don't carpool but I can get him to trade sometimes!!
08-08-2002, 11:44 PM
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Originally posted by dallas cls girl
d - That's a beautiful Supra. My previous car was an '87 Turbo Supra. I always wanted the newer model...hopefully Toyota does bring it back????
d - That's a beautiful Supra. My previous car was an '87 Turbo Supra. I always wanted the newer model...hopefully Toyota does bring it back????
- my dream car in the 80's was a Supra of course. When the Turbo came out in '87, I just about flipped out.. wanted one sooooo bad.Well - it looks like Toyota is going to bring it back..... but it seems like it might be more in the same class as the Nissan 350Z and Mazda RX8..... I kinda hoped they would have kept it in the same league as C5's and the like..... oh well this is still speculation, we shall have to see.....
You got any pics of your Vette? Send em over!
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08-08-2002, 11:57 PM
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oh yeah - got any pics of your Supra too!!!!!! Send em over..
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Originally posted by Beltfed
They have been, but I don't think an electronic camless valve engine will be ready for action in 2004........but you never know.
They have been, but I don't think an electronic camless valve engine will be ready for action in 2004........but you never know.
By stepping up the voltage this current draw is reduced and allows for quicker reaction. They can certainly control it electronically but will it last mechanically?? The solenoids in the fuel injectors certainly last, but the ones to control the valves would be a bit bigger...
But it would certainly be cool if this were implemented.
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