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Old Feb 18, 2002 | 02:33 PM
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I just did my dyno run

Not bad at all...

Max power=226.2
Max Torque=211.7

Im happy.
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Old Feb 18, 2002 | 02:48 PM
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nice numbers

time to update your ride's picx...me wanna see the body kit
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Old Feb 18, 2002 | 02:52 PM
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Could you post a dyno? how much did you pay for the dyno run?

Again, I do not think we will ever see again a CLS with just CAI and headers dynoed at 236HP ( like Mike's CLS)

Who knows....
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Old Feb 18, 2002 | 02:53 PM
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Re: I just did my dyno run

Awesome bro. Come with me next week when I dyno mine.
Originally posted by Crazy AcurA
Not bad at all...

Max power=226.2
Max Torque=211.7

Im happy.
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Old Feb 18, 2002 | 02:54 PM
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but,his torque numbers are exceptional...
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Old Feb 18, 2002 | 03:00 PM
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Torque numbers should be observed between 3,000 rpms and 7,200 rpms
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Old Feb 18, 2002 | 03:10 PM
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Re: I just did my dyno run

Originally posted by Crazy AcurA
Not bad at all...

Max power=226.2
Max Torque=211.7

Im happy.
At what rpm point did these peak numbers come at?
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Old Feb 18, 2002 | 03:21 PM
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I need to get mine dynoed now...
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Old Feb 18, 2002 | 04:03 PM
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well my torque is wrong, as sprioh saw my sheet. Look how they started off... Screwed it up.
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Old Feb 18, 2002 | 09:47 PM
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ok let me get this right.... stock hp to the wheel is 200hp, and thats 23% less from the crank (260)... So if i have 227hp to the wheels, then does that mean i only have 279hp to the crank


So how the hell does comptech say they get 30hp from their headers alone??
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Old Feb 18, 2002 | 09:50 PM
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Crazy AcurA, yeah, I think the dyno guys need to remember to not include the spike at the start of the graph


As a note, it would be "useful" if you could get a "flatbed scan" of your graph. Perhaps someone would "host" it for you too (better than attaching at 640x480 (IMO)).

It is also hard to see the rpm grid (and no rpm numbers are shown)... Your hp curve looks flatter than "usual" at the top, and the normal torque bump at around 6K is not there...

Since you have the pulleys, CAI, headers, and the rest of the goodies, it would make for a nice addition (if you can find a "scan helper and host")

The more dynos we have around here the better!
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Old Feb 18, 2002 | 09:54 PM
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I will have it scanned tommorrow for you.
I want to get some more runs in soon.
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Old Feb 18, 2002 | 09:55 PM
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Originally posted by Crazy AcurA
ok let me get this right.... stock hp to the wheel is 200hp, and thats 23% less from the crank (260)... So if i have 227hp to the wheels, then does that mean i only have 279hp to the crank


So how the hell does comptech say they get 30hp from their headers alone??
you did the math wrong,

assuming 23% loss you are making 295 at the crank.
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Old Feb 18, 2002 | 10:00 PM
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you did the math wrong,

assuming 23% loss you are making 295 at the crank.
Damn, i hope no one saw my mistake..
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Old Feb 18, 2002 | 10:12 PM
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Eric does this look better.. if ya need i will see scan it tommorrow...

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Old Feb 18, 2002 | 10:14 PM
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my stock run was about 183ft/lbs and 204HP....
I haven't dyno'd with my goodies yet, that should happen this week or next tho
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Old Feb 18, 2002 | 10:16 PM
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Originally posted by Crazy AcurA
ok let me get this right.... stock hp to the wheel is 200hp, and thats 23% less from the crank (260)... So if i have 227hp to the wheels, then does that mean i only have 279hp to the crank


So how the hell does comptech say they get 30hp from their headers alone??

1. If you made 200HP (without any mods -- and a lot of CLS models made only 200HP at the front wheels dead stock), you could "just round up" as follows:

230 / 200 is a 15% gain (I rounded up -- oh, yes). The 260 HP at the crank would become 260 * 1.15. Using “do-it-in-my-head-math” as follows:

260 + 26 (10% of 260) + 13 (5% of 260) = 299HP (I've read one too many "do math in your head" books... )


Now, Comptech's data is "worded" in a way that makes for some confusion.

The PEAK/MAX/HIGHEST output of their headers is to the front wheels is: 232
The PEAK/MAX/HIGHEST output of their stock CLS to the front wheels is: 208

232 - 208 = 24 HP gain.

Now (most of the CLS dynos) only report around 200HP to the front wheels. So, 200 + 24 = 224 HP!

IMO, that 32HP figure causes nothing but confusion and does more harm than good. They are just finding a place on the curve where the difference is the greatest between the stock and header equipped vehicle -- the info is marketing hype...
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Old Feb 18, 2002 | 10:23 PM
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Originally posted by Crazy AcurA
Eric does this look better.. if ya need i will see scan it tommorrow...


That explains it -- with the RPMs shown, I had no idea that the RPMs started at 4600 RPM.

The torque peak is near 6K (which is as it should be) and the best part looks to be your flat HP "peak" from 6K up, seems to be the result of the "wide" scaling that was used. But it looks good!
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Old Feb 18, 2002 | 11:24 PM
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stock my baseline hp was 196, and now with all my mods I'm at 226.
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Old Feb 19, 2002 | 02:18 AM
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have u guys ever considered getting a engine management unit like the UNICHIP or AEM EMS? It might help A LOT.


A few Accord V6ers just got dyno'd, V6MoMoney(he has all the bolt on mods, ie. i/h/e/pulley/plugs) has the UNICHIP and just had it tuned and had 210hp to the wheels. Not sure on the torque number just yet, he didnt post it.

