Lean at Idle (e-manage, S/Cer & I/C)

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Old 04-10-2005 | 10:03 AM
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Lean at Idle (e-manage, S/Cer & I/C)

Okay got my first issue with exactly 14,000 miles on the friggen car.

put the smaller boost pulley on last night... (9lbs.)

my car ran like an animal...

came home..

this morning, I go to start the car and the A/F ratio is off the map LEAN... 16.7 17.0 +

so I shut it down... it just does not sound right..

I have no I/C leaks.


someone enlighten me, if you ran into this issue and what you did to solve it...

My quess is that a value has to be off on the e-manage.
Old 04-10-2005 | 11:41 AM
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First of all, what's your fuel pressure? I mentioned this before, but my fuel regulator hose on the IC was rubbing on the power steering hose. It wore a hole in it and the car went lean. My bad, that would increase your fuel pressure at idle.

Here's something else I ran into, check the rpm wire on the E-Manage. My connection was lost and the car ran like a turtle. The E-Manage will think the idle is always at 500 rpm, thus your settings at 500 rpm will be the only values in effect.
Old 04-10-2005 | 12:36 PM
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Even if the AFR shows lean, the ECU will correct for it. If the ECU cannot correct for it, it will throw a code. Do you have any DTC's? Sometimes with the E-Manage, the AFR acts wierd when idling... hits 16... even 18 for a second or two. Check the connections on the harness.
Old 04-10-2005 | 12:37 PM
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BTW, do you detonate at 9psi?
Old 04-10-2005 | 02:40 PM
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Smitty says he removed the e-manage and put back on the stock blower shaft pulley and the car runs fine.

He also said he thinks one of the cylinders wasn't firing at all. He pulled one of the injector clips off from the front passenger side injector and there was no change in the way the car sounded or idled. He plugged that back on and tried the next cylinder and the car sounded like shit.

Without the e-manage the car sits perfectly at 14.7 while @ idle.

Sounds like an e-manage and/or wiring harness problem.
Old 04-10-2005 | 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by allmotor_2000
BTW, do you detonate at 9psi?

He said the car ran extremely well last night. Plenty rich with fuel pressure at 100psi and AFR around 11.0:1 during WOT.
Old 04-10-2005 | 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
He said the car ran extremely well last night. Plenty rich with fuel pressure at 100psi and AFR around 11.0:1 during WOT.
At least that sounded like good news.
Was that with or without the E-manage?
Old 04-10-2005 | 06:41 PM
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It can be abit rough when your first trying to get the E-Manage hooked in and working right. Like mrSteve said, it's probably a wiring issue. Talk to Scalbert about this yet?
Old 04-10-2005 | 08:39 PM
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Yep, spoke a while ago. Waiting to hear back though. I'm going to bed soon so I'll have to wait until tomorrow.

But from what we could tell there may have been a connection issue. But more importantly, it appears the map was lost form the E-Manage. When he uploaded the program from the Main unit he could change any of the settings indicating that the correct map was not loaded.

I pre-loaded all units but I guess I could have made a mistake. Or maybe something can happen in transit. Either way I will need to change the instructions to account for this and the program will need to be loaded by the user.
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yeah Steve it is late so I did not call back....

It seems the map on the e-manage got lost.. no worries I uploaded the map took the car for a ride and I was running rich in the upper RPM (6lb pulley)... Went back, put the 9lb boost pulley on and went for a spin...
10.8-11.2 A/F
Pegged Fuel Pressure 100 then went back down to 95 psi
Boost was in the 7-8 psi range... I set the light to trigger at 9.. have not seen it yet..

I need to do some some tuning with Scalbert.

I have to admit, the car is a whole different animal.... it pulls very hard.

Thanks for your help guys.

Scalbert, let me know what values you need from me so you can help me tune.
Old 04-10-2005 | 09:44 PM
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Good to hear. I knew it had to be the e-manage. I'll still be sending you the package tomorrow morning.
Old 04-10-2005 | 10:19 PM
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thank you.

Send me your painted calipers too...
Old 04-11-2005 | 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Smitty
Send me your painted calipers too...

Old 04-11-2005 | 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Smitty


yeah Steve it is late so I did not call back....

It seems the map on the e-manage got lost.. no worries I uploaded the map took the car for a ride and I was running rich in the upper RPM (6lb pulley)... Went back, put the 9lb boost pulley on and went for a spin...
10.8-11.2 A/F
Pegged Fuel Pressure 100 then went back down to 95 psi
Boost was in the 7-8 psi range... I set the light to trigger at 9.. have not seen it yet..

I need to do some some tuning with Scalbert.

I have to admit, the car is a whole different animal.... it pulls very hard.

Thanks for your help guys.

Scalbert, let me know what values you need from me so you can help me tune.
Good to hear, we'll make an E-Manage tuning guru of you after all.

I would first try and back off on fuel pressure to maybe 30 PSI at idle with 20inHG vacuum. Then report back on the A/F numbers. I would feel better with the fuel; pressure down some. We can fine tune later on.
Old 04-11-2005 | 09:17 AM
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will do...
Old 04-11-2005 | 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by scalbert
Good to hear, we'll make an E-Manage tuning guru of you after all.
The way I see it, the more gurus the better....do you have a guru training program???
Old 04-11-2005 | 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by SCTL-SS

The way I see it, the more gurus the better....do you have a guru training program???

Old 04-11-2005 | 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Smitty
put the 9lb boost pulley on and went for a spin...
10.8-11.2 A/F
Pegged Fuel Pressure 100 then went back down to 95 psi
Boost was in the 7-8 psi range... I set the light to trigger at 9.. have not seen it yet..

I need to do some some tuning with Scalbert.

I have to admit, the car is a whole different animal.... it pulls very hard.

Thanks for your help guys.

Scalbert, let me know what values you need from me so you can help me tune.
Thats what I have mid-high 10s AFR with IC on and plan to tune it asap. My FP is backed down to 30-32psi at idle and still running too rich (other details on my thread). No biggy, better be safe
Old 04-12-2005 | 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 02AV6
No biggy, better be safe

I am surprised MrSteve did not tell the story he told me the other day about the guy boosting his car at 16PSI of boost and ran out of fuel... kablam!
Old 04-12-2005 | 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Smitty
I am surprised MrSteve did not tell the story he told me the other day about the guy boosting his car at 16PSI of boost and ran out of fuel... kablam!

Newest model Civic Si, Greddy Turbo Kit @ 16psi.

WOT in 6th gear, ran out of gas, KABOOOOOOOM!

* > Stupidity
Old 04-12-2005 | 03:59 PM
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what's that Civic run for an E/T you think?
Old 04-12-2005 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by derelict
what's that car run for an E/T you think?

Smitty's or the Civic?
Old 04-12-2005 | 04:07 PM
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Damn you are quick... between hitting "Submit Reply" and my final edit, was like 20 seconds. Board whore!
Old 04-12-2005 | 04:09 PM
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Old 04-12-2005 | 04:13 PM
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As the Civic sits now it'll only go as fast as the tow truck pulling it.

But i'd imagine it runs low 13s / high 12s.
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Originally Posted by derelict
Damn you are quick... between hitting "Submit Reply" and my final edit, was like 20 seconds. Board whore!

stfu noob
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