Mods? Are they worth it??
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Mods? Are they worth it??
I recently picked up my CL-Type S and was wondering if it is even worth modding this car. I just gave up a 1997 30th anniversary Camaro Z28 that ran mid 4's to 60MPH. So I suspect it isn't worth getting a CAI and Exhaust for my CL. But I am now thinking suspension??? Are the sway bars fom either eibach or comptech good? Are they worth $300. Thanks
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Originally posted by mblock66:
<STRONG>I recently picked up my CL-Type S and was wondering if it is even worth modding this car. I just gave up a 1997 30th anniversary Camaro Z28 that ran mid 4's to 60MPH. So I suspect it isn't worth getting a CAI and Exhaust for my CL. But I am now thinking suspension??? Are the sway bars fom either eibach or comptech good? Are they worth $300. Thanks</STRONG>
<STRONG>I recently picked up my CL-Type S and was wondering if it is even worth modding this car. I just gave up a 1997 30th anniversary Camaro Z28 that ran mid 4's to 60MPH. So I suspect it isn't worth getting a CAI and Exhaust for my CL. But I am now thinking suspension??? Are the sway bars fom either eibach or comptech good? Are they worth $300. Thanks</STRONG>
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I got sway bars just recently (Comptech) and I think they make the world of difference on the CL-S.
Read the FAQ in my sig and you will find all the info you need about anything and everything.
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and enjoy your CL-S 
Read the FAQ in my sig and you will find all the info you need about anything and everything.
Welcome to the board
and enjoy your CL-S
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Silver Surfer CLS
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Someone just informed me that it isn't even worth putting on a CAI on this car rather save time and money and just throw on the Comptech replacement filter. SAme HP gain less fuss. Is this true?null
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Nope...a replacement filter will allow a little more air...a CAI will draw A LOT more air and from a colder area...not to mention the 3" pipe is smoother than the stock convoluted piping.
Originally posted by mblock66:
<STRONG>Someone just informed me that it isn't even worth putting on a CAI on this car rather save time and money and just throw on the Comptech replacement filter. SAme HP gain less fuss. Is this true?null</STRONG>
<STRONG>Someone just informed me that it isn't even worth putting on a CAI on this car rather save time and money and just throw on the Comptech replacement filter. SAme HP gain less fuss. Is this true?null</STRONG>
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Silver Surfer CLS
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so you are suggesting the one piece AEM CAI with the rain cutoff piece? That is what I would get but is it even worth all the trouble for 1 HP. Am I going to feel anything? Or should I just go for handling. I can get 2 sway bars for like $300 and I might really feel them
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It's not 1 hp...it's more like 6~8@ the wheel...and a slight torque gain due to the longer piping..You gotta remember...this isn't a Civic with a 100hp motor....it's a 3.2L V6...with a 68mm?66mm? throttle body
Originally posted by mblock66:
<STRONG>so you are suggesting the one piece AEM CAI with the rain cutoff piece? That is what I would get but is it even worth all the trouble for 1 HP. Am I going to feel anything? Or should I just go for handling. I can get 2 sway bars for like $300 and I might really feel them</STRONG>
<STRONG>so you are suggesting the one piece AEM CAI with the rain cutoff piece? That is what I would get but is it even worth all the trouble for 1 HP. Am I going to feel anything? Or should I just go for handling. I can get 2 sway bars for like $300 and I might really feel them</STRONG>
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Originally posted by mblock66:
<STRONG>I recently picked up my CL-Type S and was wondering if it is even worth modding this car. So I suspect it isn't worth getting a CAI and Exhaust for my CL. But I am now thinking suspension??? Are the sway bars fom either eibach or comptech good? Are they worth $300. Thanks</STRONG>
<STRONG>I recently picked up my CL-Type S and was wondering if it is even worth modding this car. So I suspect it isn't worth getting a CAI and Exhaust for my CL. But I am now thinking suspension??? Are the sway bars fom either eibach or comptech good? Are they worth $300. Thanks</STRONG>
IMHO if you feel the car is rocking more than you like, either during your turns or during braking etc, then it is worth it.
I really don't drive all that aggressively/fast in the turns, so it isn't worth it to me.
The intake doesn't give you a whole lot of horsepower, but it sure sounds like it does!!!
Best bang/buck as far as mods goes are headers, but you're talking a signifigant $$ ($1100) for a noticable HP gain (30 HP).
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I did springs and sways at the same time so I can only comment on that setup. They ROCK! They are soooo worth the money and completely transform the handling of the car. It's even noticeable in every day driving. The sways do a good job of getting rid of the body roll. Every car I drive now that's stock feels like a boat (ok, well, not the Miata)!!
I personally don't think the headers are worth $1100. Yes, you do get a little out of them, but its all top end and barely noticeable at that. I'd say the headers are worth about $750. But no way in hell are they worth $1100.
The intake also isn't going to give you much but a great sound. But then, it's only a couple hundred bucks, so who cares, right?
The exhaust is even more worthless than the CAI for power gains. It's all in the sound.
