Hey guys, help me with this will ya!! Ok which tire would you get:

235/45/WR 17...Yokohama AVS ES 100
235/45/ZR 17...Toy Proxes T1-S

Do you think I'll get any rubbing with this size? Thanks much for your help. Revolutions are both 818, which is closest to the standard tire at 819. But of course tire is much wider. Not sure on weight of tires.

 

Go with either... I will be buying the ES100 next spring... much cheaper than Toyo...

 

BTW, get the Es100 you have 30 days... if you do not like them you get back your money.

 

what do you guys think of 225/45-18 pirellie pzero rosso assimetrico's ? how do you think they'll look with the comptech drop and ssr gt3's

 

What do you think of the Michelin Pilot?

 

I have the p-zeros in 225/40/18...i have no complaints about them

 

S03's 235/45/17

I love em

 

Depends on how much money you wat to spend. I just put the ES100's on my car. They have less road noise than stocks. The performance difference is night and day.
I read the ES100's are lighter than TS-1. 1.7lbs if I remember correctly. I had a post up last week about the same two tires.

 

 

I had the 235-45/17 Toyo Proxes T1-S on 17x8" SSR Competitions and had very minor rubbing on both front wheels. I replaced them with 225-45/17 Toyos and have had no rubbing whatsoever. My car is lowered with Comptech springs 1 1/2" in front and 1" in back.

I sold my 235-45/17 Toyos to a friend who mounted them on his stock 17" rims. He is also lowered but with Neuspeed springs, I believe 1.5" all around. He has not had any rubbing, however.

So be careful with the 235 size Toyos if you plan on getting new rims. If so, I would advise against an 8" width rim...I think 18x7" is the best overall size.

Good luck.

 

Ok, here it is. To avoid all the bullshit standard rim problems including the possible rubbing, I bought the Yokohama AVS ES 100 tires. The size I chose was 215/50WR-17's. This size, in all ways is closed to the OEM size. Minor difference in revs and a little wider than the standards. The 235/45's would only fit a rim that's was 8+inches. Thanks for your help.

 

I have the Toyo's. No problems. If you want to take a trip into Boca one day this week, I can show you them on my lunch.

 

Thanks, but I already bought the Yokes.

 

Did you mean that you chose 215/50/ZR17's? The Yokohama website doesn't show these in a W speed rating. Also, I assume that the collected opinions are that these being 91's vice our stock 93's and that the load range is 1356 vice our stock 1433 is not an issue? I have been following this subject for some time as I also want to shed the factory Michelins, but minimum recommendation from all manufacturers for the 235/45/17 is for a 7.5" rim, yet many claim to mount this size on the stock 7 JJ.

 

You forgot to mention that the problem only happened with the Konis added to your combination of the 235/45-17s, 17x8 SSRs, and Comtechs...

 

No, the Toyo 235/45-17 want a minimum of a 7.5" rim width. They work on 7" wide stock CLS rims (if you don't mind the alignment “hassles”)….

The 8" is the "measuring rim" size...

The new ones should be a large improvement over the stock squealers...

 

Isn't the stock tire size a 215/50/17?

 

Yes, why wouldn't they be...

 

And those "hassles" are? I've reviewed a lot of threads and haven't found that the 235/45/17's have a problem with alignment on the stock rims. It seems quite a few have put them on the stock rims with no problems... YEs? No?

 

Aztecrol bought my 235-45/17 Toyos for his stock rims and had uneven wear problems on his passenger rear tire due to poor alignment. He ended up having to get a camber kit.

Of course, he is lowered with Neuspeed springs at least 1.5" all around.

YMMV.

 

i just picked up a set of 225/40/18 Yokohama ES100's. they so far seem to be pretty good(only had for about 5 days). They actually seem to be a little louder than my old Kumhos. As for performance, i cant really say since i havent really pushed them to their limits yet(still breaking them in).

Im thinking of going with the SO3's next.

 

1. Going beyond spec on the width of a tire shouldn't be a problem but you don't gain much other than cosmetics. Because the flex of the sidewall moves closer to the shoulder they will feel a bit more squishy under hard cornering. I had 245/45/17 on 6.5 inch TLS rims and I found that while there was more stability under light and medium cornering, that hard cornering was sub-optimal. At a minimum I wouldn't go out of spec unless it was a Z rated tire (ie. stiff sidewall that can dissipate heat)

2. If you have a camber problem to begin with then a wider tire will exaggerate the problem. If your camber is fine to begin with then a wider tire will NOT have alignment or wear problems.

 

I asked George at Tirerack about the same question regarding the 235/45/17 because the rev's were at 818. He claims they wouldn't fit properly.

 

I have 235/45/17 on a stock rim with the CT springs and I have no rubbing (even with 6 peeps in my car) and the wear is even. Just my .02

 

The Yokohama's rule !! They ride not only like Glue, but look great too! I have had for bout' a month, and they kick butt, in the Htown monsoons ! >;]

 

Get the Toyos....best in the rain....

 

The Yokos performance in the rain is excellent!

