soopa

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2001 Acura 3.2 CL Type-S
San Marino Red (Navigation)
PIAA 19173 Ion Yellow Fogs • Valentine 1 • SilverKnight Grill
Xephyr CAI • Comptech Springs

BigPimp

Its looks good, although those lights have got to go. What are the specs on the car?

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Bad ideas catch on quickly

Beltfed

Definitely, I think it will be a great car (although 30-40 more hp would be a nice touch)....hopefully full leather will be an option or standard for 02- but just edited my message after reading that its available.

Beltfed
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soopa

That lip spoiler is a niceee!

Big wheels. Even stiffer suspension.

Finally gets full leather... plus a pop-up navi.

Wish they would make a 2-door version

tel1sps

I agree a two door would look nicer... does the M have more hp???

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2001 Silver 3.2CLS
Muds, Spoiler, Hardwire 8500, Polarg M-6 lamps, K&N filter #33-2178,
Comptech Headers, Sways, mufflers
Planning: SSR 17X7.5 GT1 Wheels, Brembo Brakes.

Jake

Where can I see interior pictures of the navi? Sounds pretty cool.

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2002 Aegean Blue Type S/Navi - On Order - Waiting
2000 S2000 #3369 - For sale soon

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BigPimp

2 Questions:

Does it get an arm rest and
will the sport shift be easier to use?

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e1828

THe M stands for Manual? Plus real leather and other subtle changes? Nto for more hp.

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2001 Silver CL-S
DOM: 10/2000

Caddy©

Good Looking Car !

No Doubt



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2001 CL-S Silver
Comptech Headers
Comptech Sways
14 % Tint
Viper 550 Alarm

JATLIFE

I just wish Lexus would have tried to differentiate it a bit more from the BMW 3 series. It even looks like a C-class with clearouts now! The rims are biting the 3 series.

I would like the IS A LOT MORE if they had decent interior (not to mention more power for that price). Their interior is cheap, ugly and tacky. They should have brought the interior from the ES300 and tweaked it a little bit at the very least. UUUUUGLLLLYYYY on the inside.

soopa

If it wasnt for all the aftermarket biters... I would like the lights.

Yes, power remains the same at a measly 215... but you can modify an IS to 500+hp for barely any money.

I dont have interior pics but I seen it at the NY Auto Show and it looks much better. They upgraded all the plastics to be of better quality... added an armrest and dimming mirrors... added the navi... and it now has full leather as an option.

I dunno bout the sportshift... but who cares.. the IS is a car that NEEDS a manual.

But yea... the only reason(s) i dont buy one is cuz the interior is shitty... and its not a 2-door... it shouldnt be a 4-door.



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2001 Acura 3.2 CL Type-S
San Marino Red (Navigation)
PIAA 19173 Ion Yellow Fogs • Valentine 1 • SilverKnight Grill
Xephyr CAI • Comptech Springs

Beach-CL

Nice looking car... but I wish Lexus would've been less obvious in trying to copy the 3 series BMW.

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2001 Silver CL-S

someguy

It's nice, I would still rather have a 330i.

soopa

Right me too. But... your talking 40+k for a decently equipped 330. lol

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San Marino Red (Navigation)
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Xephyr CAI • Comptech Springs

JATLIFE

Overall, I think it gets outdone by the TL-S for sure, 330 for sure, and even the C320 can give it a run for the money. It's about 80% luxury and 20% sport, whereas the IS is 90% sport and 10% luxury. That 90% sport just isnt that great... needs more power. but love the RWD setup, the handling, and the mods that can be done... but then you are jacking up the price on a tiny little car.

someguy

Not necessarily. I just built one

330i- 33,990
Dest charge- 645
Sport Pack- 1,200
Premium Pack- 2,900 (optional)
Indash CD- 200

Total

$38,935

Xenon, 3 series has older system, 5 has new, much better headlights. Besides, the Haogens on BMWs are excellent.
Navigation- I don't need it
Heated Seats- not necessary
Fold down seats- not necessary

soopa

See, for me...

Sport Pkg, Premium Pkg, Heated Seats, Navi, Xenons, CD are all neccesarry.

