Here is why:

"Nissan's Infiniti division is betting on some big growth of its own thanks to the updated and upgraded I35. The old I30's engine has been replaced with a new 3.5-liter V-6 pumping out 260 hp and 246 lb-ft of torque. The look of the sedan has been updated, borrowing some of the design cues of Infiniti's all-new flagship, the Q45. Long cast in the shadow of European luxury brands'as well as Japanese rival Lexus, Infiniti's sales have been on an upswing, and last year, exceeded 78,000 for the first time since the brand was launched in 1989."

Nissan is for real here. A lot of power for all their cars. They can use this engine and make it make sense from an economic perspective mainly because it is the one from the Q4 and the Pathfinder and will be used from the Z car as well. Economies of scale.

The main issue here for Acura is the 246 pounds of torque which will come in a much cheaper way from massaging the existing 3,5 liter engine from the MDX rather than massaging the existing engine J32A2. I am guessing no more than a 2 years for this. What do you guys think?

And for those that will be quick to say that the CL and the I35 are not direct competitors, you are right but for Acura, the TL and CL are sharing the same engines and it is that way due to more logical economics. So the CL might get this bump because the TL will.

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Gabriel
CL Type S

well, the accord is due for a change in a year, so that means that the tl/cl will be changed shortly after...and what's a change without a power boost?

honda/acura sucks in that they dont' say anything, but honda/acura are cool 'cuz...well, they don't say anything.

Well according to motortrend the MDX is going to get a jump to a 3.8L engine in a year or two. This is the same time that Honda will dump the passport for a scaled down version of the MDX, sold as a honda.

At this point, I could see a logical step up for the CL/TL to the existing 3.5L engine. This would yield HP and toque numbers for the CL/TL of around 240 HP and 230 lbs torque for the Premium models, and roughly 270-275 HP and 250 lbs torque for the Tpye S models.

Just my thoughts on the subject!

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2001 CL-P Emerald/Parchment

while they're at it, just throw in the awd from the mdx too.

surprises are good.

But would it be any faster? I saw a MDX last week and the redline was only about 6000. Ours is 6900. What good is a little more HP and torque if you have to shift it a lot earlier?

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2001 Silver 3.2CL Type S with Spoiler and Navi

Well, it wouldn't have to be the exact specs of the MDX model, realize that the Type S engine is the same block as the CL-P but produces higher HP numbers. The blocks can be modded by the factory. Also, the MDX is not a sports car. Therefore, it's engine is designed for low-end torque needed for off road, not high end v-tech revs. The engine could certainly be adjusted for a sports car. Acura could get it up to 7500 or higher if they really wanted to.

John



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Hp and torque numbers would not be the same in the CL/TL even if it was using the 3.5L from the MDX. The engine would be tuned for the CL/TL, they would raise the redline and tune the engines to make the HP higher in the band.

The exact same engine (I mean block and heads)can be tuned differently to produce a combination of HP and torque that best suits the car (or SUV)it is in.

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2001 CL-P Emerald/Parchment

To be sexy CLS and has "potentials" for sales numbers, It should have the sexy 300 number.

I was fascinated by the GS400 having 300HP.

275 lb.ft of toruque does not hurt too

Acura can easily do that, right ?

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I think I would want Acura to play around and learn a bit more about AWD, you know do a little refining and a bit more sports type testing before I would be interested in AWD from honda.

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granted i agree somewhat about the awd, but that's worrying a little too much. if it was something more advanced like vtec, then i'd be more inclined to be worried, but it's only awd, everyone's doing it...it'll make you feel good good good good.

no one said they were worried about acura's awd on the mdx...they should be even less worried for awd cars developed after the mdx.

Has anyone test drove the MDX? What was the pull like? If so could you feel the difference in torque? This is a very interesting subject. Will the increased torque and 3.5L engine evolve in the future cL/tL?

Does the MDX even have a VTEC system in it?

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Here this, the new 2002 Odessy would have a 3.5L 5-sp Auto 250HP!!!

Source: www.vtech.net

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- 3M clear bra, by Stonguard (full front bumper, and side mirrors, and partial hood)
- Acura Spoiler, Moonroof visor
- Splash guards, Winter mats, Trunk liner
- Valentine V1 Radar Locator
- HELMS Service Manual
- PIAA 19169 road lamps
- 03/19/01: Injen Polished CAI
- 04/13/01: 235/40/18 NITTO 555 on 18x7.5, +45 offset, Koing Imagine in Silver with wheels locks

Yes it does have Vtec. This is a good question because intially Acura engineers were debating big time about the existance of the VTEC in that engine. Then they decided to include it. Which is even more evidence that they might have decided THEN that since this new engine will be ending up to the CL/TL bodies, VTEC would be almost necesary. Of course by then, iVtec would be the norm.

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Gabriel
CL Type S

That's right. I agree. I wonder if the new gen Accord ends up with the J32A1 engine from the CLP/TL. Hmmm..

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Gabriel
CL Type S

Interesting. That makes more sense. The MDX needs more torque.


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Gabriel
CL Type S

[This message has been edited by gavriil (edited 04-17-2001).]

I dont understand what you mean here. If one engine makes 200 HP at 4500 rpm and another at 5500 they are both making the same power. With the same bodies on, on the track, on the straight line, they should be equally fast.

More on this later...

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Gabriel
CL Type S

I agree with everything except one thing. There is no need for modifications on the blocks to make more HP. If 2 engines have the same displacement, like the engine from the MDX, and Acura wanted to pass that engine to the TLS/CLS, the modifications be related to accessories, the head, pistons, mapping of the ECU, etc. Or some of the above. The block would be left alone.

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Gabriel
CL Type S

That is right. That is what I meant by "massaging" the engine before applying it to the CL/TL.



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Gabriel
CL Type S

300 HP is much more easier attained than 275 lb-ft of torque from a 3.5 liter engine. And it is close to impossible to be attained from our 3.2 liter engine (using economics that are sensible for the price range of the car).

Note that 275 pounds of torque at 6000 rpm is 314 HP. Making 86 lb-ft of torque per liter is very hard in the NA world.


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Gabriel
CL Type S

I test drove the MDX twice. The pull was like crap to me cos I just got out of my CLS and got into an SUV. Dont forget that the MDX is a lot heavier than our cars. So although the engine makes more torque, it feels and is much slower than our cars everywhere in the rpm range. It really needs that 300cc bump that is rumored above. I estimate that it would give it another 25 pounds of torque which will make a noticable difference (about 10% increase you can feel it easy).


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Gabriel
CL Type S