I Called Doug (SynCivic) today part III
03-12-2002, 05:15 PM
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I Called Doug (SynCivic) today part III
ok guys,and gals(if any), here's the latest...Nashau try to follow along 
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the casting process for RES has been abandoned...doug could not achieve consistant quality...the unit is now Being made using CNC machining process ,and will come in colors...i assume red,blue and polished...he will have a test unit with pics hopefully, by the end of the month...it will be engraved on the top...im sure it will say RES ...the cost should only increase alittle something in the neighbor hood of 350$$$-375...
MMII...is electronic..it works in a way that fools the ecu into certain scenerios that maximize HP.... though doug isnt sure the two mods hp's will cummulitive, he suspects they will be...MMII will sell for around 1/3 the cost of RES, so he wants to delay its release, so as not to effect the sales of RES...I told him...he should do a package deal...i think everyone will want both for under 500$$...he still needs cold weather testing on MMII ...he said he needed to get it into the hands of some of the canadian members before it gets too late...Astro's down here right now...
when he gets his test peices available( im hoping to be one of the initial testers)I volunteered my nitto 555R drag radials(245/45/17)...he wants to run one of his 3.5's into the 13's then add res and MMII...i should also have a res at that point, and hopfully beable to plug in his MMII and get some time slips for a more typical type S...H/I/RES/MMII...i too expect 13's with this setup...probablly very high 13's ill bet dougs gonna manage a 13.4...oh ill have toyo T1-S 235/45 for this run...i hope TIM (snook will be there too!!!!) maye a couple other members can come..or we can make it a full on south florida meet...
on a side note Transmission related doug says the failures are related to and undersized bearing in the differential that may fail may...new transmissons receive bearings that went through a better hardening process...he honestly believes that though honda cant draw alot of attention to this,that they will take car e of yuo IF needed I mean take care,...60-70-80 K miles but the cost to do a TSB and the amount of people that would come out of the wood work could really hurt them...
HLSD may fit the auto and if so i think,and i think doug agrees it would be a great upgrade...
.the casting process for RES has been abandoned...doug could not achieve consistant quality...the unit is now Being made using CNC machining process ,and will come in colors...i assume red,blue and polished...he will have a test unit with pics hopefully, by the end of the month...it will be engraved on the top...im sure it will say RES ...the cost should only increase alittle something in the neighbor hood of 350$$$-375...
MMII...is electronic..it works in a way that fools the ecu into certain scenerios that maximize HP.... though doug isnt sure the two mods hp's will cummulitive, he suspects they will be...MMII will sell for around 1/3 the cost of RES, so he wants to delay its release, so as not to effect the sales of RES...I told him...he should do a package deal...i think everyone will want both for under 500$$...he still needs cold weather testing on MMII ...he said he needed to get it into the hands of some of the canadian members before it gets too late...Astro's down here right now...
when he gets his test peices available( im hoping to be one of the initial testers)I volunteered my nitto 555R drag radials(245/45/17)...he wants to run one of his 3.5's into the 13's then add res and MMII...i should also have a res at that point, and hopfully beable to plug in his MMII and get some time slips for a more typical type S...H/I/RES/MMII...i too expect 13's with this setup...probablly very high 13's ill bet dougs gonna manage a 13.4...oh ill have toyo T1-S 235/45 for this run...i hope TIM (snook will be there too!!!!) maye a couple other members can come..or we can make it a full on south florida meet...
on a side note Transmission related doug says the failures are related to and undersized bearing in the differential that may fail may...new transmissons receive bearings that went through a better hardening process...he honestly believes that though honda cant draw alot of attention to this,that they will take car e of yuo IF needed I mean take care,...60-70-80 K miles but the cost to do a TSB and the amount of people that would come out of the wood work could really hurt them...
HLSD may fit the auto and if so i think,and i think doug agrees it would be a great upgrade...
03-12-2002, 05:21 PM
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The most encouraging news I have have heard about the RES and MM-II in a long time
$375 is not too much for 15 WHP and 15 lbf of torque.
and the $100 MM-II is a killer too!
I feel better now that by April 6th, I will be on the strip with RES bolted.
I am switching to the Nittos in a 1-2 weeks.
$375 is not too much for 15 WHP and 15 lbf of torque.
and the $100 MM-II is a killer too!
I feel better now that by April 6th, I will be on the strip with RES bolted.
I am switching to the Nittos in a 1-2 weeks.
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03-12-2002, 06:22 PM
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The transmission info sounds like BS - if the rebuilt ones fix the problem, why do so many people with a 2nd tranny blow that one too? My guess is because whatever is wrong with it isn't fixed or isn't fixed properly.
