Well . . . some more fun runs . . . and these help support runs with the GTO and 645i runs I had.

These took place out of town over Labor Day weekend, so I had luggage and stuff in the car.

The Jeep SRT was a friend of mine and he just got it . . . traded in a Jag XKR for it. Anyway, I asked if he would run for grins so I could see how close I could hang with him. Well to both our surprise it was a neck and neck run . . . both times from a 30 punch. He let me have the jump and only for a brief second when I shifted in to 3rd did he start to catch me, but once I got the RPMs back up it was dead even.

The next day I was behind an 05/06ish M5 that was horsing around and thought I'd see how bad he'd beat me. Well . . . once again it was better than I expected. Now this one was from just a bit below 50mph and I stayed with him until I shifted and he pulled a car length on me, but then it stayed close until we let up around 110mph.

Now before some of you freak over the M5 results, note that their times vary greatly - high 12s to low 14s - depending on how it's drivin. So I'm pretty sure that he wasn't getting the most out of it, but it's now 4 cars I've run over the past several weeks that run pretty close together and all were close. Since my last track times were in the mid 14s, and I expect that with all my recent mods I should be very low 14s and possibly high 13s . . . especially if I can get a decent launch. Even so, we all know we'd gain a couple of 10ths or more if we could launch, so on the street from a 30mph or 40-50mph punch a well modded TLS can hang with 13sec cars.

BTW - it's not running 100% right now and none of these runs were done with my Ram Air fully enabled . . .

Ruf

02 WDP TLS Black Interior w/ Black Grill Inserts & Cleared Headlights
**1/4mile 14.46 @96.07MPH (45-70mph test - 3.5 secs)
(**before headers, Hi-flow CAT, IMMs, Bored out Intake & TBs)
17x7 Konig Appeals SMF - P225/45ZR-17 Bridgestone RE960 AS
CT Icebox, Custom RamAir, CT Sways & Springs
3nd Gen Innovative Motor Mounts – Front & Side Only
Bored out Intake & TBs, Mugen Cooling Mods & Thermoblok
Ceramic Coated XS Headers & Random-Tech Hiflow CAT
NEO Anti Freeze & 5w-20 oil w/Militec-1
Tranny #3 Installed 11.17.2008

 

Nice. Were you able to tell if the M5 was an auto or manual?

 

Sorry, couldn't tell . . . but I did see a nice puff of exhaust smoke at what I assume was him shifting to 3rd.

Ruf

 

Lol. I love taking some cars by surprise.

 

civic r u boosted? and ruf, your a 3.2TL with i/h/e/ported im and tb?

 

Here's what I have -

02 WDP TLS Black Interior w/ Black Grill Inserts & Cleared Headlights
**1/4mile 14.46 @96.07MPH (45-70mph test - 3.5 secs)**
17x7 Konig Appeals SMF - P225/45ZR-17 Bridgestone RE960 AS
CT Icebox, Custom RamAir, CT Sways & Springs
3nd Gen Innovative Motor Mounts – Front & Side Only
Bored out Intake & TBs, Mugen Cooling Mods & Thermoblok
Ceramic Coated XS Headers & Random-Tech Hiflow CAT
NEO Anti Freeze & 5w-20 oil w/Militec-1
Tranny #3 Installed 11.17.2008

Note: The 14.46 was before the Ceramic coated headers, Hi-flow CAT, Innovative Motor Mounts, Bored out Intake & Throttle bodies (TypeS has 2)

While the 14.46 was my best time of that day, I had 5 other runs all in the 14.56 or less range, so very consistent. Also note that I had very bad wheel hop as all 3 mounts were busted. With good mounts I think consistent 14.3 -14.4s and possibly 14.2s might have been possible that day.

Ruf

 

Everything I have done (so far) is in my sig. Hopefully Im going to the track tomorrow, so I can get some times.

 

so how is there a snail in your CL? lol.

 

Wow that sounds like a solid setup, how much more can you do before you have to go 3.5 or boost?