Also when do you start paying luxury tax? Over 35k right?

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PIAA 19173 Ion Yellow Fogs • Valentine 1 • SilverKnight Grill
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JRock

Hahahaha $39k...that's practically $40k, especially with tax & tags. Get the F outta here.

When you can get a loaded 330 for $32k, we'll talk.

-J

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2001 CL-S Aegean Blue/black interior spoiler, wheel locks, no-navi
50% tint sides, 35% back.
J&J RAP CAI

buyingCLsoon

hold up the the 2002 is300 has a navi.system now.?? when is this going to come out..??
bc my parents are looking for a new car and i think the is300 is pretty nice and all.

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-SPOILER
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=GETTING TINTS TOMORROW

soopa

I think parents would look like fools in an IS.

Even though their bringing it slightly upmarket... its still high-school/college kid looking heh.

But... August '01 is its release date.

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2001 Acura 3.2 CL Type-S
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PIAA 19173 Ion Yellow Fogs • Valentine 1 • SilverKnight Grill
Xephyr CAI • Comptech Springs

icy CL

imo, it looks like a civic from the behind!

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"i drive it like my grandma....j/k"

buyingCLsoon

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I think parents would look like fools in an IS.

Even though their bringing it slightly upmarket... its still high-school/college kid looking heh.

But... August '01 is its release date.
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damn only thought to my self bc it would be nice to drive my cl and sometimes the is.. thats true... anyways it has a pop out navi. system and a 5speed manual..??
do you have any int. pics??
thanks

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buyingCLsoon

there also making a is300 coupe/carbio in 2003...damn the is300 coupe is madd nice.. also we gotta have beef going on with our acura cl...

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the coupe

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the carbio

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soopa

The coupe & cabrio have never been confirmed... their just wild dreams by some slick photoshop gurus

If they do make it a coupe... it will be some damn fierce competition.

The coupe will look SWEET.

Same as with BMW... i think the 330i looks ass... but the 330Ci is dope!

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JATLIFE

Hey Soopa, look above to my last post. I actually replied to what you had said earlier but I did some retarded shit and it all came back as the OG statement. Anyway, just in case you missed it.

someguy

The 330 offers much more equipment than the IS, like rain-sensing wipers, an armrest, auto mirror, etc. The 3 series Xenons are not that good anyway, hopefully the 2002 will have the 2nd generation Xenons. The IS was built to compete with the 328i, and it couldn't even do that in terms of equipment and performance. The 3 series is a better product than the IS, why else would it outsell the Lexus so badly. The marketplace proves that despite that some consider it too expensive, the 3 series owns all other cars in its market segment. I'm also tired of people calling cars overpriced. There is no such thing as an overpriced car in competivie market. You think that they are overpriced because you aren't willing to pay for them, meaning you have different wants in a car. This does not make them overpriced, because companies adjust prices to meet demand and production factors.

DtEW

For comparable content, the IS300 MSRP's for $34155.

(The only content difference being the 330i having an auto-dimming rearview mirror and the IS300 having HIDs and in-dash 6-disk changer. Qualitatively, it's also been said that the BMW stock audio system is lacking, while people have generally liked the IS's stock audio system. But that's just a detail.)

Since the March 01, 2001 price drop, the 330i pricing has finally become what can be considered reasonable relative to the IS300. I just feel kind of sorry for the pre-03/01/01 buyers.

Not to say that there aren't good reasons to choose the 330i over the IS300, but there are definitely good reasons to choose the IS300 over the 300i, especially if you're young-at-heart and like to play with your cars.

The IS300 can be factory-equipped with a Torsen LSD. This is actually a very important part of the car's personality, because like its Japanese counterpart (the Altezza), the IS300 is known as an easy and predictable drifter. If one values that handling option, the IS300 is probably the better choice.

The IS300 shares many parts with Toyota's sports/sporty offerings in Japan, which in turn is supported by Japanese aftermarket parts manufacturers. Of course the 3-series has its own cadre of aftermarket parts, but for the most part the selection is less varied and the costs are high. For example, just in terms of IS300/Altezza coilover shocks I can name 5 models/brands for sport/track duty. There are more models/brands that are track only, street performance, comfort spec, etc. The market prices run between $1600-$1000. If you're the kind into body kits, the selection that can be made to fit the IS300 boggles the mind.

