How much faster is 6spd than Auto?
10-10-2003, 04:08 AM
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0-60 is a 1/2 second quicker according to Acura’s documentations.
I think most magazine tests have been in this range also.
It’s a HELL of a lot more fun to drive too. (I’ve owned both)
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I think most magazine tests have been in this range also.
It’s a HELL of a lot more fun to drive too. (I’ve owned both)
Shawn S
10-10-2003, 08:17 AM
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Originally posted by Satin Slayer
Just out of curiosity, can an auto CL-S with I/H/E and SC keep even with the 6-spd given that the driver of that 6-spd is exceptionally skilled?
Just out of curiosity, can an auto CL-S with I/H/E and SC keep even with the 6-spd given that the driver of that 6-spd is exceptionally skilled?
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10-10-2003, 09:42 AM
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Yeah, the 6 speed stock feels overall lighter and faster than my auto with all the goodies. That is, until you get high in the RPMS when even the 6 speed seems to run out of breath compared to the cars with headers.
I think that all but the fastest modified autos would lose to a stock 6 speed in the 1/4 mile.
I think that all but the fastest modified autos would lose to a stock 6 speed in the 1/4 mile.
10-10-2003, 10:43 AM
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Yeah, the 6 speed stock feels overall lighter and faster than my auto with all the goodies. That is, until you get high in the RPMS when even the 6 speed seems to run out of breath compared to the cars with headers.
I think that all but the fastest modified autos would lose to a stock 6 speed in the 1/4 mile.
Yeah, the 6 speed stock feels overall lighter and faster than my auto with all the goodies. That is, until you get high in the RPMS when even the 6 speed seems to run out of breath compared to the cars with headers.
I think that all but the fastest modified autos would lose to a stock 6 speed in the 1/4 mile.
10-10-2003, 11:46 AM
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Look at it this way, the 6-Speed has about 20 WHP more with the same setup, weighs about 60 - 70 lbs less and has more aggressive gearing. So the obvious answer is that the 6-Speed should be noticeably quicker.
However, an automatic is easier to launch so a botched launched in the 6-Speed would put it behind. In other words, a terrible stick driver would run slower times than even a mediocre driver in an automatic.
However, an automatic is easier to launch so a botched launched in the 6-Speed would put it behind. In other words, a terrible stick driver would run slower times than even a mediocre driver in an automatic.
10-10-2003, 01:02 PM
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I run 14.4 to 14.5 second quarter with a modded CLS auto with headers, intake and pullies and exhaust.
Those are warm weather numbers, as in the cold this fall I'm running 14.2 to 14.3.
Either way I equal or better most 6 speeds which are stock.
If I had the S/C on my car the stock 6 speed has no chance nor does a 6 speed with the bolt-ons less the S/C.
Those are warm weather numbers, as in the cold this fall I'm running 14.2 to 14.3.
Either way I equal or better most 6 speeds which are stock.
If I had the S/C on my car the stock 6 speed has no chance nor does a 6 speed with the bolt-ons less the S/C.
10-10-2003, 01:39 PM
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Originally posted by sonor kid
Those are warm weather numbers, as in the cold this fall I'm running 14.2 to 14.3.
Those are warm weather numbers, as in the cold this fall I'm running 14.2 to 14.3.
Steve
10-10-2003, 03:14 PM
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Originally posted by pimpscls
come on ne cali guys i never seen a 6spd cl-s in real life
come on ne cali guys i never seen a 6spd cl-s in real life
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10-11-2003, 06:30 AM
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I witnessed Rondog with i/h/e race lou on the highway off a 50 mph roll and they couldnt shake each other, until lou, with sways, sprngs and shocks got ricey(balsy) and started taking turns at 120 plus. This is where rondog backed down. Pretty even though.
10-11-2003, 07:35 AM
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Originally posted by mattg
have you actually run those times or are you just speculating?
have you actually run those times or are you just speculating?
I've spent way too much time at the track I guess.
10-11-2003, 07:55 AM
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with my stock CLS I raced against Sidemarker several times from a stop. At the time he had CT I/H/E/Sways/Springs on an Auto. Needless to say once 3rd gear hit I pulled on him even with a botched launch on my part since I had just only had the car a few weeks then. But that's not the fact all around. I know many 5ATs have run phenomenal times with just headers hitting around the low 14 sec. range.
10-12-2003, 07:55 PM
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I remember test driving the 6-spd ... and after being just... amazed at the difference during the test drive (w/ the salesman in the pass. seat, and my buddy in the back seat) .. my buddy and I got into my car and it felt like the biggest dog.
1st, 2nd and 3rd zip by sooo much faster (seemingly) in the 6-spd. I think feeling more "interactive" (i.e. w/ the shifting) in the 6-spd makes it seem faster as well. Track times speak more truth than anything anyone can say on this board, and frankly I've seen some 14.5's, 14.6's and 15.0's from 6-speeders on this board. Granted, perhaps they weren't as skilled as the pro's, but those are their realistic times, and you can't argue w/ those. I've BEEN to the track w/ sonor kid, and JohntypeS and seen those guys run 14.4's to 14.6's modded. John just ran a 14.20 ... they are all autos.
Don't care what things look like on paper, track times prove all.
