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Hope Systems Intercooler guys...
Where/how the hell did you mount this tank? I bought the Summit Racing brackets for the vertical tank, but they are pretty big (too big). I checked with Summit and these are the correct ones 
So, how did you guys mount the tank in the trunk? It is kind of an odd shape since the bottom isn't flat.
Thanks guys
So, how did you guys mount the tank in the trunk? It is kind of an odd shape since the bottom isn't flat.
Thanks guys
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03-30-2005, 10:46 PM
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yeah but once you get to installing you see it all come together... I still need to finish mine..
I am waiting on some electrical supplies so I can clean up the relay and switch... then i will finish the install and post pictures of everything...
I am waiting on some electrical supplies so I can clean up the relay and switch... then i will finish the install and post pictures of everything...
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Trying to figure out how to mount this tank is the hardest part of the install 
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I still have to strap it down, some how. I did spend about $200 on AN fittings from Jegs, I had to find a fix for a couple of hoses that kept pinching off due to the 180 angle. They look pretty cool, but I still have those 2 bungee cords on the tank.
03-31-2005, 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Trying to figure out how to mount this tank is the hardest part of the install
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Bigguy... what is used around the trim of the tank where the floor needed to be cut? I'm going to exchange my tank for that one.
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here's a few more shots of the inside floor of the trunk.
i basicly drilled holes in the floor and bolted the tank down with its mount. for the right height i place a piece of wood underneath that was cut to size. that way it would be flush when i lay the carpet over it.
then all the hoses were routed through some 5/8 bulkhead fitting with 90 degree angles through the existing holes. that kept it away from the exhaust and for added security i wrapped the hoses with heat shield.
i hope that helped.
i basicly drilled holes in the floor and bolted the tank down with its mount. for the right height i place a piece of wood underneath that was cut to size. that way it would be flush when i lay the carpet over it.
then all the hoses were routed through some 5/8 bulkhead fitting with 90 degree angles through the existing holes. that kept it away from the exhaust and for added security i wrapped the hoses with heat shield.
i hope that helped.
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This may be a stupid question. Wouldn't there be a power loss between having the IC in the trunk as opposed to in the front? All the additional travel the air has to make. Maybe I'm way off, just seems like you'd want to have it in the front for any real gains.
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Air isn't flowing through the hoses. Coolant is. The farther the coolant is, the more time it has to cool.
03-31-2005, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by MrDan
Guess I need Intercooler 101. I thought the Intercooler used coolant to cool air that flowed through it (2 sets of tubes/pipes).
That is an Air to Air intercooler. This is an air to water.
Intercooler 101
03-31-2005, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
That is an Air to Air intercooler. This is an air to water.
Intercooler 101
Intercooler 101
Now I'm thoroughly confused. I'll do some research - thanks for trying to explain it to me ...
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there are technically 3 heat exchangers....
2 behind the front bumper and 1 built into the Intercooler CORE.
the liquid goes through the rad type exchanger inside the core.... the Supercharger is forcing air through the core and the air is passing right through the exchanger (i.e fins of radiator).. the charge is COOLED and dumps right in the runners and mixes with fuel... combustion.. more HP..
that help?
2 behind the front bumper and 1 built into the Intercooler CORE.
the liquid goes through the rad type exchanger inside the core.... the Supercharger is forcing air through the core and the air is passing right through the exchanger (i.e fins of radiator).. the charge is COOLED and dumps right in the runners and mixes with fuel... combustion.. more HP..
that help?
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
That is an Air to Air intercooler. This is an air to water.
Intercooler 101
Intercooler 101
03-31-2005, 12:27 PM
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INSIDE of core...
you see what looks like a radiator built in???\
it works the SAME way as your radiator.... the coolant goes into the rad type core and comes out the other side... then goes to the front of the car, through the exchangers and back to the tank....
