high powered FWD 300+whp
11-30-2004, 06:56 PM
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high powered FWD 300+whp
I see the numbers posted by some of the fast Cl-s on this forum, how do u guys get all that power on the ground especially without using slicks. how do u all manage the understeer especially at launches.
i know lowering the car helps a bit but thats about it.
I also read somewhere that using slicks on such setup with that much torque & Hp will end up breaking the acuara CL's drive terrain(cv' joints and all)
So how do u manage a 300+ whp FWD at lunches
somebody/anybody tell me>>>>>>
i know this much
Drag radials such as the Nittos help
Stiffer struts and lowering the car also helps a great deal
i also think bigger or thicker front strut bar helps but not sure.....
knowledge is power.....................
i know lowering the car helps a bit but thats about it.
I also read somewhere that using slicks on such setup with that much torque & Hp will end up breaking the acuara CL's drive terrain(cv' joints and all)
So how do u manage a 300+ whp FWD at lunches
somebody/anybody tell me>>>>>>
i know this much
Drag radials such as the Nittos help
Stiffer struts and lowering the car also helps a great deal
i also think bigger or thicker front strut bar helps but not sure.....
knowledge is power.....................
11-30-2004, 07:01 PM
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As long as you don't let the wheels hop madly, the cars put down the power fine. Remember our cars also weigh 3700 lbs, so they are by no means light(more weight to hold the wheels to the ground) plus 63% of that weight is on the front wheels.
11-30-2004, 07:12 PM
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but remenber now that when making 300 + whp and almost 300 pounds of torque on a front wheel drive at a standstill especially on fwd there is bound to be wheel hop and just becos its a fwd and weighs over 3000 pounds does not make up for the torque steer which might be excessive. remenber the weight distribution in FWD setup & static friction.
11-30-2004, 07:16 PM
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Our cars are not making 300 WTQ unless your all-motor or BlueCLS6. Also our cars have a very strong drivetrain.
Plus, our cars handle torque steer fairly well. Much better than the newer chassis(TL) can.
Plus, our cars handle torque steer fairly well. Much better than the newer chassis(TL) can.
11-30-2004, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by mclarenf3387
Our cars are not making 300 WTQ unless your all-motor or BlueCLS6. Also our cars have a very strong drivetrain.
Plus, our cars handle torque steer fairly well. Much better than the newer chassis(TL) can.
Plus, our cars handle torque steer fairly well. Much better than the newer chassis(TL) can.
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11-30-2004, 07:40 PM
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Don't go WOT from a stop and I'm fine. If I get on it too hard... HOP HOP HOP HOP. 
I need to change those bushings that johntypes had done. Supposedly 5 bushings upfront were swaped and he no longer has problems.
I need to change those bushings that johntypes had done. Supposedly 5 bushings upfront were swaped and he no longer has problems.
11-30-2004, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by mclarenf3387
Sorry, I forget about you little monster. Titand19 may be makng that much too. Still a handful vs. thousands of CLs out there.
I'd be happy with 270 wtq
11-30-2004, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by mclarenf3387
Sorry, I forget about you little monster. Titand19 may be makng that much too. Still a handful vs. thousands of CLs out there.
I thought I remember seeing his numbers that high also.
Iwonder what mine #'s are?
11-30-2004, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Don't go WOT from a stop and I'm fine. If I get on it too hard... HOP HOP HOP HOP. I need to change those bushings that johntypes had done. Supposedly 5 bushings upfront were swaped and he no longer has problems.
I need to change those bushings that johntypes had done. Supposedly 5 bushings upfront were swaped and he no longer has problems.He also had Garage Kwai make custom wheel hop(torque) bars for him. I talked to them and they said they could make me a set for roughly 200.
11-30-2004, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by brian6speed
He also had Garage Kwai make custom wheel hop(torque) bars for him. I talked to them and they said they could make me a set for roughly 200.
I'll be calling them tomorrow to see what's up.
11-30-2004, 09:34 PM
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11-30-2004, 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Don't go WOT from a stop and I'm fine. If I get on it too hard... HOP HOP HOP HOP. I need to change those bushings that johntypes had done. Supposedly 5 bushings upfront were swaped and he no longer has problems.
He also had Garage Kwai make custom wheel hop(torque) bars for him. I talked to them and they said they could make me a set for roughly 200.
YES, I AGREE BUT WHEN U RACING ANOTHER, THE DEFAULT OPTION SEEMS TO GO ALL OUT.
and please what do i hear about this Garage Kwai ?
Do they have a phone no. or a website or something an address might help, pls let me/us know
Originally Posted by mrsteve
Don't go WOT from a stop and I'm fine. If I get on it too hard... HOP HOP HOP HOP. I need to change those bushings that johntypes had done. Supposedly 5 bushings upfront were swaped and he no longer has problems.
He also had Garage Kwai make custom wheel hop(torque) bars for him. I talked to them and they said they could make me a set for roughly 200.
YES, I AGREE BUT WHEN U RACING ANOTHER, THE DEFAULT OPTION SEEMS TO GO ALL OUT.
and please what do i hear about this Garage Kwai ?
Do they have a phone no. or a website or something an address might help, pls let me/us know
12-01-2004, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by scalbert
You don't stand on it from a stop or low speed. You learn to exercise throttle control.
