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Old 03-31-2005, 01:53 PM
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As an aside - it's cool to know that even the annoying questions get a thorough explanation here - I greatly appreciate the time and effort

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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Incorrect. The coolant should flow through the heat exchangers prior to going through the IC. This will provide the most efficient cooling.
02AV6's schematic is more efficient if you plan on dropping in Ice into your tank. If you run it through the heat exchangers prior to going into the IC, the exchangers will normalize the temperature of the fluid closer to ambient temps (heat the fluid). The exchangers are not guaranteed to lower temperature if the fluid in the tank is colder than ambient.
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my head hurts....

Scalbert better chime in here because I have mine routed like 02AV6..

although I did notice something...

The inlet on the IC is higher on the passenger side and lower on the drivers side... so my guess is that you want fluid to run in the high inlet and out the lower outlet...

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Passenger side---




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Originally Posted by 02AV6
Here, how the coolant flows

and if we are incorrect..... NOT 100% sure.. (I PM'ed Scalbert.. he will show up soon.)

the pump will be moved to the other line.., so it is not all that bad
Old 03-31-2005, 04:14 PM
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The coolant direction isn't as critical and getting the greatest efficiency depends on many factors.

Having it flow from the reservoir to the IC and then on to the heat exchangers provides the best benefit when adding ice and when the reservoir is located in a located not subject to heating.

If you have an underhood reservoir where underhood heat would increase the reservoir temps then it should go from the reservoir to the heat exchangers to the IC.

Hope this helps.
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okay, I do not plan on adding Distilled ice cubes.. so I better change my pump to the other line..

.. damn it.. .. oh well
Old 03-31-2005, 06:19 PM
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Scalbert what would your thoughts be on placing 2 mini 12V fans & shrouds in front of the heat exchangers, so there is constant air flow on the coolant.?...
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Originally Posted by Smitty
Scalbert what would your thoughts be on placing 2 mini 12V fans & shrouds in front of the heat exchangers, so there is constant air flow on the coolant.?...
They are not needed.

Remember, the coolant is primarily being heated only when under load. At idle the air flowing into the engine is actually cooling the water; kinda a reverse action when not under load. There is more air flowing into the engine at low loads than a couple of fans could provide.
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Has anyone played with the idea of using copper tubing instead of hoses for part of the run under the car? For your application Smitty where you don't intend on adding ice, you may gain some additional cooling benefits as the copper tubing will act as an additional heat exchanger (that's with the understanding that the copper tubing is run in areas that have airflow and will be close to ambient temps. Obviously running copper tubing next to your exhaust cutout would be counterproductive

The concept is similar to the power steering cooler on our cars.
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With the set ups being run, most will see the water temps about 10 - 20 degrees above ambient in normal traffic conditions. It will be hard to get much better than that.
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No need to re-invent the wheel guys. I think the basic setup Steve created works pretty well
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Originally Posted by scalbert
With the set ups being run, most will see the water temps about 10 - 20 degrees above ambient in normal traffic conditions. It will be hard to get much better than that.
What about a chiller setup and a closed loop for the coolant for the IC? Similar to a chiller for a Keg?

Not trying to reinvent the wheel Steve, just trying to give it less rolling resistance
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Ford has experimented with a liquid/air system which used the AC system to cool the coolant and it worked well. They were able to pick up a good amount of power, ~100 HP, by doing this (in conjunction with ECU). But it was more of a one-shot type system.
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Originally Posted by Smitty


i will finish the mounts this weekend and take the tape off to show the polished tank...


what kind of subs are those, j/k
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Incorrect. The coolant should flow through the heat exchangers prior to going through the IC. This will provide the most efficient cooling.
Disagree. If you had reservoir in the engine bay than my scheme is incorrect.
My plan is to use ice once in while (summer time both street/track), thus its more efficient way to cool off incoming hot air and that is how Scalbert made the flow based on the second design.
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Smitty,

I've got the same way outlet (passenger side) positioned higher than inlet and it was confusing first from my installer. However Steve confirmed it would be fine and it is, completely cold I love it.
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Originally Posted by 02AV6
Disagree. If you had reservoir in the engine bay than my scheme is incorrect.
My plan is to use ice once in while (summer time both street/track), thus its more efficient way to cool off incoming hot air and that is how Scalbert made the flow based on the second design.

Ice water is going to become just plain water in about 5 minutes.

I suppose the benefits/disadvantages are equal with both setups.
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
I suppose the benefits/disadvantages are equal with both setups.

Yep, as long as it delivers expected results and mine is COLD that benefits greatly.
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Originally Posted by 02AV6
Smitty,

I've got the same way outlet (passenger side) positioned higher than inlet and it was confusing first from my installer. However Steve confirmed it would be fine and it is, completely cold I love it.

yeah i will not be running ice, so I will switch it around this weekend... I called summit and ordered the 4.95 each fittings I need.. they will be here tomorrow

I wish I could get my damn brand new laptop to work with my e-manage.. it is pissing me off.
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