When the collant is inside the core, AIR is passing through the rad/core and it is lowering the TEMPERATURE of the forced charge.... Hence.. INTER-cooled
you see what looks like a radiator built in???\
it works the SAME way as your radiator.... the coolant goes into the rad type core and comes out the other side... then goes to the front of the car, through the exchangers and back to the tank....
When the collant is inside the core, AIR is passing through the rad/core and it is lowering the TEMPERATURE of the forced charge.... Hence.. INTER-cooled
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Okay.
Air flows in through the IceBox and through the air filter. From there is passes through the throttle body and into the supercharger. The supercharger unit is connected to a shaft. On the end of the shaft is a pulley. A belt connects the supercharger shaft pulley to a modified alternator pulley. The crank shaft pulley spins the alternator pulley. So...
All these pulleys work to spin the supercharger shaft. The shaft spins the supercharger which compresses the air. As a part of this mechanical process, heat is created and thus heats the air. The air exits the supercharger and enters the intake manifold.
The intercooler design used here replaces the factory intake manifold. To cool the air in this intercooler coolant is used. A reservoir in the trunk holds 4-5 gallons of coolant/water. A pump pulls the coolant from the reservoir and to the front of the car where 2 heat exchangers are mounted. These units are like small radiators. As air passes by them, the coolant flowing through them is cooled. The coolant leaves the heat exchangers and heads up towards the intercooler which is mounted where the factory intake manifold is. Inside the intercooler is a core (also a heat exchanger). The coolant flows around the core to cool the air entering the intercooler from the supercharger. After the coolant leaves the intercooler it returns to the reservoir to repeat the process. Air is cooled before it enters the runners as it is mixed with fuel.
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Air flows in through the IceBox and through the air filter. From there is passes through the throttle body and into the supercharger. The supercharger unit is connected to a shaft. On the end of the shaft is a pulley. A belt connects the supercharger shaft pulley to a modified alternator pulley. The crank shaft pulley spins the alternator pulley. So...
All these pulleys work to spin the supercharger shaft. The shaft spins the supercharger which compresses the air. As a part of this mechanical process, heat is created and thus heats the air. The air exits the supercharger and enters the intake manifold.
The intercooler design used here replaces the factory intake manifold. To cool the air in this intercooler coolant is used. A reservoir in the trunk holds 4-5 gallons of coolant/water. A pump pulls the coolant from the reservoir and to the front of the car where 2 heat exchangers are mounted. These units are like small radiators. As air passes by them, the coolant flowing through them is cooled. The coolant leaves the heat exchangers and heads up towards the intercooler which is mounted where the factory intake manifold is. Inside the intercooler is a core (also a heat exchanger). The coolant flows around the core to cool the air entering the intercooler from the supercharger. After the coolant leaves the intercooler it returns to the reservoir to repeat the process. Air is cooled before it enters the runners as it is mixed with fuel.
Any questions?
03-31-2005, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 02AV6
Here, how the coolant flows 
Incorrect. The coolant should flow through the heat exchangers prior to going through the IC. This will provide the most efficient cooling.
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
A reservoir in the trunk holds 4-5 gallons of coolant/water.
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Any questions?
that makes much more sense - thanks for the explanation. and now I understand the difficulty you were originally talking about. You need to find a place to install a 40-50lb resevoir with all the necessary tubing.
sgmotoring - do you have anything on the drivers side to balance the resevoir? or is it even needed?
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
The battery and supercharger sit on the drivers side. And it really isn't 50lbs. The tank itself might weigh 3lbs and then another 30lbs or so of fluid.
As an aside - it's cool to know that even the annoying questions get a thorough explanation here - I greatly appreciate the time and effort
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The stock intake manifold is a casting and weighs a ton. The intercooler assembly is aluminum and in comparison is quite lightweight. The entire system might at 30-40lbs to the car while fully filled.
Also, mounting the tank in the trunk helps offset the heavy front weight bias our cars have... well a little.
Also, mounting the tank in the trunk helps offset the heavy front weight bias our cars have... well a little.