And another of our members, 30V6200HP just ran 205HP without any Timing adjustments. I'd expect him to be around 210-215whp after timing adjustments to use 91octane gas.
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Old Feb 19, 2002 | 09:30 AM
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Crazy Acura,

Find yourself another dyno shop, Why your dyno starts at 4800 rpms.. That is BS.... What gear did they use? It should be the 3rd in SS.

And finally as Eric mentioned... What is this crapy scale...?
Why you need to plot a vertical scale from 0-225 HP:sqnteek: ...

you need only the 150-250 range..

Did you get the dyno run data on a floppy disk.. if so you can download Dyno software and replot the data.
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Old Feb 19, 2002 | 10:07 AM
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Do you have any more details on the UNICHIP? How much is it? Can it work on the CL-S?
Originally posted by frank828
have u guys ever considered getting a engine management unit like the UNICHIP or AEM EMS? It might help A LOT.


A few Accord V6ers just got dyno'd, V6MoMoney(he has all the bolt on mods, ie. i/h/e/pulley/plugs) has the UNICHIP and just had it tuned and had 210hp to the wheels. Not sure on the torque number just yet, he didnt post it.

And another of our members, 30V6200HP just ran 205HP without any Timing adjustments. I'd expect him to be around 210-215whp after timing adjustments to use 91octane gas.
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Old Feb 19, 2002 | 10:12 AM
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Ok, I'm going to the v6accord board and get more info on this chip. It seems it only costs $500.
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Old Feb 19, 2002 | 10:13 AM
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Crazy Acura,...Is your IMRC actuator working ?

If you had a dyno run from 3000 to 7200 we could have if it is working or not...
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Old Feb 19, 2002 | 10:28 AM
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I'm sure the actuator is working fine. If it wasnt that would mean Johntypes, acura crazy and me would have imrc problems.

Originally posted by Nashua_Night_Hawk
Crazy Acura,...Is your IMRC actuator working ?

If you had a dyno run from 3000 to 7200 we could have if it is working or not...
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Old Feb 19, 2002 | 10:47 AM
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Have been posting about Unichip for some time and no responds!
Comptech will test it at their factory so if someone from SAC would call them they would also get a cheaper price. Unichip is made by Racers Edge at Sears Point. On high power engines have seen up to 60hp. It works with our ECM remapping fuel, timing, at custom intervals throughout RPM range and will work even better with Superchargers and Turbos to optimize power!
I wonder if anyone will follow up on this potential potent mod?!
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Old Feb 19, 2002 | 10:52 AM
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OK I just called the racers group. They do have an application for our car at the moment, but it can only do air/fuel adjustments. He told me in about 3 months when the new updated unichip comes out it will be able to do more. This includes rev limits/removing governor/tranny shifts/air-fuel. One thing they are not certain about is the timing adjustments. More R&D is needed to find out more info about timing adjustments. I would love to have an ECU mod available to us.

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Have been posting about Unichip for some time and no responds!
Comptech will test it at their factory so if someone from SAC would call them they would also get a cheaper price. Unichip is made by Racers Edge at Sears Point. On high power engines have seen up to 60hp. It works with our ECM remapping fuel, timing, at custom intervals throughout RPM range and will work even better with Superchargers and Turbos to optimize power!
I wonder if anyone will follow up on this potential potent mod?!
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Old Feb 19, 2002 | 11:06 AM
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Spiro, good going man. Again someone should try and contact Comptech cause they also carry the Unichip and will test it on our cars to help in the R&D plus give a good price, at least thats what
Comptech emailed me! If we fellow CL-S owner can be patient there are a number of mods that are being R&D'd! It's only a matter of time! Patience everyone!
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Old Feb 19, 2002 | 09:16 PM
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you guys should email or message V6MoMoney on Accordv6.com

he has a lot more info about the UNIchip and its capabilities.

btw its like 400-500 for the chip then u need an authorized dealer to do the install and tuning, which will cost an additional 400-500.
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Old Feb 19, 2002 | 09:20 PM
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Finally......some concrete numbers!!!!!!!
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Old Feb 19, 2002 | 09:45 PM
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Am I the only one that thinks using a 23% drivetrain loss is a bit high?
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Old Feb 19, 2002 | 11:02 PM
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Am I the only one that thinks using a 23% drivetrain loss is a bit high?
It depends on the slush box... The figure runs from 20% to 23% (based on the factory's crank output of 260HP and the various "stock" outputs from 196 to 208HP at the front wheels).

This transmission is only running through the torque converter and through a single 3rd gear set to the output gear and differential (at least for '3rd' gear dyno tests). The loss is going to be comprised of "fixed" (ATF pumping losses) and linear and non-linear losses from oil-shear and other losses. I would be a little hesitant about "labeling" this box with a 23% loss (without caveats). There is also the possibility that some of the CLS and TLS cars are putting out +/-5% of factory rated crank output (depending on temperature, break-in, production variances, and other factors)...
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Old Feb 20, 2002 | 09:42 AM
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Originally posted by EricL


It depends on the slush box... The figure runs from 20% to 23% (based on the factory's crank output of 260HP and the various "stock" outputs from 196 to 208HP at the front wheels).

This transmission is only running through the torque converter and through a single 3rd gear set to the output gear and differential (at least for '3rd' gear dyno tests). The loss is going to be comprised of "fixed" (ATF pumping losses) and linear and non-linear losses from oil-shear and other losses. I would be a little hesitant about "labeling" this box with a 23% loss (without caveats). There is also the possibility that some of the CLS and TLS cars are putting out +/-5% of factory rated crank output (depending on temperature, break-in, production variances, and other factors)...
Well, stated...
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