(Look at how many people have had problems with their 2nd tranny already... there's at least a handful that are on their 3rd and more that say they hear the same problem developing that killed their first. That's sad considering it's supposedly rebuilt and all. There should be NO failures of the new/rebuilt tranny, or maybe ONE out of the few dozen that have been replaced here on the forums. Figure 50 people here have had them replaced and there are at least 5 people who have problems with their second one. That's a SHITTY ratio. But I'm not interested in arguing that fact, I'm just pointing it out. Next point...)
I have no intention of buying the MM2 ever since I learned that it is an ECU-type mod. I don't want any mods that affect my car like that, more-so because our car already has a tranny problem and I don't want to dick with the engine timing, etc, and develop an engine or tranny problem related to that, so a package deal would be of no incentive to me.
I do still want an RES.
Just my $.02.
(Look at how many people have had problems with their 2nd tranny already... there's at least a handful that are on their 3rd and more that say they hear the same problem developing that killed their first. That's sad considering it's supposedly rebuilt and all. There should be NO failures of the new/rebuilt tranny, or maybe ONE out of the few dozen that have been replaced here on the forums. Figure 50 people here have had them replaced and there are at least 5 people who have problems with their second one. That's a SHITTY ratio. But I'm not interested in arguing that fact, I'm just pointing it out. Next point...)
I have no intention of buying the MM2 ever since I learned that it is an ECU-type mod. I don't want any mods that affect my car like that, more-so because our car already has a tranny problem and I don't want to dick with the engine timing, etc, and develop an engine or tranny problem related to that, so a package deal would be of no incentive to me.
I do still want an RES.
Just my $.02.
03-12-2002, 06:44 PM
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Im sure the MMII can be removed pretty easily. If my car goes, I want it to go out in style
Originally posted by JRock
The transmission info sounds like BS - if the rebuilt ones fix the problem, why do so many people with a 2nd tranny blow that one too? My guess is because whatever is wrong with it isn't fixed or isn't fixed properly.
(Look at how many people have had problems with their 2nd tranny already... there's at least a handful that are on their 3rd and more that say they hear the same problem developing that killed their first. That's sad considering it's supposedly rebuilt and all. There should be NO failures of the new/rebuilt tranny, or maybe ONE out of the few dozen that have been replaced here on the forums. Figure 50 people here have had them replaced and there are at least 5 people who have problems with their second one. That's a SHITTY ratio. But I'm not interested in arguing that fact, I'm just pointing it out. Next point...)
I have no intention of buying the MM2 ever since I learned that it is an ECU-type mod. I don't want any mods that affect my car like that, more-so because our car already has a tranny problem and I don't want to dick with the engine timing, etc, and develop an engine or tranny problem related to that, so a package deal would be of no incentive to me.
I do still want an RES.
Just my $.02.
The transmission info sounds like BS - if the rebuilt ones fix the problem, why do so many people with a 2nd tranny blow that one too? My guess is because whatever is wrong with it isn't fixed or isn't fixed properly.
(Look at how many people have had problems with their 2nd tranny already... there's at least a handful that are on their 3rd and more that say they hear the same problem developing that killed their first. That's sad considering it's supposedly rebuilt and all. There should be NO failures of the new/rebuilt tranny, or maybe ONE out of the few dozen that have been replaced here on the forums. Figure 50 people here have had them replaced and there are at least 5 people who have problems with their second one. That's a SHITTY ratio. But I'm not interested in arguing that fact, I'm just pointing it out. Next point...)
I have no intention of buying the MM2 ever since I learned that it is an ECU-type mod. I don't want any mods that affect my car like that, more-so because our car already has a tranny problem and I don't want to dick with the engine timing, etc, and develop an engine or tranny problem related to that, so a package deal would be of no incentive to me.
I do still want an RES.
Just my $.02.
03-12-2002, 08:12 PM
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Originally posted by JRock
The transmission info sounds like BS - if the rebuilt ones fix the problem, why do so many people with a 2nd tranny blow that one too? My guess is because whatever is wrong with it isn't fixed or isn't fixed properly.
(Look at how many people have had problems with their 2nd tranny already... there's at least a handful that are on their 3rd and more that say they hear the same problem developing that killed their first. That's sad considering it's supposedly rebuilt and all. There should be NO failures of the new/rebuilt tranny, or maybe ONE out of the few dozen that have been replaced here on the forums. Figure 50 people here have had them replaced and there are at least 5 people who have problems with their second one. That's a SHITTY ratio. But I'm not interested in arguing that fact, I'm just pointing it out. Next point...)
