Horse power in CL-S
01-10-2003, 10:15 AM
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Horse power in CL-S
Hey guys, I just heard that we can add about 100 more horse power to the cl-s. Do you believe it? I have mines up to 300hp.
01-10-2003, 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by CLTYPESINTDOT
What is the mod, & how much does it cost???
What is the mod, & how much does it cost???
01-10-2003, 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by 4pumpedCL
My CL is pushing about 360 hp now with mods totally no less than $1000.
-Jorge
My CL is pushing about 360 hp now with mods totally no less than $1000.
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01-10-2003, 11:50 AM
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i put 286 to the wheels a couple weeks ago, with my new setup it should be over 300 to the wheels, which equals about 350 the crank....im not positive, but i dont think anyone else has put down more? so i wanna know what the hell you're talking about b/c the 3.5upgrade gives you about 40hp, so please let us know....
01-10-2003, 11:51 AM
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Intake ~ 12 hp
Pulley ~ 7 hp (maybe)
Exhaust ~ 5 hp (reasonable, usually it's less on our cars)
Headers ~ 32hp (by dyno report)
ECU ~ 7 hp (ecu upgrade on our car's doesn't help much because they are already tuned pretty damn good, or so i've heard)
S/C ~ 50 hp (underestimate)
these aren't mods i've done to my car, but are the mods that are available that i can think of off the top of my head, and these only add up to about
total: 373 hp
$ Total: $8400 (estimate by going prices)
how'd u get that much for under $1000? damn sign me up now!!!!
Pulley ~ 7 hp (maybe)
Exhaust ~ 5 hp (reasonable, usually it's less on our cars)
Headers ~ 32hp (by dyno report)
ECU ~ 7 hp (ecu upgrade on our car's doesn't help much because they are already tuned pretty damn good, or so i've heard)
S/C ~ 50 hp (underestimate)
these aren't mods i've done to my car, but are the mods that are available that i can think of off the top of my head, and these only add up to about
total: 373 hp
$ Total: $8400 (estimate by going prices)
how'd u get that much for under $1000? damn sign me up now!!!!
01-10-2003, 11:57 AM
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why do people still add up HP increases like this??? there is no fucking way that a CL-S with intake and headers has an extra 40 whp... thats totally insane....no one has ever gotten that and no one ever will get that..
when can we stop it with the little list of mods and what they add?!!! its total BS and anyone who mods cars and dynos cars knows this....look at JohnTypeS for example, he has virtually every single mod available for our car with the exception of the S/C and nitrous
hes got headers, intake, Vtec controller, Fuel pressure regulator, spark plugs, comptech exhaust, and he dynos about 248 hp i beleive...now if we were to add up his mods with the bone-head chart of intake = 12, headers = 32, vtec controller = 7, exhaust = 5 he should be dynoing WAAAAYYY higher than he actually is, but like most people understand, you cant add the HP increases like that, it just doesnt work that way....
when can we stop it with the little list of mods and what they add?!!! its total BS and anyone who mods cars and dynos cars knows this....look at JohnTypeS for example, he has virtually every single mod available for our car with the exception of the S/C and nitrous
hes got headers, intake, Vtec controller, Fuel pressure regulator, spark plugs, comptech exhaust, and he dynos about 248 hp i beleive...now if we were to add up his mods with the bone-head chart of intake = 12, headers = 32, vtec controller = 7, exhaust = 5 he should be dynoing WAAAAYYY higher than he actually is, but like most people understand, you cant add the HP increases like that, it just doesnt work that way....
01-10-2003, 11:59 AM
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Originally posted by Shawn S
A Flux Capacitor and ONE POINT TWENTY ONE JIGA-WATTS
A Flux Capacitor and ONE POINT TWENTY ONE JIGA-WATTS
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Originally posted by jimcol711
why do people still add up HP increases like this??? there is no fucking way that a CL-S with intake and headers has an extra 40 whp... thats totally insane....no one has ever gotten that and no one ever will get that..
when can we stop it with the little list of mods and what they add?!!! its total BS and anyone who mods cars and dynos cars knows this....look at JohnTypeS for example, he has virtually every single mod available for our car with the exception of the S/C and nitrous
hes got headers, intake, Vtec controller, Fuel pressure regulator, spark plugs, comptech exhaust, and he dynos about 248 hp i beleive...now if we were to add up his mods with the bone-head chart of intake = 12, headers = 32, vtec controller = 7, exhaust = 5 he should be dynoing WAAAAYYY higher than he actually is, but like most people understand, you cant add the HP increases like that, it just doesnt work that way....
why do people still add up HP increases like this??? there is no fucking way that a CL-S with intake and headers has an extra 40 whp... thats totally insane....no one has ever gotten that and no one ever will get that..
when can we stop it with the little list of mods and what they add?!!! its total BS and anyone who mods cars and dynos cars knows this....look at JohnTypeS for example, he has virtually every single mod available for our car with the exception of the S/C and nitrous
hes got headers, intake, Vtec controller, Fuel pressure regulator, spark plugs, comptech exhaust, and he dynos about 248 hp i beleive...now if we were to add up his mods with the bone-head chart of intake = 12, headers = 32, vtec controller = 7, exhaust = 5 he should be dynoing WAAAAYYY higher than he actually is, but like most people understand, you cant add the HP increases like that, it just doesnt work that way....
