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Old 02-27-2005, 03:56 PM
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Exclamation Honda interlock repairs exceed 1 million

American Honda Motor Co. Inc. is recalling nearly 500,000 cars to fix a
defect that can allow them to roll away when they are parked.

The cars were built for the 1997-2002 model years. The automaker conducted a
similar repair of nearly 600,000 other Honda and Acura vehicles in late
2003. In both cases a flaw in the ignition interlock system allows a driver
to remove the key when the transmission is not in park. The rollaway danger
occurs when a motorist leaves the vehicle without

shifting into park or applying the emergency brake, the National Highway
Traffic Safety Administration says.

The recall involves some 1999-2002 Honda Accords, 1997-2001 Honda Preludes
and 1999-2000 Acura TLs.

Honda told NHTSA it believes the defect has developed in less than 0.05
percent of the recalled vehicles, or 250 cars. But it is installing an
improved interlock lever in all of them, the automaker says. There is no way
to predict which cars will fail, said William Willen, managing counsel in
Honda's regulatory office.

Honda plans an additional repair of those cars that already have had an
interlock failure. The automaker says it has not defined that repair.

Documents on file with NHTSA show the recall covers only vehicles with
interlocks from an unidentified Japanese supplier. Cars with parts from a
U.S. supplier do not appear defective.

The earlier recall involved some 1998-99 Honda Accords and Acura CLs and
1999 Honda Odysseys and Acura TLs.
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If you leave the car without putting it in park or having the parking brake on, you deserve to have your car run away and hit a wall.
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Originally Posted by vkilmor
Documents on file with NHTSA show the recall covers only vehicles with
interlocks from an unidentified Japanese supplier. Cars with parts from a
U.S. supplier do not appear defective.


Seems a bit backwards doesn't it?
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About 2 years ago I had a car wash place somehow remove my key with the car in drive. It didn't roll or anything, but I was bewildered when they handed me the key and I went into the car only to discover it was in drive! Morons - needless to say I never went back there again.
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Honda told NHTSA it believes the defect has developed in less than 0.05
percent of the recalled vehicles, or 250 cars. But it is installing an
improved interlock lever in all of them, the automaker says. There is no way
to predict which cars will fail, said William Willen, managing counsel in
Honda's regulatory office.

About 250 cars or .05% and that promps a recall but not the transmission problem
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Originally Posted by mt6forlife
If you leave the car without putting it in park or having the parking brake on, you deserve to have your car run away and hit a wall.
in most cases i guess if you jumped out to say run to a store while your double parked or something that cause u 2 not pay attention while placing the shifter in park, i could c this happening, a.t. cls r the ones with this problem and u would assume its in park if u shift 2 park and pull the key. big mistake
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i wish honda would just smartin up, dont they know this kills there fan base. i love my cl but i doubt i'd get another one, its great but my gm never had so many issues, i guess thats just life.
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Originally Posted by whiteknight
About 2 years ago I had a car wash place somehow remove my key with the car in drive. It didn't roll or anything, but I was bewildered when they handed me the key and I went into the car only to discover it was in drive! Morons - needless to say I never went back there again.
and c in your case someone else did the moron move, i guess u got to watch anyone who drives ya car when having it serviced and dont sign any liability waivers
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Originally Posted by vkilmor
in most cases i guess if you jumped out to say run to a store while your double parked or something that cause u 2 not pay attention while placing the shifter in park, i could c this happening, a.t. cls r the ones with this problem and u would assume its in park if u shift 2 park and pull the key. big mistake
I guess you'd have to be pretty inexperienced to do that. When I get in or out of a car, I have a routine I do without thinking. When I drove an auto, part of that was putting the car in park and then releasing the brakes and then removing the key. Park is the highest position too. Push it till it stops. Not too hard. Oh well, people who can't operate machines are the reason lawyers exist.
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Originally Posted by vkilmor
i wish honda would just smartin up, dont they know this kills there fan base. i love my cl but i doubt i'd get another one, its great but my gm never had so many issues, i guess thats just life.
are you kidding!? If your GM has had less issues its a stroke of luck for you - I believe American cars have came a very long way, but there is no way I would choose a Chevy sedan over an Acura on reliability issues.
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are you kidding!? If your GM has had less issues its a stroke of luck for you - I believe American cars have came a very long way, but there is no way I would choose a Chevy sedan over an Acura on reliability issues.
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are you kidding!? If your GM has had less issues its a stroke of luck for you - I believe American cars have came a very long way, but there is no way I would choose a Chevy sedan over an Acura on reliability issues.
hey thats fine by me, the yukon was a gift (not of choice), brand new & fully loaded , so i guess i did have good luck till we had the arm & leg gas price issue then i traded up for my acura, mayb it was built on a bad day or mayb the mass complaints and recalls are lies. no matter as long as i got wheels & a job and to keep em running its all good.
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Originally Posted by mt6forlife
I guess you'd have to be pretty inexperienced to do that. When I get in or out of a car, I have a routine I do without thinking. When I drove an auto, part of that was putting the car in park and then releasing the brakes and then removing the key. Park is the highest position too. Push it till it stops. Not too hard. Oh well, people who can't operate machines are the reason lawyers exist.