I have no intention of buying the MM2 ever since I learned that it is an ECU-type mod. I don't want any mods that affect my car like that, more-so because our car already has a tranny problem and I don't want to dick with the engine timing, etc, and develop an engine or tranny problem related to that, so a package deal would be of no incentive to me.
I do still want an RES.
Just my $.02.
The transmission info sounds like BS - if the rebuilt ones fix the problem, why do so many people with a 2nd tranny blow that one too? My guess is because whatever is wrong with it isn't fixed or isn't fixed properly.
(Look at how many people have had problems with their 2nd tranny already... there's at least a handful that are on their 3rd and more that say they hear the same problem developing that killed their first. That's sad considering it's supposedly rebuilt and all. There should be NO failures of the new/rebuilt tranny, or maybe ONE out of the few dozen that have been replaced here on the forums. Figure 50 people here have had them replaced and there are at least 5 people who have problems with their second one. That's a SHITTY ratio. But I'm not interested in arguing that fact, I'm just pointing it out. Next point...)
I have no intention of buying the MM2 ever since I learned that it is an ECU-type mod. I don't want any mods that affect my car like that, more-so because our car already has a tranny problem and I don't want to dick with the engine timing, etc, and develop an engine or tranny problem related to that, so a package deal would be of no incentive to me.
I do still want an RES.
Just my $.02.
03-12-2002, 08:24 PM
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THe most interesting info was about the tranny. I'm going to call Acura tomorrow and see if they will agree to anything. Otherwise, I'm going to get rid of the car. I would really hate doing it because I LOVE and i mean I LOOOOOOVVVVEEEE my CLS. Just looking at her tonight walking out of the gym, she looks soooooo sexy 
But with the amount of miles that put on to the car i REFUSE to pay for what Acura fucked up.
You are telling me that Acura knows they fucked up and aren't going to put a TSB out on the tranny??!@!? That is NOT cool. If the info TypeR gave is true, then i've really lost alot of respect for Acura. There will be people on this board will make excuses for Acura but i'm sorry, there is NO excuse that Acura can tell me. They'll lose some money SO FRIGGEN WHAT!!!!! I'm sure the board of executives and CIO, CEO, CFO can go without their bonuses this year.
But with the amount of miles that put on to the car i REFUSE to pay for what Acura fucked up. You are telling me that Acura knows they fucked up and aren't going to put a TSB out on the tranny??!@!? That is NOT cool. If the info TypeR gave is true, then i've really lost alot of respect for Acura. There will be people on this board will make excuses for Acura but i'm sorry, there is NO excuse that Acura can tell me. They'll lose some money SO FRIGGEN WHAT!!!!! I'm sure the board of executives and CIO, CEO, CFO can go without their bonuses this year.
03-12-2002, 08:29 PM
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Originally posted by BBsAcuraRacing
Maybe the people with the second tranny just plain out ABUSE them on a regular basis
Our cars are not invincible....
Maybe the people with the second tranny just plain out ABUSE them on a regular basis
Our cars are not invincible....
Abuse?? What do you quantify as abuse?? Driving the car with passion? I doubt the people were brake torquing at every stop light. So what if they redlined each gear every time they drove? That would mean the engine, transmission may only last 50k miles; NOT FAIL AT 15k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The website says the car was developed with the Grand Turismo spirit and F1 this and that. If the car was not ment to be driven hard, then why advertise it that way???? Why sell the car in the first place?
I can NOT believe that people are making excuses for Acura.
03-12-2002, 08:30 PM
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Originally posted by BBsAcuraRacing
Maybe the people with the second tranny just plain out ABUSE them on a regular basis
Our cars are not invincible....
Maybe the people with the second tranny just plain out ABUSE them on a regular basis
Our cars are not invincible....
OR (take your pick)
1. They (Acura) didn't have the problem diagnosed at that time.
2. They (the dealers) didn't diagnose a problem with the computer, solenoids, and/or other related parts and never discovered the "real"/"root" cause for failures. If "you" tell the tranny to destroy itself, it will gladly comply.
3. They (Acura) are or still were putting in "underrated" or "marginal" components and/or can't tell when a part is "marginal".
4. They (Acura) are still clueless...
03-12-2002, 08:36 PM
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I think the second or third failed tranny is due to POOR FUCKING MECHANICS that don't know what they are doing ! You just don't pop it in and out ! It's intense work and shabby mechanics DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK ! 
03-12-2002, 09:23 PM
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Cost Drivers!!!!
