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Old Apr 13, 2001 | 09:56 PM
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And I thought that the Z06 had enough power...



Waiting for the 2002 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 will pay off for patient customers. They will be rewarded with more horsepower-405 hp vs. 385 hp for the 2001 model. The 20-hp bump also is 5 horsepower more than Chevy had originally expected from the latest work to the LS6 5.7-liter V8. Standard, non-Z06 models produce 350 hp.

According to sources in General Motors, the next Z06 engine benefits from revised engine valve springs and camshaft, and improved exhaust flow. Chevy will tout it as the fastest, lightest and most powerful Corvette ever produced.

Underpinning the upgraded Z06 is a beefed-up, high-performance suspension, including a larger front stabilizer with aluminum links, stiffer rear leaf springs, revised rear shock valving and new front-brake linings. The 2002 Z06 also sports cast-aluminum wheels and comes in a new color, Electron Blue, which replaces Speedway White in the five-color Z06 palette.

High-tech features include Corvette's stability control system and a standard head-up display.

So far, it appears Chevy will hold fast to its "hardtops-only" rule for the Z06's second year of production.




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Old Apr 14, 2001 | 12:04 AM
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Sweet! They just keep getting better and better!

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Old Apr 14, 2001 | 12:36 AM
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who gives a shit...i was at the New York International Autoshow today, and man...that Z06 is a piece of shit. Sure its powerful and fast...but the interior looks like a 89 geo metro. Just another american piece of worthless trash. My friends modded NSX (no turbo) will smoke the living shit out of any vette.
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Old Apr 14, 2001 | 01:11 AM
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ok i would love to see that nsx do that...and wait isnt that car 90k+ so shouldnt be able to beat a 50k car...im sure with 40k of modification a corvette could rip the pants out of a nsx. Have u ever heard of Ligenfelter? By the way your a moron and all american cars arent trash.
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Old Apr 14, 2001 | 01:18 AM
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Nirvanaib I respect your opinion, but I must rebottle. There are members over at corvetteforum who have monstrous machines. Some include a 750 hp 422 ci C5, 650HP TT C5s, and various other modded vettes. Until recently, I also owned a 2000 C5 coupe that ran 13.09 1/4 bone stock. Now your friend's NSX maybe fast, but I think you're pushing it when you say it can beat any vette. I will agree with you on the material construction of the interior, but it's very functional with some nice features. Now let's take a stock 2001 NSX and a stock 2001 Z06, I'll put money on the Z06 all day long on any type of racing.

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Old Apr 14, 2001 | 01:39 AM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nirvanaib:
who gives a shit...i was at the New York International Autoshow today, and man...that Z06 is a piece of shit. Sure its powerful and fast...but the interior looks like a 89 geo metro. Just another american piece of worthless trash. My friends modded NSX (no turbo) will smoke the living shit out of any vette. </font>
Dude your fuckin dreamin.......although I agree that chevrolet interior design sucks



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Old Apr 14, 2001 | 03:07 AM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nirvanaib:
who gives a shit...i was at the New York International Autoshow today, and man...that Z06 is a piece of shit. Sure its powerful and fast...but the interior looks like a 89 geo metro. Just another american piece of worthless trash. My friends modded NSX (no turbo) will smoke the living shit out of any vette. </font>
You must be on crack! No way will an NSX (any year) smoke the Z06! Duh!



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Old Apr 14, 2001 | 03:12 AM
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One more thing, a Vette is not, and never will be, a luxury car. Although some creature comforts are provided.... power, weight, performance, aerodynamics and exterior styling is what matters!

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Old Apr 14, 2001 | 02:47 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by z28typeSWRXkid:
ok i would love to see that nsx do that...and wait isnt that car 90k+ so shouldnt be able to beat a 50k car...im sure with 40k of modification a corvette could rip the pants out of a nsx. Have u ever heard of Ligenfelter? By the way your a moron and all american cars arent trash.</font>

Could not have said it better myself. Amen.


