BigLizard

Sick! I can't wait to see the final dyno numbers. Nice how it looks like the old MP62 charger.

jproy

This is a video of me on the dyno with the MP62, stock pulley, no engine management, and running rich in a 120 degree dyno booth in June last year with 24% humidity. We put down 289whp here. Probably should have been about 300whp in 75degree dry air.

http://img532.imageshack.us/my.php?i...ov03461sv2.flv

jproy

Its funny how much it does. When I go through the pics I have to really look to make sure I am not about to post something from the old blower pics. Anyone need an MP62?

nf3d0149ab

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I'm having some issues with the video and the other pic...

Accord_V6_400m

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Depends on whether or not your giving it away

p.diddy

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damn i cant wait to install mine. jproy how much whp can i expect with hbp and tune?

jproy

The numbers I have seen here are 305 330 whp for the 6mt cars with the HBP. I dont know exactly how much power you will see but it should be around 280-300whp since you are an auto.

Were you able to see the two videos linked above?

p.diddy

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yea i can see them. i thought the auto put out moe thaan that with hbp.

nf3d0149ab

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I still can't see them...I even tried on another browser...

brianlin87

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is there any reason an MP90 was utilized instead of an MP112? Is the 112 way too big?

jproy

The J32A2 pushes the MP62 outside of its RPM range when running more than 6psi of boost, even there it is at the limit. The MP90 is perfect for the J32A2 spinning at the low side of the ideal efficiency range of the MP90. The MP90 is also the same length as the MP90, the MP112 is not. The MP112 is too long thick and tall and it would be spinning pretty slow. The MP112 is not necessary in any way for this motor unless you wanted to run 20psi and it would be harder to package. The hood barely clears as is with the MP90.

Bottom line, the MP112 is too big and unnecessary.

civicdrivr

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I cant wait to see dynos of this.

SleekAV6

This is insane! Great work jproy!

But to recap, the mods you made were adapter plates for both the inlet and outlet elbows correct? And since the 04+ TL SC kits use MP62s aswell, your adapter plates should work for those kits correct?

scalbert

Wish I were going to be closer. I'll be in Kentwood, LA this week and would have loved to have seen the build in person.

CL FWD SPEED

Looks good jproy

slowaccord

this is insane. i wish i had the money to do this

mrsteve

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I can't tell you how many times I used to look at Eaton's website and the dimension differences between the 62 and the 90. Glad to see someone follow through with this.

Now I wonder if the 90 will fit on the S2000 MP62 kit...

Allout

I thought the S2000 used a Paxton Centrifugal supercharger?

Notoriusklg

Thats a beutiful thig right there

jproy

I’m actually in Baton Rouge not to far from Kentwood and should be back by Thursday. I would love for you to take a look at it.


I spent the entire day at the tuning shop in Dallas, TX.
Things didn’t go so well. I am very frustrated and pissed.

First we ran a base line run and put down between 239whp and 248whp over a few heat soaked pulls with the stock injectors and the stock ECU. We then installed the AEM FIC-6 and the harness for it. Started it up and had no problems. We were able to pull timing(verified with timing light), add fuel, and alter the injector duration. We made a pull with the FIC and put down identical numbers to stock. Then I installed the RC440 injectors. We changed the settings in the FIC for the larger injectors and then made a few pulls again giving identical numbers to the original baseline pulls. Next I installed the supercharger and we everything is bust!

We have tested all kinds of things. The problem is that the car won’t make more than the baseline HP. Once we were able to make 265whp. The car is making 7psi of boost. There are no leaks period. We put a pressure check coupling on the intake side of the throttle body and with the butterfly open the entire intake side of the motor will hold a steady 65+psi, so there isn’t even the slightest of leaks anywhere, NOTHING. We clamped the voltage in the FIC at 2.93V and the run after that yielded the 265whp. We had forgotten to clamp it on the first few runs. The bypass is correctly installed and functioning perfectly the injectors are all perfect, new, and matched for flow. The car idles perfectly. We have no CEL's. All of our instrumentation, Motec A/f, Autometer wideband, diagnostic scan tool, say we are getting a solid, smooth 7psi of boost with good A/F but still no more power. We can hear the scream of the MP90 working its ass off but still no power. The boost is verified by several instruments and my boost gauge. I do not have the ESM from Comptech installed, took it out long ago. We know the engine is in very good working order. We pulled the blower off and sure enough put down the same WHP naturally aspirated.

The car is making more power below 4.5-5K RPM. The 240WHP actually comes on at about 4.5K RPM but after 4.5K RPM (with the Blower) the power just takes a dump and falls flat. Normally aspirated the 240whp comes at about 6.5K RPM. NO misfires anywhere. Once, we pulled fuel at the top end and the car ran more rich on the next pull. We have run the A/F between 10-13:1 and get the same results WHP wise.

It makes no sense. We are all puzzled! We know the boost is there with no leaks, period. We know the injectors are perfect and working just fine. Without the blower all is well. Its like the ECM and the AEM FIC are at war with each other in some epic battle. I just don’t get it...Why if I have 7psi going into the combustion chambers and a good A/F, while pulling no timing am I falling flat after 4.5K RPM? Fuel pressures are solid and steady. All sensors are functioning perfectly.