i agree but no one was born a perfect driver, and with such flaws like the interlock ;lawsuits, lawyers, and recalls exist.
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Oh Christ, all cars get recalled for one thing or another. What's the big deal? Quit bitching.
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Oh Christ, all cars get recalled for one thing or another. What's the big deal? Quit bitching.
when i hit the lotto or get filthy rich, i will
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General Recalls and TSBs for the Acura CL-S:

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1. 03-030 OCT 03 Campaign - Engine Timing Belt Tensioner Replacement
2. 03-017 SEP 03 Campaign - PCM/Fuel Pressure Regulator Update

Service Bulletins

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1. 04-008 MAR 04 Navigation System - Operational Malfunctions
2. 01-041 FEB 04 Engine - V6 Engine Oil Leaks
3. 04-004 FEB 04 Computers/Controls - HIM Module Updating
4. 01-026 JAN 04 Engine Controls - ECM/PCM Reprogramming
5. 00-037 OCT 03 Brakes - Brake Disc Refinishing Guideline
6. 03-029 OCT 03 Brakes - Brake System Lamp Comes ON/Goes Off
7. 03-028 OCT 03 Navigation System - Incorrectly Displays Phone Numbers
8. 91-050 SEP 03 Interior - Seat Belt(s) Slow to Retract
9. 03-015 AUG 03 Audio System - Remote Controls Don't Work Properly
10. 98-005 JUL 03 Drivetrain - Revised CV Joint Boot Band/Installation
11. 97-040 MAY 03 Keyless Entry - Description/Identification/Programming
12. 01-017 MAY 03 Brakes - Pedal/Steering Wheel Vibrate When Braking
13. 00-019 APR 03 Antitheft System - Type 2 System Operation/Programming
14. 03-010 MAR 03 Engine Controls/Emissions - DTC's & Monitors
15. 03-006 MAR 03 Engine Controls - Idle Speed Inspection
16. 03-003 FEB 03 Interior - Power Seat Rail Synchronization Update
17. 03-001 JAN 03 Emissions - MIL ON/DTC P1457 (EVAP) Set
18. 02-020 AUG 02 Air Bag System - Occupant Position Sensor Initialization
19. 02-015 JUL 02 Air Bag System - SRS Lamp ON/DTC's Set
20. 02-012 MAY 02 Clutch Master Cylinder - Fluid Leakage
21. 02-006 MAR 02 Front Seat Back Panel - Loose/Detached
22. 02-005 FEB 02 Emissions - EVAP System Testing and Diagnostics
23. 96-025 DEC 01 Navigation System - Component Exchange Program
24. 99-041 NOV 01 Navigation System/A/C - Operation/Testing
General Recalls and TSBs for Chevy Malibu:

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4. 04-07-30-013 MAR 04 Air Filter - SES Lamp ON/Multiple Driveability Concerns
5. 01-07-30-036C MAR 04 A/T - DTC P0756 Diagnostic Tips
6. 00-06-02-006A FEB 04 Cooling System - Coolant Information
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15. 02-08-48-001A DEC 03 Windows/Glass - Urethane Adhesive Usage
16. 03-07-30-021A NOV 03 A/T - Shift Flare/DTC's Set/SES Lamp ON
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18. 01-01-38-013A OCT 03 A/C - Unnecessary Compressor Replacement
19. 03-02-32-049 OCT 03 Steering - New Outer Tie Rods/Replacement Procedure
20. 03-06-01-010B OCT 03 Engine - Intake Manifold Oil/Coolant Leak
21. 99-09-40-005A OCT 03 Interior - Seat Belt Extenders
22. 02-07-30-022B OCT 03 A/T - MIL/SES Lamp ON/Multiple A/T DTC's Set
23. 03-07-30-012A OCT 03 A/T - Slips/Won't Shift/Erratic Shifting
24. 03-09-41-003 JUL 03 Restraint System - Proper Air Bag System Diagnosis
25. 01-06-01-011A JUL 03 Engine - Oil Consumption Information
26. 01-01-39-003A JUL 03 A/C - Catastrophic Compressor Failure Debris Removal
27. 01-01-38-006B JUL 03 A/C - R-134A System Flushing Procedure
28. 03-07-30-027 JUN 03 A/T - Oil Cooler Flushing Frequently Asked Questions
29. 03-06-04-030 MAY 03 Fuel System - Possible MIL ON/Driveability Symptoms
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32. 03-07-29-004 APR 03 M/T - Operating Characteristics
33. 01-03-08-002B APR 03 Suspension - Front Suspension Clunk/Rattle Noise
34. 99-01-39-007B MAR 03 A/C - Automatic A/C Functional Description
35. 03-01-38-001 MAR 03 A/C - System Sealers/Leak Detection Guidelines
36. 03-07-30-006 MAR 03 A/T - 4T40-E/4T45-T Engineering Changes
37. 01-05-23-001A MAR 03 Brakes - Brake Rotor Lateral Runout Correction
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40. 02-08-42-001A MAR 03 Lighting - Polycarbonate Headlamp Damage Prevention
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42. 99-07-30-017A FEB 03 A/T - Oil Cooler Flushing/Flow Check Procedures
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45. 99-08-64-016A JAN 03 Body - Weatherstrip Maintenance
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48. 99-07-30-030B DEC 02 A/T - Grinding/Growling While in PARK on an Incline
49. 02-06-03-006A DEC 02 Electrical - Testing Before Replacing Battery or Alt
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63. 02-08-44-007 MAY 02 Audio System (XM) - Negative Impact of Vinyl/Cloth Roofs
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66. 02-08-46-007 MAY 02 OnStar (R) - Caller Minutes Cannot Be Replenished
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69. 01-08-57-007A APR 02 Body - Water Leaks to Interior/Trunk
70. 02-05-22-001 APR 02 Brakes - Revised Specifications
71. 02-06-01-014 APR 02 Intake Manifold (Lower) - Revised Installation
72. 02-08-46-004 APR 02 OnStar System (R) - Cellular Error Messages
73. 99-08-51-007A MAR 02 Aluminum Wheels - Refinishing
74. 02-06-04-015 MAR 02 Engine - Intermittent No Crank/No Start
75. 02-06-01-008 MAR 02 Engine - New Prelube Tool
76. 02-03-08-003 FEB 02 Suspension (Front) - Revised Torque Specifications
77. 01-03-08-003A FEB 02 Suspension - Front/Rear Squawking Noise
78. 99-00-89-019B FEB 02 Warranty - Parts Return Program Explained
79. 02-06-01-003 JAN 02 Cylinder Head - Torque Sequence/Specification Revision
80. 00-00-89-027A JAN 02 Interior - New Odor Elimination Product
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82. 01-03-10-012 JAN 02 Wheel Balance/Alignment - Labor Operation Guidelines
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84. 01-07-30-041 DEC 01 A/T - Fluid Leak Diagnosis
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86. 01-08-46-006A DEC 01 Onstar(R) - Antenna Coupling Revised Procedures
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88. 01-08-49-016 NOV 01 Cigarette Lighter - Inoperative
89. 01-08-97-002 NOV 01 HomeLink(R) Transmitter - Programming Difficulties
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91. 01-03-10-009 NOV 01 Wheel Nut Covers - Loose/Missing
92. 01-07-30-029 OCT 01 A/T - Core Return Product Feedback Form
93. 01-08-44-011 OCT 01 CD Player - CD Cannot Be Inserted or Ejected
94. 00-06-04-011A OCT 01 EVAP System - Monitor Strategy
95. 01-08-51-003 OCT 01 Vehicle - Interior/Exterior Anti-Corrosion Materials
96. 01-00-89-013 SEP 01 RKE Transmitter - Correct Use of Labor Operation R4490
97. 01-08-46-004 AUG 01 Cellular Phones - Operating Characteristics
98. 01-08-51-002 AUG 01 Door Edge - New Protection
99. 01-01-38-006A JUL 01 A/C - Proper Flushing Procedures
100. 01-00-89-010 JUN 01 Diagnostic Worksheet - Usage
101. 99-06-03-010A JUN 01 PCM/BCM Replacement - DTC's B001/B1271/B1780 Set
102. 01-09-40-002 JUN 01 Seat Belt System - Collision Replacement Guidelines
103. 99-01-39-004A MAY 01 A/C - Odor Emission in Hot Weather
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when i hit the lotto or get filthy rich, i will

What does money have anything to do with this? Its a free service
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What does money have anything to do with this? Its a free service
wow
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What does money have anything to do with this? Its a free service
time off from work (-) weekly pay = less money ,

but u got me , rockon
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Weekend? Drop the car off at night, get a loaner for the next day, pick up your car the following evening.

It's really not that difficult dude...
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