I personally don't think the headers are worth $1100. Yes, you do get a little out of them, but its all top end and barely noticeable at that. I'd say the headers are worth about $750. But no way in hell are they worth $1100.
The intake also isn't going to give you much but a great sound. But then, it's only a couple hundred bucks, so who cares, right?
The exhaust is even more worthless than the CAI for power gains. It's all in the sound.
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Originally posted by GoldTypeS:
<STRONG>I did springs and sways at the same time so I can only comment on that setup. They ROCK! They are soooo worth the money and completely transform the handling of the car. It's even noticeable in every day driving. The sways do a good job of getting rid of the body roll. Every car I drive now that's stock feels like a boat (ok, well, not the Miata)!!
I personally don't think the headers are worth $1100. Yes, you do get a little out of them, but its all top end and barely noticeable at that. I'd say the headers are worth about $750. But no way in hell are they worth $1100.
The intake also isn't going to give you much but a great sound. But then, it's only a couple hundred bucks, so who cares, right?
The exhaust is even more worthless than the CAI for power gains. It's all in the sound.</STRONG>
<STRONG>I did springs and sways at the same time so I can only comment on that setup. They ROCK! They are soooo worth the money and completely transform the handling of the car. It's even noticeable in every day driving. The sways do a good job of getting rid of the body roll. Every car I drive now that's stock feels like a boat (ok, well, not the Miata)!!
I personally don't think the headers are worth $1100. Yes, you do get a little out of them, but its all top end and barely noticeable at that. I'd say the headers are worth about $750. But no way in hell are they worth $1100.
The intake also isn't going to give you much but a great sound. But then, it's only a couple hundred bucks, so who cares, right?
The exhaust is even more worthless than the CAI for power gains. It's all in the sound.</STRONG>
I totally agree with GoldTypeS. Suspension/Tires are the best bang for the buck on this car. If you have a little more money, then light weight rims will give you a combination of better acceleration and handling. The acceleration from light rims are felt through out the whole RPM range, whereas the Headers can only be felt at the top end IMO.
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Originally posted by FDao:
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I totally agree with GoldTypeS. Suspension/Tires are the best bang for the buck on this car. If you have a little more money, then light weight rims will give you a combination of better acceleration and handling. The acceleration from light rims are felt through out the whole RPM range, whereas the Headers can only be felt at the top end IMO.</STRONG>
<STRONG>
I totally agree with GoldTypeS. Suspension/Tires are the best bang for the buck on this car. If you have a little more money, then light weight rims will give you a combination of better acceleration and handling. The acceleration from light rims are felt through out the whole RPM range, whereas the Headers can only be felt at the top end IMO.</STRONG>
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I would list my mod preference as follows:
1.) Springs
2.) Shocks
3.) Sways
4.) CAI (not really needed but sounds cool)
5.) Headers (too expensive IMO)
6.) A new exhaust is really not needed
1.) Springs
2.) Shocks
3.) Sways
4.) CAI (not really needed but sounds cool)
5.) Headers (too expensive IMO)
6.) A new exhaust is really not needed
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Yeah I like it...there is a humming sound on the short ram...but, with the cold air shield and ram air attachment...it is a lot more muffled...I have the pics...but I need someone to put up for me...my friend hasn't gotten a chance to edit his page.
Originally posted by mblock66:
<STRONG>I see that you have the weapon R intake stuff. Do you like it? Did you feel the response from it</STRONG>
<STRONG>I see that you have the weapon R intake stuff. Do you like it? Did you feel the response from it</STRONG>
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So what would one expect to pay to get the Comptech sways and springs and have them installed? I really don't care about having (more of) a speed demon, but I am a fanatic about handling. I also hate that "squat" from start-off acceleration.
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Originally posted by sundance_gold:
<STRONG>So what would one expect to pay to get the Comptech sways and springs and have them installed? I really don't care about having (more of) a speed demon, but I am a fanatic about handling. I also hate that "squat" from start-off acceleration.</STRONG>
<STRONG>So what would one expect to pay to get the Comptech sways and springs and have them installed? I really don't care about having (more of) a speed demon, but I am a fanatic about handling. I also hate that "squat" from start-off acceleration.</STRONG>
Springs = $300+
Sways = $300+
Labor = $400+
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Can you buy springs and have them installed without buying new shocks. I would buy the eibach springs if I could utilize them with stock shocks. Then I would put the sways on next.