Finally, the 2JZ-GE of the IS300 is a block that is eminently suitable for FI, should you need significantly more power. Turbo kits and supercharger kits are already available, and in early next year, a factory-warrantied (TRD) supercharger will be available.

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moomaster_99

Do you know why the BMW 3-series outsells the IS300? First off, it includes every car sold in the 3-series class....from the lowly 325 to the mighty M3. So, that is 3 models v. 1 model. Second, have you ever noticed who drives BMW 3-series??? People who are enarmored by the status that comes with driving a BMW. They don't care how it handles, drives or even if it's dirty!!! It's a BMW! You ever notice how many people don't pay for the HIDs? Or the Euro Sport Package? Without those items...how can you compare it to an IS300...which, BTW, handles almost as well as the M3..and far outstrips the other 3s, even with their Sport Package.

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Weapon-R Dragon Filter with Cold Air Funnel and Ram Air Attachment
Weapon-R Coil-Overs
Koni Adjustable Struts
Comptech Sway Bars
Comptech Headers
14.698 @95.977mph....Sears Point Raceway.I think I need a Level 10 Torque Converter!!
Yes, I know I'm going to hell for wasting gas on Civics....
My Peoples

Beltfed

I would get an IS300 over a 330Ci, just for the fact that if it isn't an M3....why bother getting the lesser car (this is just me).

Also, one can lease an IS300 loaded-sticker is like $34,600....for like $435/month, 36months, 12k/year, tag & tags up front, no cap red.

For that $, I would rather put some performance mods into the IS300 (yes, even a lease)....than pay $600/month for a 330Ci Sport package car.

Now that the IS, is getting even sportier.....I see no reason to get a 330, have had BMW's before- they are great, but wouldn't miss a 330.

I don't think the BMW is overpriced either, its a personal thing.

Beltfed
01 CL-S
00 Viper GTS

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DtEW

The 328i/330i is completely outsold by the IS300 ever since its introduction, except for the economic downturn months of January & February 2001. Sales returned to an all-time high in March (I'm having trouble finding that particular document, but rest assured, it exists.):

http://www.ai-online.com/stats/December00Sales/bmw.htm
http://www.ai-online.com/stats/Decem...ales/lexus.htm

The only "successful" car amongst the 3-series is the bargain-basement 323i/325i.




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someguy

The BMW link does not mention 330s or 325s. You also neglect the fact that June 2000, when the IS went into production also happens to be when 330s started production (325 started in September). We also shouldn't ignore the fact that Lexus priced the car between the 323/328 or 325/330, therefore in terms of price, it can be considered a competetor to both BMW models. With a price of 34K, it competes with base 330s and loaded 325s.

DtEW

You should write in to the website for them to make that distinction, because other sources that I have explored when I was researching that fact a few months ago basically confirmed that they lumped the 330i/325i sales into the 328i/323i categories.

Secondly, you really don't have much of a basis to critique my source because you have yet to offer a single source of your own to support your hyperbole. Attacking a source that contradicts your yet-to-be-supported assertion doesn't confer your assertion with any more legitimacy.

So just because it costs less means that we should compare it to a lesser car, instead of the car with the most similar specs?

We also shouldn't ignore the fact that the IS300 features the displacement (and hence more comparable torque and hp) of the 330i and performs much closer to the 330i automatic than the 325i automatic. We also must not forget that just about all automotive journals (except the self-admittedly flawed C&D comparo) have compared the IS300 to 330i.

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GoldTypeS_RENAMED

I'm open to hearing the gory details on this scenario!!

Give me a break, soopa... "barely any money" is $500, maybe $1000. Tell me how to make a 500hp IS for $1000 on top of the price of the car and I'll trade my CL-S in RIGHT NOW!

You need a turbo kit at $4K+ to get that kind of power out of the IS.