 

did the jeep turn off the traction control? cause i was running high 12's stock

 

There are still some add-ons like pullies, PR2 stuff, engine management stuff and maybe one or two more things I could play with, but you are right . . . It won't be long and the 3.5 build is the last thing before boosting . . . which I'm not a big fan of for a daily driver. I think I can get very low 13s without boosting . . but traction will be the key.

Ruf

 

This wasn't a consideration here as I stated we didn't run from a standing start and that I knew he'd beat me that way. The main point here is that these cars are pretty fast, faster than most people realize in a punch situation.

Take the case of the M5, assuming most people drive in the default mode the M5 is fair game for a well driven and modded TypeS.

M5 sample results:
Acceleration to mph optimized mode / default mode
0-60: 4.5 sec / 6.0 sec
Quarter mile: 12.9 sec @ 114.9 mph /14.4 sec @ 101.9 mph
Passing 45-65 mph: 1.8 sec / 2.8 sec

As you can see, if you have someone driving a M5 in default mode the times are very close to a modded TypeS.

Note my 45mph to 70mph times are 3.5 secs, only .7 secs less than the M5 times, and those are 5mph less than mine, so we're talking times that are very close to each other . . which is validated by the fact that I stayed close to the M5 up to 110Mph.

As for the Jeep SRT . . it's main advantage is off the line acceleration - the same thing WRX STIs have, but on the street from the punch I have pulled on stock ones everytime . . . so it'll be no different with a Jeep SRT from a punch, and again is validated by the fact that it was a neck and neck run.

Now if we could solve the traction problem these cars (NA) would be legit 13sec cars . . . but since they're front wheel drive . . . there's not much we can do.

Ruf

 

Shhhhh

 

Whoa. Please provide me the source to your info. I fail to see how switching the M5 from "sport" mode to "default" mode makes the car lose 10mph+ in trap speed.

IIRC, BMW's "M Mode" if that's the same thing as the "acceleration to mph optimized mode" increases throttle response and doesn't actually make the car "faster".

 

I hope this source passes your muster.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...s_pricing.html

If you understand that the BMW design is similar to some other high performance cars that offer a "valet" mode as some call it. It's like detuning the car so it's not so fast. Even for some daily drivers they'll keep it in that mode to save on gas. Oh, and 10mph in the trap isn't that much when all things are considered. Especially when you'll see as much a 5mph difference between various testers.

Ruf

 

Wow, that's crazy. This is the first time I've ever heard about that thanks for the info. I did notice the difference in trap speed between various magazine testers but always thought it was just due to conditions. Do you know if that applies to all "M" cars or is it specific to the M5?

 

ah, I ready don't know . . I've never really paid that much attention to it before. This recent M5 encounter was actually my 2nd one . . I never posted anything on that one as I thought it was an anomally, but after this 2nd one I decided to see what the ranges were and came across the Motor Trend report by chance.

I do know something else though from personal experience with my TLS. The first time I ever took it to the track the only mod was light weight wheels and tires. I ran 14.7s, but was trapping 93mph . . that reminded me that traction and your 60' times have a direct impact on both your times and trap speed. So, since the default mode is more suspension based I'm betting that is where some of the change comes in . .

Anyway, I've got a couple of problems to fix before I head to the track to see what I'm running . . if it's only low 14s . . . I must be lucky in running into poorly driven and or maintained cars. Either way it's fun to run with the big boys who should whip us pretty easily.

Now go out there and find a few sleepy Ms to add to your kill list.

Ruf

 

I beat an older M5 a few weeks ago. Not the current model or the model before that. It was 2 models ago, if that makes any sense. Still pulled strong though and I didn't pull away until about 120, and yes, I'm boosted. I think it was rated at 394hp, can't remember the torque.

 

theres an srt8 jeep in my neighborhood and all i can say is that it is a nice ride and you always know when it comes and goes. that is a vehicle that makes it presence well known.

 

Indeed. The Jeep is one of the two Chrysler vehicles I would own (the other being the Viper of course). That truck is sick.