I am pretty pissed and could really use some brainstorming. I am debating on cutting up my harness and installing an E-manage Blue since all the old timers who made serious power did it with the EMBlue. My MP90 build is rock solid but we have something very strange going on with the engine management. The ECU fuel trims are starting to get out of whack also. I dont understand why the ECM could start overwriting or altering changes to the AEM FIC-6 but not the EM Blue.

Let me know what you think soon as you can....Scalbert, MrSteve, Jeff, anyone... I don’t know what we are doing wrong. I should be making at least 330whp on a bad day. I made 290whp with the Comptech setup and the standard boost pulley last year. I head back to the shop tomorrow morning to get back on it. I’m worn out and need to hit the hay.

davepaul033

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You don't think the FIC-8, might do the trick?

Rajca

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fic-8 is for 8cyl, i believe.

is the imrc opening?

Accord_V6_400m

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I kind of want to say your VTEC isn't kicking in, seems like its falling flat on its face right when its activating around 4800rpm. Any boost stacking, exhaust restrictions? Doubt it but maybe a dynamic compression check vs a static one, just tossing it out there even though you mentioned the motor i fine.

post up the dynos so we can check it out. I also think your running out of fuel even with those steady AFR's, can't imagine the stock injectors working that hard.

There you fo, some more ideas to consider.

Rajca

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^werd. Is vtec kicking in?

Rajca

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^werd. Is vtec kicking in?

davepaul033

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Also jim I know you have your own problems, but I am running really lean with my set up. Can I turn up the FRP to get more fuel into the engine? What is the max psi on the fpr I can turn it up to, before maxing out the stock injectors? I know I need to get new R/C injectors and a new piggy back, but I want to drive it to the dyno some what safely.

mrsteve

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New kit was released a few months ago. It's not a Comptech kit.








Sorry for the hijack!

1hotcls6

this is not the time for hijacking

civicdrivr

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Id definately look at the FIC. I dont think its playing nice with the ECU. I got rid of my eManage blue about a month ago, otherwise Id let you borrow it to see if that is the issue.

mrsteve

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I really don't know what your problem is. You need to get over yourself. Someone asked a question so it was answered.

mrsteve

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Are you still using the Comptech FPR?

jproy

The injectors are 440rc not stock. No restrictions and motor is fine for sure.

jproy

No, its a 1:1 aeromotive

1hotcls6

I don't have any problems

mrsteve

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The only thing I can think of is the E-Manage Ultimate and the ECU aren't a happy couple. Try the Blue as you suggested.

civicdrivr

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Hes running an AEM FIC.

mrsteve

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I knew that. It sounds like he has a E-Blue sitting around though. Might be an option to explore.

Is anyone running the FIC with boost successfully?

scalbert

What is the A/F under boost? Have you verified at the ECU what MAP voltage the FIC is putting out? Can you look at the overall ignition advance with an OBDII tool?

jproy

The A/F is holding around 11.8 at WOT. I don’t think anything over 12 is safe. We have verified the voltage output on the FIC. We had all kinds of problems today at the shop. We know we are getting 6-7psi of boost, we know we have the A/F at the correct 11.8:1, but we checked the timing with a timing light and we cannot stop the ECM from pulling massive amounts of timing. Today we were able to make 302WHP but that was still with the ECM pulling about 12-17 degrees on its own. Stock the car runs about 28degrees of timing advance. At WOT we are seeing timing all over the place between 12-19 degrees. We cannot add any timing. The long term fuel trims are going up to 2-10% and the short term fuel trims are 0 at some times and +/- 1-8% at times.

The problem is clearly in the ignition timing. The A/F is correct, the boost is on, the power comes up every time we are able to stop the ECU from pulling some timing but we have reached the limit on what my tuner can do with the AEM FIC. We even went to the FIC 8 from the 6 and we are not having much more luck. The IAT have not exceeded 200 degrees.

I have a CEL now and don’t know why yet. It came on when I drove the car home tonight driving very slow on city streets from the shop. NO CEL's on the dyno.

Were those of you who used the Emanage Blue able to keep timing at the stock levels. The problem is clearly that the ECU is seeing something it doesn’t like and pulling timing over the adjustments to the AEM FIC.

The car is running very rough and the power is not very linear on the dyno plot. If I stab the throttle there is a delay for a second and then power. The WOT acceleration is not smooth and very jerky.

I have a Map for an EMBlue a for a members car that we know runs very well with the HBP and has been for 2-3 years. I don’t understand why the guys who ran the EMB were able to make so much power and the ECM did not pull any timing. I have a guy bringing in an EMBlue tomorrow and I will hack up my harness and see what happens with the timing. I can’t post a dyno plot because the logging feature is not working at the moment and I did not bring my Dig Camera today. The motor is not falling flat on its face anymore at the top end like it was yesterday but it is still pulling about 10-15 degrees more timing than it should be and there is nothing we can do to stop it. We talked with AEM for a while and we are still not getting anywhere.

If you have ever run an EM Blue and used larger injectors or any other setup for that matter using an EMBlue please let me know how it came out. I know several of you have run as much as 370WHP with the MP62 and I would really like to get a hold of your map and talk with you about what your ignition timing looked like and what you did to control it. I know 301Whp is not a bad number but I know from other cars that I should be at 330Whp minimum at 6-7psi. How did you guys do it with the EMBlue? I don’t know what to do anymore and neither does my tuner. I am at my whit’s end. Jim.

jproy

Yes, we are also watching the ignition advance with an OBDII tool. We are verifying that data with a timing light and they are identical.