We got three decent pulls in and here's how it went
1. From a dead stop, we dont stand a chance, i spun, but even if would've grabbed he still got me....ended up through third he was about 1-1/2 ahead.
2. From a 30mph roll, we both punch it in 2nd and we are side by side til 100 and we let off.
3. From a 60mph roll, he pulls on me about 1/2car til 110....

Im sure people will mess with me, just like TypeR, but this did happen...those things are fast as hell and im just glad i could hold my own...props to the mustang owner, but wait til i get my charger and maybe some new tires and hopefully we'll meet up again

 

I'm Asssming it was N/A right?

 

Stg III comes with a supercharger

Stg I & II are appearance and suspension mods, Stg III gets into motor mods

 

I know, but i think he did mistaken the stage 2 by stage 3. There is noway a CL-S with all bolt ons will stay even from a roll with a Roush Stage 3 till 100mph. Even the 1 1/2 car loss should be more if the roush was stage 3. Stage 3 can get high 12's at 110-111 in traps with a good driver.

 

yup, I thought the same thing... who knows? The Stage I can look identical to the Stg III on the outside

at least he knew people would screw with him :P

 

Yeah like 15K worth on the Roush S3

.....that fawker better be fast for those kinds of dollars.


CLS = no chance

gearing tells the story, refering to the above race

 

http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caran...lass=22&page=2

I try to stay away from magazine racing... but does your car run 12's? Low 13's? I imagine even a crappy driver would get 13.5 out of the Roush everytime... especially cuz it goes from 0-100 in 10 seconds!

 

It had a stage 3 badge on the back and I know for a fact he was racing....what can I say other than my car must have been on crack. I know these things are fast and that's the only reason I posted this b/c I was surprised I stayed close from a roll. Damn...im gonna start keeping my camera in the car to get proof. I appreciate you guys not flaming or nothing, but anything can happen during race, maybe he missed a shift or something, but that's the way these couple of pulls turned out...btw i havent actually ran mine at the track, but with the mods I have, people say I should hit high 13's

 

I had a friend who bought a GT and then installed a Saleen body kit with the wheels. U would never know that it is a stock GT after the body kit. The same thing could happen with this Roush. To make it easier for u.... did u hear a whine when he floored the car next to u? Roush SC tend to make a whine sound when u floor it so u should have heard it. If u didnt hear it then that Stage 3 sticker was added to the car. Hell man if it was a stage 3 roush then u can stay even with me or take my car(LS1) out from a roll .

 

It was most likely a Stage I or II, but if that guy put a Stage III sticker on, well, he's just making Roush look bad. Even if you are in the high 13s, you would not be in the same general area as a stage III.

You need to get your car to a track to see what it can do. I've heard that the 6 speed really transforms the CLS into a monster. N/A 6 banger in the 13s, coooolllll!!!!!

 

Im pretty sure it was a Stage III, I seem to be able to keep up and most of the time beat Stage II's and regular GT's. Ive only run one Stage II and beat him by about a car til 100 and Gt's I'll normally pull on around 45 and keep pulling hard til 100. Like I said before, my car was probably on crack. Anyways, its good to see some think logically about these things and dont bash like most other domestic owners.

GS Dave....Im gonna go to the track as soon as I get the supercharger that just came out...ive seen my car run and the best they hit w/stock tires was 14.1, so i know roughly what it can do.....but we'll keep you posted

 

Don't you think it would be good to have before and after times. Maybe the Cls are different, but there is a lot of car to car variation in the performance of the L67 powered cars(GTPs Regal GSs). Just a thought.

On that note, I'm sure some of the blown CLS have been to the track, what kind of times are they pulling, low 13s???

Dave

 

not sure about any CL-S's with a charger, except for the Comptech one and the only thing they said was that it was passing NSX's. Which is not a bad thing considering the NSX is their main "sports" car. The dyno showed it put 325hp to the wheels at 5.5psi, so who knows....a properly driven CL w/the charger and slicks should hit low 13's, possibly high 12's, but all of this is hypothetical until someone actually does...which i plan on being one of the first....we'll just have to see

 

So did u hear a whine or not? A GT with bolt ons should be fast. They respond very well to headers, catback, X pipe, TB, silencer removed with K&N, gears, and Pulleys. That should put them in mid 13's since they are TQ crazy and can pull low 60ft's. With my 99 Cobra stock it ran 13.7 at 103 and when i just removed the silencer i ran 13.6 at 104. That is with stock filter at the same time and track condition. So Mustangs do respond to mods very well.