Originally posted by Fabvsix
I think the second or third failed tranny is due to POOR FUCKING MECHANICS that don't know what they are doing ! You just don't pop it in and out ! It's intense work and shabby mechanics DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK !
I think the second or third failed tranny is due to POOR FUCKING MECHANICS that don't know what they are doing ! You just don't pop it in and out ! It's intense work and shabby mechanics DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK !
I think this might be contributing to the failures. One of the members who posted in the failure portion of the board noted that Corporate only covers 5hrs worth of labor on the transmission install. The job takes a full 8hrs. Hence, you have the dealership pressuring people to rush the job so the dealer put tech's on jobs that are making money.
03-12-2002, 10:09 PM
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Trans thread??
Damn.... How did this turn into a tranny thread???? I thought it was about RES & MMII???
Anyway, thanks for the update.... The package deal sounds good, and you send a few of those up to Chicago for some cold testing...It's in the low 30's right now..
Keep the updates coming,, we can't wait to get that bad boy!!!
Anyway, thanks for the update.... The package deal sounds good, and you send a few of those up to Chicago for some cold testing...It's in the low 30's right now..
Keep the updates coming,, we can't wait to get that bad boy!!!
03-12-2002, 10:24 PM
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...what if some of the people here had there second and third tranny go ...before honda new what the failure was...and or what the cure is...as far as MMII its your car ...but it'll plug right in and in minutes is removable...my guesstimate on what it does is just trick the ECU into advanceing spark...shouldnt be a problem....
...what if some of the people here had there second and third tranny go ...before honda new what the failure was...and or what the cure is...as far as MMII its your car ...but it'll plug right in and in minutes is removable...my guesstimate on what it does is just trick the ECU into advanceing spark...shouldnt be a problem....
I thought that can burn up a plug or something.
03-12-2002, 10:28 PM
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Re: Trans thread??
Originally posted by Dom418
Damn.... How did this turn into a tranny thread????
Damn.... How did this turn into a tranny thread????
03-13-2002, 08:04 AM
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Originally posted by frank828
any info on the Accord V6's?
And will the MMII work on the the accord v6?
any info on the Accord V6's?
And will the MMII work on the the accord v6?
03-13-2002, 08:32 AM
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Woot! Thanks for the scoop!
Tell Doug not to forget about the RES for the V6 Accords... Remember, think potential market size...
Tell Doug not to forget about the RES for the V6 Accords... Remember, think potential market size...
03-13-2002, 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by JRock
Because there's no downside to advancing spark, is there?
I thought that can burn up a plug or something.
Because there's no downside to advancing spark, is there?
I thought that can burn up a plug or something.
03-13-2002, 02:22 PM
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Oh yea, a circuit diagram to do this should be available next week. You'll just need a few of the below on a bread board with a few specific valued resistors. Depending on how the car reacts a simple Op-Amp may be needed but more on that after it is tested.
There are 5VDC source from the PCM, just use these modified with certain resistors and use the throttle position signal to trigger the below multiplexer ICs to switch from the normal to the modified signal.
This way there is no changes to signals when at part throttle allowing for normal operation. But at WOT the signals are changed causing the PCM to advance timing and correcting for this.
http://products.analog.com/products/...product=AD8180
There are 5VDC source from the PCM, just use these modified with certain resistors and use the throttle position signal to trigger the below multiplexer ICs to switch from the normal to the modified signal.
This way there is no changes to signals when at part throttle allowing for normal operation. But at WOT the signals are changed causing the PCM to advance timing and correcting for this.
http://products.analog.com/products/...product=AD8180
03-13-2002, 09:15 PM
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Me too...
Originally posted by fast_daddy_car
how has the RES done in cold testing? Or is it advisable to swap in the factory cover for the winter???
how has the RES done in cold testing? Or is it advisable to swap in the factory cover for the winter???
You read my mind -- thanks!
I'd really like to see a dyno done at 30-50 degrees F (vs. that old one with the temps hovering around 90+ F)
03-13-2002, 09:43 PM
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Re: Me too...
Originally posted by EricL
You read my mind -- thanks! I'd really like to see a dyno done at 30-50 degrees F (vs. that old one with the temps hovering around 90+ F)
You read my mind -- thanks!
I'd really like to see a dyno done at 30-50 degrees F (vs. that old one with the temps hovering around 90+ F)
Now the other aspect of the fooling the PCM. There are only a few signals to be used to 'fool' the PCM. So there is a finite amount of adjustments. This is the paradox, fooling the PCM may result in more power but depending on the ambient conditions that increase will vary.