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Old Apr 14, 2001 | 02:49 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by thundercls:
Nirvanaib I respect your opinion, but I must rebottle. There are members over at corvetteforum who have monstrous machines. Some include a 750 hp 422 ci C5, 650HP TT C5s, and various other modded vettes. Until recently, I also owned a 2000 C5 coupe that ran 13.09 1/4 bone stock. Now your friend's NSX maybe fast, but I think you're pushing it when you say it can beat any vette. I will agree with you on the material construction of the interior, but it's very functional with some nice features. Now let's take a stock 2001 NSX and a stock 2001 Z06, I'll put money on the Z06 all day long on any type of racing.

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Could not have re-said it better myself...ah...getting monotonous here...:-)



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Old Apr 14, 2001 | 05:15 PM
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i think american cars suck shit too.

the only ones i like are, hummers, navigators, maybe vipers..and the newer expensive cadilacs.

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Old Apr 14, 2001 | 06:06 PM
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hey guys-don't forget:
WE drive an 'american' car
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Old Apr 15, 2001 | 02:44 AM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by deadlyCL-S:
i think american cars suck shit too.

the only ones i like are, hummers, navigators, maybe vipers..and the newer expensive cadilacs.

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does your momma know you use that kind of language you little dipshit. your probably a little flag burner too aren't you, ignorant bastard! and your little punk ass is from canada so what gives you the right to say shit about american cars


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Old Apr 15, 2001 | 03:10 AM
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Wow, this topic heated up pretty fast. As an owner (and former owner) of American, German and Japanese cars, I gotta say they all have their merits. To make an across the board slam on American cars is a little childish. There are plenty of cheesy Japanese cars, and quite a few nice American ones. There's a few of both from Germany as well. Besides, the CL was designed in the US and built in Ohio.

I'm a big fan of the Corvette for what it is, pure unadulterated power on four wheels. If you want to get from point A to point B as fast as a $150k Ferrari, that's one way to do it, and pocket $100k for an M5 and a CL-S on the side. ;-)

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Old Apr 15, 2001 | 03:17 AM
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Anything I post heats up. Hmmm...

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Old Apr 15, 2001 | 03:39 AM
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I was just reading the latest Consumer Reports on all new 2001 models and in this issue they showed reliability of cars since 1980. It was rated in incidents per 100 cars or something like that. Back in 1980, according to this report, American cars sucked ass big time and German cars were much better and Japanese cars were the best by far. By 1990 the gap had closed greatly but still the same order. By 2000 there is such a small gap that it really makes it hard to make blanket statements like "American cars suck". Again, in 2000 it was the same order, American, German and Japanese the best but the gap was very small. Sorry I don't have the specifics but I read it a week ago and I don't have the issue to refer to.

One more thing to think of. Do you really think American car companies would be selling as many cars as they are if they had a bad product? Sure, there is a bad car here and there but overall the quality is way up from past years. Sure, it's still not up to the level of Japanese cars but that doesn't mean that they suck.

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Old Apr 15, 2001 | 08:01 AM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by thundercls:
...Now let's take a stock 2001 NSX and a stock 2001 Z06, I'll put money on the Z06 all day long on any type of racing.

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sure in a straight line, the z06 is faster, but it doesn't handle as well as the nsx. so would you still take it in the twisties?



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Old Apr 15, 2001 | 09:19 AM
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Does the fact that the Vette pulls about 1g affect how it will run through the twisties?

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Old Apr 15, 2001 | 11:13 AM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by yezbozz:
sure in a straight line, the z06 is faster, but it doesn't handle as well as the nsx. so would you still take it in the twisties?

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Another false statement. Where are you getting this info? Pure BS.




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Old Apr 15, 2001 | 09:26 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nirvanaib:
who gives a shit...i was at the New York International Autoshow today, and man...that Z06 is a piece of shit. Sure its powerful and fast...but the interior looks like a 89 geo metro. Just another american piece of worthless trash. My friends modded NSX (no turbo) will smoke the living shit out of any vette. </font>
NSX with mods still is pretty slow. I never seen a "fast" nsx. I've seen one with a blower only put down 280 rwhp and 220 ft*lbs of torque. With a turbo they still suck. If you have NOS you can make an OK fast NSX but what happens when the bottle dies? A vette can be made much faster then any NSX. I don't like vettes and think they are POS but they are fast. The ZO6 is fast, but once you get power there is never enough. The NSX is a nice car, but if you want a 1/4 mile car or even top speed, a turbo'ed car like a sky-line, supra, 300 z, or r-x7 will smoke any NSX no matter how much money you dump into it. Some may say Adam S. and his nitto sponsored NSX might be the first import car to break the 200 mph barrier. Well this isn't a real car, tube frame fully custom car, but it also has a V-8 and front engine.