 

half a second is driver's race... but the Roush Stage 3 should be a full second faster than you, if you're running high 13's. That's why it's so hard to believe <shrug> Plus, you say that from a roll he took you but you were slipping and he only ended up 1.5 cars ahead of you???... So if you didn't slip, then he would have beat you, but maybe only by a car? That's really hard to believe that it was a Stage 3 you were running. They make mean torque down low... from a roll, it's a little more believeable, though doubtful that you would do anything other than smell exhaust fumes. Take that bad boy to the track and see what you get... we're all curious.

Let's put this another way... looking at your mods, you have at most 260 at the wheels (that's pretty generous too I think) and the Roush has 360, and less weight? Not to mention it kills you in the torque? And don't even bring up area under the curve, because the Roush is all over you there too... that's a roots charger, so it makes mean torque down low.

 

You sure he knew you guys were racing? Maybe he was just driving normally and you pulled up next to him thinking that you were gonna race and he was just chillin listening to the radio and telling one of his friends how he ran a 12 second quarter when you pulled along side and revved your lawnmower exhaust at him. And since he couldn't compete with the sound of your potentially deadly 3.2L V6, he just let you pass so he wouldn't get a headache.
Honestly, any person who can drive in a Rousch stage III will smoke you so bad. But then again, with your deadly intake, exhaust, and headers mods who knows...

 

 

Hey rainman....if you think its so deadly, why dont you come find out. By the way...have you ever seen a stock Stage III run a 12 second 1/4mile? I havent....however I have seen a bone stock saleen walk one. Oh and yes Im driving a saleen, but why cant you guys get over that this happened? I admitted losing from a stop, but from a roll it was even, im sorry it turned out that way, b/c you're right he should've killed, but he didnt this time. And yes, he was racing, in fact he ran a friend of mine's GTP and from a roll they were side by side....and I beat the GTP. To be honest, I dont care if you believe me or not, but why would you want to post something that is a lie?

 

Hey smart guy, when I refer to a 12 second quarter that doesn't mean 12.0 it could mean 12.9 which is what the advertised Roush stage III runs. Whatever the case is, the car has more low end, mid range, and high end than your CL does. I'm not saying your story is true or not, but perhaps grandpa jim in the Roush next to you did not drive it to it's full potential.
In that case, did I tell you about the time my 91 Ford Festiva devastated a 911 turbo. I beat him off the line, from a roll, in reverse... Course it did have an intake, headers, and exhaust.

 

Is your friends GTP modded? If so, with what?

It would have to be heavily modded to keep up with a Roush III, especially from a roll. The GTP is the same as my GS, and we are weakest from a roll. I don't doubt your 6speed can take a stock GTP, especially from a roll, but a modded one would be a tough race, especially if he is modded enough to run with the Roush.

I'm not trying to flame, it just isn't making sense in my head. Maybe I'm just slow, and I don't mean my car. Yea I almost walked in to that one.

 

gs dave,

it's my friend thats has the modded GTP that zootking was talking about.. not sure of all his mods(his name is wildride330 on the GTP site) he is running 12psi, exhaust, intake not sure of the rest. i was in the GTP when we raced that stage 3 roush, we did a role from 30-100 and the roush beat us by a half of car... the last time i saw this guy in the roush stage 3 at the 1/8 track he ran a 8.7....

as for zootking i believe his story about his race with the stage 3 roush because he ran the same guy... also i set up a race with GTP vs CL-S (6-SPEED ZOOTKING) the GTP got him off the line then about 60 the CL-S came flying by and kept on pulling hard..

 

Its amazing how little people know about other cars. If it was a Roush Stage 3, you would have gotten beaten by buslengths. It probably was re-badged. You probably raced a Roush Stage I or II, which is essentially a stock GT with body kit, rims, and exhaust.

 

FIRST OFF IS THIS A MAXIMA SITE ??? how much do you know about a CL or CL-S???

this is a roush stage 3 and next time i'm going to race him get it on video of me kicking his ass from a role or stop, and you can think of more "RICER COMBACKS" of how it's impossable

have you heard the old saying "anybody can beat anybody on any givin day !!!!!!

 

I think its funny how little people know about racing, anything can happen....sure I can read the numbers and knew I shouldve been beat, in fact I said i did get beat when we went from a stop, but from a roll it was a different story. We could argue about this til we're blue in the face, so im done....sorry i didnt have a camera for visual proof, but then people still wouldve come up with some lame excuse like he wasnt racing. Anyways, i guess i wont post any of my racing experiences until i have proof.

 

Yes there is a Maxima site...what does that have to do with this....


Fact is...No CL-S is going run with a properly driven Stage 3. Maybe you should check out www.roushracing.com and see what the Stage 3 actually is.

 

Yes anything can happen on the street, I know that and its great you realize that. Just dont go bragging that you beat a Roush Stage III when you know that you got lucky.