03-15-2002, 01:21 AM
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as far as MMII its your car ...but it'll plug right in and in minutes is removable...my guesstimate on what it does is just trick the ECU into advanceing spark...shouldnt be a problem....
MAKES ME THINK:
One easy way to do this is with a puffer box.
It's a little box that you can build out of radio trash parts for about $5. Basically you hook it up to the intake temperature sensor, or rather splice it between the intake sensor and the wire going back to the computer. On the puffer box, is a switch, OFF/ON, On off, the sensor continues to pass the temperature in the off mode, switch it to ON mode, and now you can dial in a temperature you want. This basically will tell the computer that the air is what temperature that you set. The computer will compensate, and you can advance timing this way. On Rustangs, this was good for about 4hp/4torque. I think the
amount of horsepower can vary from car to car, depending on how much the car changes the timing for the temperature.
Oh yeah, they are super easy to build, any numb nuts can put one together.
If anyone wants I can find the schematics and more info on Puffer Boxes.
as far as MMII its your car ...but it'll plug right in and in minutes is removable...my guesstimate on what it does is just trick the ECU into advanceing spark...shouldnt be a problem....
MAKES ME THINK:
One easy way to do this is with a puffer box.
It's a little box that you can build out of radio trash parts for about $5. Basically you hook it up to the intake temperature sensor, or rather splice it between the intake sensor and the wire going back to the computer. On the puffer box, is a switch, OFF/ON, On off, the sensor continues to pass the temperature in the off mode, switch it to ON mode, and now you can dial in a temperature you want. This basically will tell the computer that the air is what temperature that you set. The computer will compensate, and you can advance timing this way. On Rustangs, this was good for about 4hp/4torque. I think theamount of horsepower can vary from car to car, depending on how much the car changes the timing for the temperature.
Oh yeah, they are super easy to build, any numb nuts can put one together.
If anyone wants I can find the schematics and more info on Puffer Boxes.
03-15-2002, 06:47 AM
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The problem here is that we have a speed density system so that changing the intake temperature readings will also affect the fueling significantly. Also, if you constantly modify the IAT reading, and subsequently the fueling, your base fuel trim values will be adjusted and do who knows what for upper end fueling needs (+ or -).
The ECT has a significant role in setting the timing, which is where I feel and changes will come in. This It has less to do with load calculations and more to do with ignition timing. Plus, our termperature sensors are voltage supplied so that the signal decreases as the temperature increases, the opposite of what you could modify with resistors. You would really need an Op-Amp.
The ECT has a significant role in setting the timing, which is where I feel and changes will come in. This It has less to do with load calculations and more to do with ignition timing. Plus, our termperature sensors are voltage supplied so that the signal decreases as the temperature increases, the opposite of what you could modify with resistors. You would really need an Op-Amp.
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Speaking of Tranny: Scalbert, did you ever get the Details on your Transmission Cooler Install for us ???
Originally posted by scalbert
Oh yea, a circuit diagram to do this should be available next week. You'll just need a few of the below on a bread board with a few specific valued resistors. Depending on how the car reacts a simple Op-Amp may be needed but more on that after it is tested.
There are 5VDC source from the PCM, just use these modified with certain resistors and use the throttle position signal to trigger the below multiplexer ICs to switch from the normal to the modified signal.
This way there is no changes to signals when at part throttle allowing for normal operation. But at WOT the signals are changed causing the PCM to advance timing and correcting for this.
http://products.analog.com/products/...product=AD8180
Oh yea, a circuit diagram to do this should be available next week. You'll just need a few of the below on a bread board with a few specific valued resistors. Depending on how the car reacts a simple Op-Amp may be needed but more on that after it is tested.
There are 5VDC source from the PCM, just use these modified with certain resistors and use the throttle position signal to trigger the below multiplexer ICs to switch from the normal to the modified signal.
This way there is no changes to signals when at part throttle allowing for normal operation. But at WOT the signals are changed causing the PCM to advance timing and correcting for this.
http://products.analog.com/products/...product=AD8180
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Originally posted by caddy
Speaking of Tranny: Scalbert, did you ever get the Details on your Transmission Cooler Install for us ???
Speaking of Tranny: Scalbert, did you ever get the Details on your Transmission Cooler Install for us ???
Trans Cooler Install
Oh also, when I can find my IR Pyrometer I'll capture a few external temperature readings. But from the initial feel the fluid is getting hot. You cannot touch the cooler after driving the vehicle without serious burning your self.
If the cooler gets this hot then I would figure the fluid temps are getting over the 240 mark...
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