 

Some specifics:

The actual setup -- day-to-day driving and handling with the Toyo 235/45-17 on 17x7" 2001-2002 OEM rims – “seemed” just as good as they are on my 17x8” SSRs (the SSRs are lighter and make the car feel faster and the turn-in might be quicker, but, I could not perceive any major difference in steady state grip). If there is a difference, I can't tell from a maximum grip perspective. I gave the tires a rather nasty workout and they had ZERO problems. I did hard left and right turns and a 200-mile mountain trip and they worked flawlessly.


The TOYO T1S in a 235/45-17 on the STOCK 2001-2002 wheel makes for a difficult alignment (I don’t know about the 2003 wheel). The sidewall on the 235/45-17 Toyo is rather thick. The lip of the stock/OEM wheel makes it nearly impossible to get a laser calipers (and other calipers) into the "gap" between the tire and the rim's flange. The design of the stock flange doesn't help either (it would help to draw it vs. my SSRs or other rims). An alignment can be done, but you need someone to "rig" it up, and it is a pain in the rear (I'm relying on info that one of the better alignment shops told me).

To be clear: You can put OTHER 235/45-17 rubber on the stock rims and not have an alignment problem. There is also the issue of the flange on the OEM wheel. It is possible that another make or model 17x7" wheel + Toyo 235/45-17 will have no problems. Other tire makes and models have different types of rim protectors. For example, the RE-730 has a "bead"/steel ring up the sidewall that is allows for protection, but also allows the sidewall to be thinner where the tire’s sidewall meets the wheel's flange.

Finally, not everyone is going to be aware of a problem (if there is one) with an alignment issue UNTIL they need to get it done. And, you will also find that some people are not going to reveal information about something that didn't work perfectly...

 

i had the same setup too, no problems either..get the toyos

 

I am looking at the Yokohama AVS ES100. I was wonder why are they $108 (at Tirerack.com) and the stock Michelins are $178?

I don't like the way the Michelins ride and they are too noisy (although I don't know about the Yokahamas). Anybody know why there is a $70 difference per tire?

 

You are using an extreme example. A 245/45-17 generally needs a 7.5" wide rim to work properly. It is sitting on a 6.5" wide rim and that's a full inch shy of the recommended minimum rim width. There are certain combinations of tires -- as used by numerous auto manufacturers -- that will use a rim size that is 1/2" too wide or 1/2" too narrow. So, I'm sure what your reporting is true in regards to your setup. However, there are differences in 235/45-17 tires and the section width, tread width, and optimal wheel width are not one and the same with the "measuring rim width". At what point does someone finally say, 'my god, you're using a 255/40-17 on a 6.5" rim -- what did you expect? Of course it can come off the rim and not handle well under side loading!'

The "Z" rating == stiff sidewall is a misconception that I keep hearing. It is true that the Z rating -- and in conjunction with a V or W -- specifies a high tire speed rating. However, some manufacturers will change the sidewall and construction with a given series with different ratings (H, V, and Z); however, this is not always true. For example, the Toyo T1S in a 215/50-17 is Y-speed rated (186 MPH) and the 235/45-17 is only W-speed rated (168 MPH). The 215/50 would seem to be the better tire for high-speed operation. The answer would be: WRONG! The 215/50 has a lower load rating relative to the 235/45 and does NOT have reinforced construction of the 235/45-17. The 235/45-17 has a reinforced casing. At speeds up to 168 MPH, the 235/45 will take far more abuse that the 215/50 will!

 

IMO, the stock Michelins are overpriced. Look at the tire tables and check the pricing out -- they are overpriced for what they do. Michelin spends a lot of money on commercials (marketing). The price of the MXM4 is not justified by its ratings, performance, and weaknesses. Check out the buyers’ ratings and see how the MXM4 is rated:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/gtas.jsp

(You will find the MXM4 at the very bottom – at least that is where it’s sitting today.)

If you must get some 3-season tires, just get some max-performance or ultra-high performance tires.. The stock tires get good gas mileage and are "average" at everything (well, I think they are way to noisy [squealing] and dangerous on the freeway).

If you need all-season, get the Pilot A/S, Yoko AVS-DB, Sumitomos, Falkens, whatever – don’t waste your money on the MXM4s.

I believe there is some truth in, "you get what you pay for." That expression comes with a caveat: it depends on good research and “smart shopping.” Members seem to like the new Yokos and I haven't seen any cases of buyer's remorse or recanting.

 

My Yokos should be in on Friday. I'll let you know how I like them.

 

Can't wait to hear Pappy. I'll be purchasing new tires after the first of the year. Can't find those Yokos at Discount Tires. Where would you get them mounted and balanced?

 

How many miles you got on em?

 

I got a cheap price from Tirerack. $ 108. each. Give them your zip code and they'll recommend someone in your area on their list who can do the install.

 

Love those sumitomo+. 360 treadwear; Z rated--smooth, quiet and grips like hell. They are better than stocks in all areas and only $89 at tirerack. They are so cheap it makes one wonder but I've had them for 2 month and am totally satisfied. Makes CL ride like a different car.

 

check my sig, I LOVE my Kumhos.

 

whooops!

 

That "friend" has a 2" drop all the way around!!!! No rubbing and I will have a hard time ever buying any other kind of tire!!!

TOYOS RULE!!!!!!!