1st, 2nd and 3rd zip by sooo much faster (seemingly) in the 6-spd. I think feeling more "interactive" (i.e. w/ the shifting) in the 6-spd makes it seem faster as well. Track times speak more truth than anything anyone can say on this board, and frankly I've seen some 14.5's, 14.6's and 15.0's from 6-speeders on this board. Granted, perhaps they weren't as skilled as the pro's, but those are their realistic times, and you can't argue w/ those. I've BEEN to the track w/ sonor kid, and JohntypeS and seen those guys run 14.4's to 14.6's modded. John just ran a 14.20 ... they are all autos.
Don't care what things look like on paper, track times prove all.
10-12-2003, 08:29 PM
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It's true. My CL-S feels tons faster than my gf's 03 Maxima. However, she's as of right now only 2 tenths slower. I think 14.5-14.6 is a respectable time from a stock 6 speed. What does a bone stock auto run? 14.8ish? I have pulled low 2.2 60's very consistently, but it only pulls 91-92mpm compared to the CL-S which pulls 95-97mph.
The reason that ET's arent as drastically different is in my opinion because:
A. The auto is a 5 speed. Alot of performance cars with auto's are still only 4 speed, so the gearing potential is not as good as a 5 speed.
B. The 6 speed has to shift into 4th just before the traps. 3rd gear runs out at like 90mph, so you are having to shift maybe a hundred feet before the traps. This is the one of the no-no's of setting up a drag car. You want to basically be at redline when you cross the traps, not having to shift just before the end.
C. It's almost always easier to launch an auto, especially with fwd. You cant just dump the clutch in the 6 speed. The tires are too narrow and the suspension is not setup to take a shock like that. It'll spin & hop like crazy. So the only choice seemed to me was to bog it and floor it. The key is to get the 60's in the low 2.2's, which will net mid 14's. The torque converter in the auto probably doesnt lock up till what? 1800 rpm? That means you can break tq and be under load when you launch, unlike the 6 speed which has to baby it out of the hole.
Just my thoughts.
The reason that ET's arent as drastically different is in my opinion because:
A. The auto is a 5 speed. Alot of performance cars with auto's are still only 4 speed, so the gearing potential is not as good as a 5 speed.
B. The 6 speed has to shift into 4th just before the traps. 3rd gear runs out at like 90mph, so you are having to shift maybe a hundred feet before the traps. This is the one of the no-no's of setting up a drag car. You want to basically be at redline when you cross the traps, not having to shift just before the end.
C. It's almost always easier to launch an auto, especially with fwd. You cant just dump the clutch in the 6 speed. The tires are too narrow and the suspension is not setup to take a shock like that. It'll spin & hop like crazy. So the only choice seemed to me was to bog it and floor it. The key is to get the 60's in the low 2.2's, which will net mid 14's. The torque converter in the auto probably doesnt lock up till what? 1800 rpm? That means you can break tq and be under load when you launch, unlike the 6 speed which has to baby it out of the hole.
Just my thoughts.
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Originally posted by jtkz13
It's true. My CL-S feels tons faster than my gf's 03 Maxima. However, she's as of right now only 2 tenths slower. I think 14.5-14.6 is a respectable time from a stock 6 speed. What does a bone stock auto run? 14.8ish? I have pulled low 2.2 60's very consistently, but it only pulls 91-92mpm compared to the CL-S which pulls 95-97mph.
The reason that ET's arent as drastically different is in my opinion because:
A. The auto is a 5 speed. Alot of performance cars with auto's are still only 4 speed, so the gearing potential is not as good as a 5 speed.
B. The 6 speed has to shift into 4th just before the traps. 3rd gear runs out at like 90mph, so you are having to shift maybe a hundred feet before the traps. This is the one of the no-no's of setting up a drag car. You want to basically be at redline when you cross the traps, not having to shift just before the end.
C. It's almost always easier to launch an auto, especially with fwd. You cant just dump the clutch in the 6 speed. The tires are too narrow and the suspension is not setup to take a shock like that. It'll spin & hop like crazy. So the only choice seemed to me was to bog it and floor it. The key is to get the 60's in the low 2.2's, which will net mid 14's. The torque converter in the auto probably doesnt lock up till what? 1800 rpm? That means you can break tq and be under load when you launch, unlike the 6 speed which has to baby it out of the hole.
Just my thoughts.
It's true. My CL-S feels tons faster than my gf's 03 Maxima. However, she's as of right now only 2 tenths slower. I think 14.5-14.6 is a respectable time from a stock 6 speed. What does a bone stock auto run? 14.8ish? I have pulled low 2.2 60's very consistently, but it only pulls 91-92mpm compared to the CL-S which pulls 95-97mph.
The reason that ET's arent as drastically different is in my opinion because:
A. The auto is a 5 speed. Alot of performance cars with auto's are still only 4 speed, so the gearing potential is not as good as a 5 speed.
B. The 6 speed has to shift into 4th just before the traps. 3rd gear runs out at like 90mph, so you are having to shift maybe a hundred feet before the traps. This is the one of the no-no's of setting up a drag car. You want to basically be at redline when you cross the traps, not having to shift just before the end.
C. It's almost always easier to launch an auto, especially with fwd. You cant just dump the clutch in the 6 speed. The tires are too narrow and the suspension is not setup to take a shock like that. It'll spin & hop like crazy. So the only choice seemed to me was to bog it and floor it. The key is to get the 60's in the low 2.2's, which will net mid 14's. The torque converter in the auto probably doesnt lock up till what? 1800 rpm? That means you can break tq and be under load when you launch, unlike the 6 speed which has to baby it out of the hole.
Just my thoughts.
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