Congrats... you get the exaggeration award of the day.

someguy

The IS300 is a sports sedan, as are the 325/330s. Lexus priced the car so that it falls priced near a well-equipped 325, but in displacement it is near the 330. Performance wise, it was built to compete with the now discontinued 328. Even with less displacement, the 328 auto is a equal or better performer. The only test that I have seen of a 328 auto was the Motor Trend test of the 328Ci vs CL-S. It ran on Continental All-Season tires to a time of 7.1 to 60, same as the factory IS time and R&T time, which is equipped with performance tires. Bun R&T is the only magazine that I have seen that is able to get 7.1, C&D got 7.6. BMW rates the 325 auto as 8.1 to 60, which is most likely a little high, as BMW tends to do. In performace the IS is between the BMW models, it avoids direct competiton. I believe that when consumers search for a car, they will compare the IS to both BMW models, but tending to the 325. I do not think that the comparion in Car and Driver was unfair.

DtEW

I've test-flogged an automatic 323i, and I can tell you that calling it a sport sedan is stretching the term to its limits. It is a sport sedan, but barely so.

A non sequiter. Is lower traction that results in wheelspin a problem in any of these cars? I can tell you that my IS launches better on slightly damp ground because it avoids bogging before the torque peak. Find data/conduct a controlled test w/a 328i equipped w/summer tires and there might be some semblence of a point.

I can't begin to fathom how you may think so, but C&D themselves admitted it in the comparo itself. It was supposed to be a performance comparison of realistically-equipped (and hence weighed-down) examples. What they got from BMW was a lightweight stripper with a manual transmission. A "fair" comparison would be between realistically-equipped IS300's and automatic 325i's. Another "fair" comparison would be between lightweight stripper IS300M's and manual 325i's. I will go out on a limb and predict that the IS300 will trounce the 325i in both cases.

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soopa

Woohoo! Thx... now I can sleep at night

Fair enough. I exaggerate.

Anyway... Im not saying I like the IS better then the 3-series...

I love the 3-series... the quality is unmatchable... BUT... I just cant afford (nor would I justify) the 40k price of a 3-series unless its an M3. Otherwise I would be pimpin one right now.

lol.

If the IS was 40k I would laugh at it... shit I almost laugh now because they dare price it over 30k.

The IS should never break 32k IMO.

I just wanted to clear up my feelings about the car(s).

I just think that the new IS is finally worth being called competition to any CLS or 3-series. Being that it now gets a stick and some bare-bones luxury features.

Anyway, yea... even if i exaggerate you know it doesnt take much to make a fast f-in IS... especially if it has a stick. Im just sayin though... we always use the argument that you can modify a CLS to make it take on whatever for less.

You can modify an IS to whip many cars for alot less too.

Well... original point was... I like the '02 IS. If I was shopping again it would make my list this time. Maybe I'm just a sucker for the "Absolute Red" paint and the sexy lil Lip Spoiler.

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[This message has been edited by soopa (edited 06-22-2001).]

someguy

The other cars in that test were manual, why whasn't the Lexus? Becuase Lexus made a big mistake for not offering a manual in the first year. If it had one, it would have a much better chance of winning, and probably would. But Lexus was handicapped by thier own decision, the IS lost that test because it deserved to. The IS lost to the 325 becuase of the Transmission and terrible interior. I'm glad that Lexus finally chose to compete fully in the US market against BMW.

thholr

2 door is coming in 2003 I think I saw pics of it . Sweet looking car, but Cl-S is way better deal and is faster and more standard features.


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non nav.
Neuspeed strut

kuwolde

I like the CL-S, IS300, and the 3 Series BMWs so there.
I just love the arguements we have here sometimes.

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"Sometimes you're the dog, sometimes you're the hydrant."

JZ

First off--every time I see someone driving an IS300 they look like they are packed into that car and it looks like a toy--very small.

Second, talk about having pissed off first generation owners!!! Dif they put out hte IS300 as a joke in 2001? Let's see, the new one gets bigger wheels, a spoiler, a manual, navigation, an armrest and leather?

If I were a first generation owner with all of the crap that has gone wrong with that car I would be seriously pissed at Lexus.

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Polarg M6 road lamps
Solaris Hi beams
Potenza RE730 225/45/17
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