01-10-2003, 12:05 PM
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Originally posted by useph murray
hahahahahahah. He can go back to the future with that shit.
hahahahahahah. He can go back to the future with that shit.
Answer that question once and for all.
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01-10-2003, 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by slyraskal
we can add up horsepower like that as estimates (that's why i said estimate!) and this is the estimated hp rating of the engine, not what is at the wheel. that's why your friends dyno rating was so much lower, check out http://www.comptechusa.com/images/dy...cls6spd_sc.pdf and you'll see that the hp level is lower than 260 anyways.
we can add up horsepower like that as estimates (that's why i said estimate!) and this is the estimated hp rating of the engine, not what is at the wheel. that's why your friends dyno rating was so much lower, check out http://www.comptechusa.com/images/dy...cls6spd_sc.pdf and you'll see that the hp level is lower than 260 anyways.
the reason a car dynos lower is because advertised HP ratings are ALWAYS taken at the crankshaft, not at the wheels, when a CL-S is advertised at 260 HP, sure, thats at the CRANK, by the time the engine turns the tranny and the tranny turns the axel and the axle turns the wheel, the power is down to about 200....
its all marketing...well with the exception of a car like the new cobra and the dodge SRT-4..those fuckers are putting down at the wheels what the advertised crank HP is, if not MORE...thats obviously a underestimation on the part of the manufactuer
01-10-2003, 12:38 PM
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actually jimcol711 is on the money on this, we both kinda said the same thing in our posts above, there is a loss from the crank to the wheel, it all depends on how the car was engineered.
but we didnt' say we lose 60hp, actually our cars we only loose about 30 between the crank and the wheel. for proof of that look at the dyno's on comptech's site.
but we didnt' say we lose 60hp, actually our cars we only loose about 30 between the crank and the wheel. for proof of that look at the dyno's on comptech's site.
01-10-2003, 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by threetwoseeL
you don't get that much of a loss.. you don't lose 60 horse power just going to the wheels ESPECIALLY not on a manual... get your head out of your ass..
you don't get that much of a loss.. you don't lose 60 horse power just going to the wheels ESPECIALLY not on a manual... get your head out of your ass..
get my head out of my ass?? too bad theres many many dynos that show automatic transmission CL-S baseline dyno of 200 WHP or less....lets see here
260 (advertised HP) - 200 (dyno hp) = 60 HP DRIVETRAIN LOSS
is that simple enough to understand???
the average automatic CL-S baseline dyno is definately not above 200 hp..most get between 195-205, with the majority falling at 200 or less.....as far as 6-speed CL-S...the best ive seen for a baseline Dyno was somehting like 222 hp...with an average of around 215.....fact is, our cars lose a shitload of HP...either that or acura over-rated them. one or the other.
check your resources before you tell someone to get their head out of their ass.
thank you
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Originally posted by threetwoseeL
you don't get that much of a loss.. you don't lose 60 horse power just going to the wheels ESPECIALLY not on a manual... get your head out of your ass..
you don't get that much of a loss.. you don't lose 60 horse power just going to the wheels ESPECIALLY not on a manual... get your head out of your ass..
Shawn S
01-10-2003, 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by Shawn S
While I admit that Jim often has his head in that very place at times, he IS correct THIS time.
Shawn S
While I admit that Jim often has his head in that very place at times, he IS correct THIS time.
Shawn S
hahaha, thanks for backing me up shawn!!
01-10-2003, 12:56 PM
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Of course no-one that I'm aware of has actually dyno'ed (is that still the right term) the engine at the crank. We're taking Acura's word that we're starting from a baseline of 260 crank HP. Only they know if that quote is real or not.
Please tell me if I'm wrong.
Please tell me if I'm wrong.
01-10-2003, 01:03 PM
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hey Useph,
BigPimp, Zapata, MarcS and myself would like to meet up with you in Philly to talk about adding HP to the CLS.
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hey Useph,
BigPimp, Zapata, MarcS and myself would like to meet up with you in Philly to talk about adding HP to the CLS.
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01-10-2003, 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by jimcol711
why do people still add up HP increases like this??? there is no fucking way that a CL-S with intake and headers has an extra 40 whp... thats totally insane....no one has ever gotten that and no one ever will get that..
why do people still add up HP increases like this??? there is no fucking way that a CL-S with intake and headers has an extra 40 whp... thats totally insane....no one has ever gotten that and no one ever will get that..
I came darn close to 40hp
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Originally posted by Shawn S
While I admit that Jim often has his head in that very place at times, he IS correct THIS time.
Shawn S
While I admit that Jim often has his head in that very place at times, he IS correct THIS time.
Shawn S
Jim and Shawn are absolutely right on this one slyraskal. The dyno figures back this up. Maybe it's a case of the kettle calling the pot black here!
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