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Originally posted by mblock66:
<STRONG>Can you buy springs and have them installed without buying new shocks. I would buy the eibach springs if I could utilize them with stock shocks. Then I would put the sways on next.</STRONG>
<STRONG>Can you buy springs and have them installed without buying new shocks. I would buy the eibach springs if I could utilize them with stock shocks. Then I would put the sways on next.</STRONG>
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Actual dynos of 170hp.GSR Integra saw 10-12hp
increase with AEM-CAI! Would we expect less
with our CL-S! Can anyone post a dyno of AEM-
CAI on CL-S! I have built 2 CAI's now and the
difference can be felt in your butt! 6/10
better 0-60 and 4/10 in 1/4m so that tells you CAI really helps on bottom end! My CAI has less severe bend than AEM and is painted
inside and out with ceramic paint that insulated better than AEM! I replaced shocks
at same time cause new stiffer springs are
going to wear out stock shocks. Koni Yellows
are expensive but allow you to tune your
suspension just the way you want. The handling is superb now! Good luck with your
mods.
increase with AEM-CAI! Would we expect less
with our CL-S! Can anyone post a dyno of AEM-
CAI on CL-S! I have built 2 CAI's now and the
difference can be felt in your butt! 6/10
better 0-60 and 4/10 in 1/4m so that tells you CAI really helps on bottom end! My CAI has less severe bend than AEM and is painted
inside and out with ceramic paint that insulated better than AEM! I replaced shocks
at same time cause new stiffer springs are
going to wear out stock shocks. Koni Yellows
are expensive but allow you to tune your
suspension just the way you want. The handling is superb now! Good luck with your
mods.
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Originally posted by blazerbob1:
<STRONG>Actual dynos of 170hp.GSR Integra saw 10-12hp
increase with AEM-CAI! Would we expect less
with our CL-S! Can anyone post a dyno of AEM-
CAI on CL-S! I have built 2 CAI's now and the
difference can be felt in your butt! 6/10
better 0-60 and 4/10 in 1/4m so that tells you CAI really helps on bottom end! My CAI has less severe bend than AEM and is painted
inside and out with ceramic paint that insulated better than AEM! I replaced shocks
at same time cause new stiffer springs are
going to wear out stock shocks. Koni Yellows
are expensive but allow you to tune your
suspension just the way you want. The handling is superb now! Good luck with your
mods.</STRONG>
<STRONG>Actual dynos of 170hp.GSR Integra saw 10-12hp
increase with AEM-CAI! Would we expect less
with our CL-S! Can anyone post a dyno of AEM-
CAI on CL-S! I have built 2 CAI's now and the
difference can be felt in your butt! 6/10
better 0-60 and 4/10 in 1/4m so that tells you CAI really helps on bottom end! My CAI has less severe bend than AEM and is painted
inside and out with ceramic paint that insulated better than AEM! I replaced shocks
at same time cause new stiffer springs are
going to wear out stock shocks. Koni Yellows
are expensive but allow you to tune your
suspension just the way you want. The handling is superb now! Good luck with your
mods.
</STRONG>
Since the fall of dot com, a lot of the pictures have "fallen off the earth." I did save some of the images, and have a link to Mike's dyno. The top curves are with the AEM CAI, then 2nd highest curves are the headers, and the lowest curves (hp/torque) is the stock CL Type-S.
Here is the link (hope it works for a while):
Suzuka Master
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Originally posted by EricL:
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Since the fall of dot com, a lot of the pictures have "fallen off the earth." I did save some of the images, and have a link to Mike's dyno. The top curves are with the AEM CAI, then 2nd highest curves are the headers, and the lowest curves (hp/torque) is the stock CL Type-S.
Here is the link (hope it works for a while):
</STRONG>
<STRONG>
Since the fall of dot com, a lot of the pictures have "fallen off the earth." I did save some of the images, and have a link to Mike's dyno. The top curves are with the AEM CAI, then 2nd highest curves are the headers, and the lowest curves (hp/torque) is the stock CL Type-S.
Here is the link (hope it works for a while):
BTW -- It appears much larger in my site view -- you probably want to download the "picture" and examine the jpeg in a "viewer" program. There is a lot of detail, so you should be able to blow it up to see the exact gains.
Suzuka Master
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Originally posted by blazerbob1:
<STRONG>Thanks Eric for posting dyno. Dyno sheet is a little dull but that looks like 10hp. and 6 torque increase?! over the header. What do you think that increase would be if just CAI over stock?!</STRONG>
<STRONG>Thanks Eric for posting dyno. Dyno sheet is a little dull but that looks like 10hp. and 6 torque increase?! over the header. What do you think that increase would be if just CAI over stock?!
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Here is the "written" data below the graphs...
Headers,AEM -> HP 236.5, Torque 198.7
Headers -> HP 228.4, Torque 192.2
Stock -> HP 198.8, Torque 182.6
I would expect the headers to INCREASE the gain from the intake, but sometimes expectations do not meet with reality. There are some pictures on Webtoker's site (Red Rocket) from AEM of an average of 10-15 runs. The AEM people claim an even greater gain than Mike's dyno shows.
I could see how a dyno operator could get different results on a CAI test by trying to route tons of very cold air to the AEM intake area. I could also see someone not using enough fans, and letting the whole dyno area (intake air included) get really hot.
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Originally posted by H4mm3rm4n:
<STRONG>Sways are the best value-for-the-dollar mod you can get for our car, IMO.</STRONG>
<STRONG>Sways are the best value-for-the-dollar mod you can get for our car, IMO.</STRONG>
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