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Old Apr 15, 2001 | 09:32 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by yezbozz:
sure in a straight line, the z06 is faster, but it doesn't handle as well as the nsx. so would you still take it in the twisties?

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No, a ZO-6 will out handle any NSX in every performance category. Maybe it's easier for an average driver to feel more confident in an NSX but the vette is naturally a better handler. I don't like vettes but you have to give credit where credit is due. The current NSX was good when it came out but now about every sports car has shot past it, even the crappy vette handles better, breaks quicker, and accelerates quicker. In 93 the new supra could do the same, beat the NSX in every category. It's 2001, it's about time chevy does too.

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Old Apr 15, 2001 | 09:34 PM
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Let's face it guys. The NSX is a great car. In many ways it tries to be an exotic. However, it doesn't compete with the best of the performance cars. Simply put, it has a V6 and is a 10-year-old design. Don't get me wrong, it's a great car but the Z06 is a much better performer. Now, as for which one is more reliable, I'm sure there is no argument there that it's the NSX. That's also partly why the NSX is so damn expensive. The NSX is a super reliable semi-exotic car.

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Old Apr 15, 2001 | 10:10 PM
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Yeah, gotta give points to the RX-7, my favorite car in the last 10 or so years. Too bad they stopped making them. If I didn't need a back seat, I'd pick up a 95 RX-7 and be done with it.

Amazing how much power you can pull out of a 1.3 litre rotary. Having 1/3 the parts of a reciprocating engine is a blessing, until you need to get it fixed.

The Z-06 is a great car, providing you like the styling. It's all subjective at that point.
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Old Apr 16, 2001 | 05:31 AM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by kastegir:
Yeah, gotta give points to the RX-7, my favorite car in the last 10 or so years. Too bad they stopped making them. If I didn't need a back seat, I'd pick up a 95 RX-7 and be done with it.

Amazing how much power you can pull out of a 1.3 litre rotary. Having 1/3 the parts of a reciprocating engine is a blessing, until you need to get it fixed.

The Z-06 is a great car, providing you like the styling. It's all subjective at that point.
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I like the RX-7 too. They still make them in japan and now make 280 HP. Their only weakness is the driveline. They break more then anything. It's not uncommon to see two RX-7's line up at the track and see them both fail. I saw this at LACR during the finals.

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Old Apr 16, 2001 | 02:16 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by yezbozz:
sure in a straight line, the z06 is faster, but it doesn't handle as well as the nsx. so would you still take it in the twisties?

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You are completely wrong about that. The Z06 cannot be beat even by the Viper GTS ACR on the track.

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Old Apr 16, 2001 | 02:20 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by TakeFlight:
Let's face it guys. The NSX is a great car. In many ways it tries to be an exotic. However, it doesn't compete with the best of the performance cars. Simply put, it has a V6 and is a 10-year-old design. Don't get me wrong, it's a great car but the Z06 is a much better performer. Now, as for which one is more reliable, I'm sure there is no argument there that it's the NSX. That's also partly why the NSX is so damn expensive. The NSX is a super reliable semi-exotic car.

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The main reason why the NSX is so expensive is because of its aluminum construction. Not because of reliability issues. Also, that is what is left to call this car an exotic super car. Its alloy construction which used to be hot 5-10 years ago but now steel construction is a better solution due to refinement overall. ANd that is why the new NSX will go the steel route.


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Old Apr 16, 2001 | 03:01 PM
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I was just thinking that the power increase of the Z06 to 405 hp is even more evidence of where the new NSX will lie as far as HP output. Four hundred is even more probable now.

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