 

i know what a stage 3 is you dipshit !!!!

I HATE WHEN PEOPLE SAY WHAT I CAN AND CAN'T DO

i have a friend with a 03 maxima with 100 shot and he ran 12'9 but i get he can beat a BIG BAD STAGE 3 RIGHT???

go back to your board until you know what the hell your talking about.....

 

You have been sniffing the N20 too much, lay off it. A Stage III includes a little something called a SUPERCHARGER. Tell me how a CL-S with just headers and intake is going to take that car out, all things being equal.

BTW....Your friends Maxima would be beaten by a Stage III. If you are referring to who I think you are, that run was achieved with slicks and more than a 100 shot. Learn what your talking about.

 

If you'd read any of my posts, I wasnt bragging...i was simply stating what had happened with my encounter......if I were bragging, I wouldve said bring on to any Stage III Roush...come on man......you can do better than that

 

I read this...

" Hey rainman....if you think its so deadly, why dont you come find out. By the way...have you ever seen a stock Stage III run a 12 second 1/4mile?"

 

lets get of this subject for a sec... what do your maxima run in the 1/4 ???

 

17.25@83.5 mph on a 2.19 60'........Who cares what my car runs....Quit trying to change the subject.....Again how is a CL-S going to take a car thats nearly as quick as a Z06???

 

Did anyone hear a SC whine on that thing? This is the third time i ask this question. With a SC car there are alot of factors that can hurt its performance. for example heat, and boost leakage, etc.

U should read this
http://www.autorevista.com/articles/01roush.htm

So if u can hang with a healthy Roush stage 3 with ur CL-S then u can beat a C5, M5, M3, 911 C2. U should take ur car to the track, U might have a freak in ur hands.

 

Fast...yes I did hear a whine coming from the mustang...it was faint, so I doubted at first that it was a stage III. Ive got a friend w/ a saleen and his whine is much louder than the one coming from the Roush, I guess b/c its a different charger.

Maximized, if you're saying im bragging, yeah I was to Rainman b/c all he can do try to bust on people's posts, as for the mustang, yeah I knew it was a long shot, just thought I would tell my fellow CL owners about it.....so no offense, but take your 17.2 and go back to maxima board

 

Ummm, I have a supercharger, and I think a 6speed CLS w/ headers and CAI, could take me out. C'mon, you're smarter than that.

Is this story hard to believe, YES, does that mean its not true, no. I took out a WRX in my stock GS. Is that hard to believe, yes, did it happen, yes. And I beat him pretty good, 1.5 carlengths at 60mph. Does that mean that he sucked as a driver, yeah probably, but I still won.

Just because someone has a car thats supposed to be faster doesn;t mean that a story is BS. Just like we all know there are factory freaks in a good way, there are also anti factory freaks, you know, cars that are much slower than they should be.

A win is a win, why is it so important to you that you call BS???

Zootking, if you do run him with a camara, make sure you take a shot of the motor, so that we can all see it is a stage III, personally I don't think it was, I think it was rebadged. But I don't know for sure.

OK, here is the truth as I see it, the Roush lost.

Yea, you shouldn't have beat him if we were magazine racing, but hell, his blower belt could have been slipping for all I know, or he sucked as a driver, or he underestimated your car, or.....

Bottom line, anything can happen on the street. Good Kill.

 

Appreciate it Dave, that's the way Ive been looking at it all along...and if I do see him again, I will be sure to take pictures and hopefully a video.

 

I have to agree with Fast and GS Dave.....all cars are not created equal. You never know what state of tune they are in either when you run one on the street. There's a guy here with a stage 3 convertible and had trouble getting into the 13s with his car at Fun Ford Weekend. No telling what's wrong with that thing. All I know is I would be SICK after spending what he has on the car. His buddy told me he is not very happy right now.

All I have to say is good job to Zootking.....You brought your A game and the Stage 3 didn't......Just how it goes sometimes....that's why I won't run someone on the street unless I know my car is running right. If I'm going to lose, I want to lose at my best...not at my worst. Cause right now there's a C5 that got me good cause I was running the wrong software (where are you, I need a rematch. :p) You win some, you lose some.....just be safe everyone.

 

Yo Rob, what you got done to your S4, cause I was looking at those before I got my CL?

 

this is the smartest man on the board

 

I have chip, cat-back, forge bypass valves, H&R springs and some 19" wheels.. It's a fun car. Not the most nimble or fastest, but it's a good all around performer. My biggest issue is parts are just expensive....don't get me started on how I think the aftermarket rips us off. Retail price of most downpipes (pair) for the S4, is $1500!!!!!!!!! I'm trying to work on getting a set for a lot less than that. I need'em.



Thanks.