However if you try going WOT from a dead stop in a S/C CL it can be very scary.
12-01-2004, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by poisx7
Do they have a phone no. or a website or something an address might help, pls let me/us know
553 Arthur Ave. Arlington Heights, IL 60005
12-01-2004, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Sweet. I'll be calling them later today.
EDIT: Do they make axles for the Accord already? I wonder if they would fit the CL-S.
EDIT: Do they make axles for the Accord already? I wonder if they would fit the CL-S.
As far as CLS fitment I dont see why not
12-01-2004, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by poisx7
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Don't go WOT from a stop and I'm fine. If I get on it too hard... HOP HOP HOP HOP. I need to change those bushings that johntypes had done. Supposedly 5 bushings upfront were swaped and he no longer has problems.
He also had Garage Kwai make custom wheel hop(torque) bars for him. I talked to them and they said they could make me a set for roughly 200.
YES, I AGREE BUT WHEN U RACING ANOTHER, THE DEFAULT OPTION SEEMS TO GO ALL OUT.
and please what do i hear about this Garage Kwai ?
Do they have a phone no. or a website or something an address might help, pls let me/us know
Originally Posted by mrsteve
Don't go WOT from a stop and I'm fine. If I get on it too hard... HOP HOP HOP HOP. I need to change those bushings that johntypes had done. Supposedly 5 bushings upfront were swaped and he no longer has problems.
He also had Garage Kwai make custom wheel hop(torque) bars for him. I talked to them and they said they could make me a set for roughly 200.
YES, I AGREE BUT WHEN U RACING ANOTHER, THE DEFAULT OPTION SEEMS TO GO ALL OUT.
and please what do i hear about this Garage Kwai ?
Do they have a phone no. or a website or something an address might help, pls let me/us know
Nobody, except AWD cars and those running slicks, go ALL OUT from a stop. As soon as you've got a car w/ decent power you always have to exercise some degree of throttle control. Once you're rolling, then it's pedal to the floor.
Torque steer is managable with my setup. It really only pulls when accelerating hard out of a turn.
12-01-2004, 12:46 PM
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BTW, at the track I've NEVER experienced wheel hop or torque steer. Going straight on a flat surface is ideal. Those little valleys and peaks in the road really magnify the amount of torque steer one feels.
12-01-2004, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Titand19
freakin mclaren leaving me out
Never knew the full #s on your turbo set-up.
Originally Posted by mclarenf3387
Sorry, I forget about you little monster. Titand19 may be makng that much too. Still a handful vs. thousands of CLs out there.
Originally Posted by Seattle Cl-S
Nobody, except AWD cars and those running slicks, go ALL OUT from a stop. As soon as you've got a car w/ decent power you always have to exercise some degree of throttle control. Once you're rolling, then it's pedal to the floor.
Torque steer is managable with my setup. It really only pulls when accelerating hard out of a turn.
Torque steer is managable with my setup. It really only pulls when accelerating hard out of a turn.
RWD cars experience the same thing, except for torque steer. They have the advatage of weight transfer, but will still spin and hop the wheels.
And I don't exactly put down tons of power(stck CL-P), but even when autocrossing, when I step on it out of the turns, the car doesn't torque steer. But then again I ain't pttin down 300 WTQ
12-01-2004, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by F900
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At the 5000RPM mark, where it increases alot of HP , it there where the VTEC kicks in.....
Just curious
Thanks
At the 5000RPM mark, where it increases alot of HP , it there where the VTEC kicks in.....
Just curious
Thanks
12-01-2004, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
The number is always busy
Lots of people call him plus the shop is busy with dynos, 3 Civic swaps, 240sx with SR20DET and mine
He said the best time to reach him after 4pm CST.
12-01-2004, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Red-CL
What about mattg?
needs a little more fine tuning though.
is it bad when the vacuum line running from the zex controller to the fpr explodes from pressure?
12-02-2004, 11:25 AM
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Last year at the track six of us weighted in 3 CLS weighted in at 3490 # i was 3540 diffrance in weight were the drivers who were 50# lighter then me the TLS weigthed th same as me 3540# and the driver was also 50# ligthter then me 1 Accord -03 wt 3365 I think if you go to a weight station you will see I am wright.
John
Last year at the track six of us weighted in 3 CLS weighted in at 3490 # i was 3540 diffrance in weight were the drivers who were 50# lighter then me the TLS weigthed th same as me 3540# and the driver was also 50# ligthter then me 1 Accord -03 wt 3365 I think if you go to a weight station you will see I am wright.
John
12-02-2004, 06:26 PM
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Hey John remember when I went to Byron with you and Astro boy and a few of the accord guys. My car with me in it weighed 3785lbs. At the time I had 3/4 of a tank and I weigh 160lbs. Now I keep the spare out so i'nm probably down to 3745.
Hey 02AV6, was your car silver at one time. When I was at garage kwai getting dyno runs this summer there was a silver accord w/sc and was waiting for a cl-s head swap + more work? Benson and the boys are really cool over there.
Hey 02AV6, was your car silver at one time. When I was at garage kwai getting dyno runs this summer there was a silver accord w/sc and was waiting for a cl-s head swap + more work? Benson and the boys are really cool over there.